@MatNuclear I have no idea if that’s true and you’re not citing any credible source. Regardless, that doesn’t mean you can ethnically cleanse them right?
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Moderate Mike
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Moderate Mike
@MMike206335
Jews and Palestinian are entitled to live in the Holy Land. I recognize 🇮🇱 and 🇵🇸.If you don’t accept 🇵🇸 , I’ll remind you Abe was from Iraq 🇵🇸☮️🇮🇱 ☦️
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The Palestinian myth is yet again debunked!
In 1919, 85% said they would prefer a Greater Syria over an independent separate Palestinian state.
So much for "Greater Israel", they were calling for a Greater Syria.
Only 1% of Arabs wanted a separate Palestinian state.
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@russellfranks @HonestReporting But you do not mention all the Israeli terrorism, nor that Palestinians wanted a secular country, that they were not consulted while Zionists were, nor massacres and propaganda disseminated which caused them to flee. My father fled because he was told the Zionists were coming
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The Nakba is usually framed as a story of Palestinian displacement, ethnic cleansing, and expulsion. (@HonestReporting many thanks)
But the original meaning was different.
The word “Nakba” was used in 1948 by Syrian historian Constantin Zureiq to describe the catastrophe of the Arab world’s failed attempt to destroy the newly re-established Jewish state.
The catastrophe was not that Jews accepted partition. It was that Arab leaders rejected it, launched a war, and lost.
Yes, many Arabs were displaced in the war.* But so were Jews. And while Israel accepted the UN Partition Plan, every Arab state and the Arab leadership of Palestine rejected it.
By the end of the war, Israel survived. Egypt controlled Gaza. Jordan seized the West Bank. And the Palestinian state that could have existed under the 1947 UN plan never came into being.
That was a catastrophe. But not the one usually told.
It was a catastrophe made by the leaders who chose war over coexistence.
*At the time, they were generally referred to as Arabs. We are using the term Palestinian here for clarity, but it was not the common term used to describe them during the period of the Nakba.
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@sunmoonbuffalo @aaronjmate Good chat. Thanks! I’m Palestinian. I’m nice. I don’t hate Jews. I’m cool. I could be your friend. 😂😜
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@sunmoonbuffalo @aaronjmate You can’t force them to new country just to take their land. I would be ok with a demilitarized country with true sovereignty. That’s not one of the sticking points. And yes Hamas has to go. But same time, then Israel has to resolve else a new Hamas will be born no doubt.
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In Israel itself there are 2 million Arab-Palestinians. This would not be allowed in any other mideast country. 99.7% of the mideast is owned by Palestinians-Arabs-Muslims. Gaza should exist similar to a Indian reservation in the USA. When you say Palestine, then who leads it? Some Hamas type? Most Palestinians in Israel have more rights than they would have in Saudi Arabia Yemen Iran. Israel would accept Gaza as their own country if there were no wespons there, no tunnels, no Iran proxy. They would want that as it won’t dilute the vote. There is no reason any mideast country should not accept Gazans if they hate Israel. Why do you need Palestine, when the people can live better within Israel? Israel probably does not want them voting, as when they get majority whos knows what they will vote for. Just my opinion. Israel feeds itself. Gaza produces some food, but the area is to small to support 2.2 million people. Thus it needs permanent UN food aid for 80% of its population.
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@sunmoonbuffalo @aaronjmate Ya know why so many desperate people: 1) military expulsion from villages, massacres, destruction of villages; fled there under Egypt protection then 🇮🇱 locked the door 2) they fuck a lot cuz they’re bored living under Apartheid 3) not allowed to have an economy 4)half pop <18
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@sunmoonbuffalo @aaronjmate I don’t care about any other country only about mine. Is that so bad? Do you think Peruvians care about Chileans if people were to say well there’s a lot of you speak Spanish so stop crying because we take one country. Just go to another one. You’re all the same. Think about that
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@Mademell @hahussain I’m not a supporter of Hamas neither is the official government of Palestine. Bibi should never have supported Hamas as a means to sow discord (he stated his strategy himself). It came back to bite him. It’s on him.
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@MMike206335 @hahussain That's interesting, but I've never seen an Israeli manifesto that promotes genocide, whereas I've read and heard many genocidal statements against Israel, such as "Death to Israel" chants in street protests. Also in Hamas Charters, Al Husaini's Nazi radio, newspapers.
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In February, the Palestinians published a new constitution with the articles below that mean for Palestine to exist, Israel has to vanish.
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Islam is the official religion of the State of Palestine.
The principles of Islamic Sharia are the primary source of legislation.
Christianity shall have its place in Palestine, and all other religions shall be respected.
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The Arabic language is the official language of the State of Palestine.
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The State of Palestine is... committed to achieving independence, ending the occupation, and guaranteeing the right of the refugees to return in accordance with international resolutions.
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@Mademell @hahussain You don’t need a manifesto to conduct ethnic cleansing; and just because you have a Prime Minister, a capital and a government doesn’t mean you can’t be a terrorist
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@Jasfy256 @aziz0nomics @VerminusM 1) PLO is no diff than IRA. It happens 2) they received massive funding but nothing to help succeed. No leaders: Been occupied for thous years. All their young are jailed,continue to live under military occup; barely running water/electricity comprd to their occupiers; not simple
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@MMike206335 @aziz0nomics @VerminusM Israel took a terror group: the PLO; negotiated with it and gave it legitimacy,territory, they received massive funding & intl backing to built the Palestinian future. That gamble from Israeli politician was repaid in blood, more demands, more corruption & 0 leadership.
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@weralldust @Palestinia12961 @Betty00713 What they did was not right. But what would you have done, eh? This is the question that’s very scary to ask and uncomfortable to answer.
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@Palestinia12961 @Betty00713 Really?
Go read the founding charters of the PLO and Hamas.
It was never about territory, it was about ethnic cleansing of Jews.
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@X7dsMu @Palestinia12961 @Betty00713 You don’t want to accept the fact that the PA and mainstream Palestinians want to live in peace because it ruins your story and your justification for what you do to them
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@Palestinia12961 @Betty00713 It was not something artificial. It was primal and inherent within the religion and culture of his adherents. A different leader might have moved things in a different direction, but Husseni had wide appeal of the masses. Even today, which Arab leaders talk about coexistence?
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@aburak @Palestinia12961 @Betty00713 That’s not the issue. You could have lived there. It’s what you did when you got there. And especially the fact that you have this crazy idea that anyone that claims to be a Jewish refugee can come live in total freedom while the original continual inhabitants shit on
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it's a good question. However, most Israelis don't care about it at all. It is almost like the "promise of god" isn't relevant anymore for secular Israelis. It's simply that they could not live anywhere else - pogroms... holocaust... discrimination... anti-semitism. Much before they had any military or power.
So the conclusion was - we need to have our own land. What is the most natural place to go back to? where we lived before... where we had roots... kingdoms... history. Which is btw all proven beyond the bible: Coins, scrolls, archeology etc. Not to mention that a minority of Jews lived there through those 2,000 years.
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@GershyLakier @Palestinia12961 @Betty00713 The Israelis leave it to the government, leaders, Settlers to do that dirty work. But they do it. Maybe not the Rabbis. But it’s done the same.
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@Palestinia12961 @Betty00713 Wait, what? How many rabbis preach war against Palestinians or Arabs as religious duty? And then how many sheikhs and Islamist leaders preach war as a religious fight against Israelis, and Jews? How could you possibly believe Israel made this a religious war?
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@Betty00713 @Palestinia12961 Wrong Asshat. Go study your facts before spewing your mindless algorithm fed talking points. Palestinians wanted a secular State. In fact even after with Arafat and Fatah. They are secularists. Not Islamists.
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@Palestinia12961 It's the opposite habibi!
The so-called "Palestinian cause" has never been about building a Palestinian state, but only about destroying the State of Israel and exterminating the Jews.... to please Allah!
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@Palestinia12961 @Betty00713 In fact, the original leaders of Palestinians wanted a secular State. This was denied by Zionists and many other Arab countries. This is not the fault of Palestinians. Every Arab country and Zionists wanted to gain at the expense of the inhabitants
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@Betty00713 Israel made it religious one.
For us it was always territorial.
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@CBHeresy Except you are totally oversimplifying the matter for propaganda.
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The Palestinians deserved to be expelled.
The UN partition plan—which the Zionist leaders accepted—would have given Arabs and Jews separate states, but the Arabs rejected it, leading to a series of wars, which the Arabs repeatedly lost.
A historical FAFO moment.
Mayor Zohran Kwame Mamdani@NYCMayor
Today marks Nakba Day, an annual day of remembrance to commemorate the expulsion of more than 700,000 Palestinians between 1947 and 1949 during the creation of the State of Israel and the year that followed. Inea is a New Yorker and a Nakba survivor. She shared her story with us — one of home, tradition and memory over generations.
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@Noya138 @AlonLeeGreen In US they call them illegal migrants and they wish to eradicate them. Yes the same Americans strongly support the settlers occupying all land possible in Israel/Palestine. To them it is a war against Arabs and Muslims.
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@AlonLeeGreen האלימות של המתנחלים הקיצוניים היא הסרטן האמיתי מבפנים. הם לא 'מתנחלים' הם טרוריסטים שעושים טיהור אתני, הורסים שלום ומסכנים את כולנו. הפלסטינים לא האויב העיקרי הג'יהאדיסטים היהודים האלה הסכנה האמיתית.
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חלקאי פלסטיני בגיל של אבא שלכם סירב להתפנות מאדמתו, לדרישת המתנחל. המתנחל החמוש כפת אותו וכיסה את עיניו. עונש. החיילים, כפי שניתן לראות בסוף הסרטון, עומדים שם ומסתכלים, שומרים על המתנחל. עוד יום בגדה המערבית.
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@francescabraun1 @BoazMerari40307 @AlonLeeGreen Are you supporting the Palestinian or the Terrorist Settler?
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@sunmoonbuffalo @aaronjmate My point is: I say Palestine should exist next to Israel and you come back with Palestine shouldn’t exist because you don’t accept Israel. And so the circular false arguments continue. Let’s try again. I believe in a sovereign Palestine next to Sovereign Israel. Do you accept?
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@sunmoonbuffalo @aaronjmate To answer your question, Religion is one of the most important thing in my life. But no I don’t believe ANY nation should be religious based. So out with the scam Sheiks and Ayotollahs as well. But that’s not my point. It exists and I’m not changing that. Israel included
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