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Kyle Johnson

@OrigensAdvocate

"The true soldiers of Christ must always be prepared to do battle for the truth, and must never, so far as lies with them, allow false convictions to creep in."

Idaho, USA Katılım Ekim 2021
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Kyle Johnson
Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
"It is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things... is a slothful and not a wise servant... Verily I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of their own free will." D&C 58:26-27
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@OrigensAdvocate @LDS_Dems He’s not the one being obtuse. You think that his point is valid because it has a quasi-political sentiment at the end with the whole infinite immigrants thing. What he’s saying is “I don’t like immigrants, therefore I don’t care if they’re harmed, and I will pay extra for that”
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Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence.
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Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
@ZoeInTheory @LDS_Dems You got it! His point, as you just described, is that he believes the damage Trump is doing is less severe than the damage he thinks the left would do. I'm not saying it's a good point, but rather than lie about his motivations, address what he actually said.
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@OrigensAdvocate @LDS_Dems Then what point IS he making? He's literally describing two concrete, bad options and stating that he would prefer those options to two things that he made up and literally will not ever happen.
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Cam Higby 🇺🇸
Cam Higby 🇺🇸@camhigby·
What’s more likely? 1.) She doesn’t know anything about guns 2.) She doesn’t know how to read
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Brad Witbeck@BradWitbeck·
Do you create more than you complain? If not, fix it. It's not good for your soul.
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Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
@LDS_Dems Don't be obtuse. You make some good points against MAGA, so I know you are smarter than this.
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Dem Saints
Dem Saints@LDS_Dems·
@OrigensAdvocate That is exactly the point he is making. He doesn't mind personal pain as long as people he doesn't like suffer
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Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
@DennisBowden18 I've read the letter. He acknowledged that BY taught it. He said BY was wrong. He did not say members should not find out. On the contrary, "this does not mean individuals should not do research or make discoveries" He did say members should not teach these ideas as true.
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Dennis Bowden
Dennis Bowden@DennisBowden18·
@OrigensAdvocate In private correspondence with Eugene England, Elder McConkie did a few things: - Acknowledged that BY taught it - Said it was important that members not find out - Said that BY was wrong Current apologists typically say none but the last of this matters.
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Dennis Bowden
Dennis Bowden@DennisBowden18·
Exmos: Brigham Young taught heresies! Mormon apologists decades ago: Liar! He did no such thing! Mormon apologists today: Meh... those heresies weren't canonized... yawn... Exmos: ????
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Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
@ColonelMike80 @stackerco Fortunately, in the modern age, finding records of deeper discussions is easier than ever. I think it is the responsibility of the members who are ready for the meat to seek it out themselves.
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Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
@ColonelMike80 @stackerco I'm a younger lifelong member, but I agree. I love reading older talks because they are so much deeper. I think as the church has accelerated it's growth, especially in less educated areas of the world, public addresses have has to stick to the gentler milk of the gospel.
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stacker
stacker@stackerco·
If you're Mormon and under 30, don't lecture people on the church, church history, apologetics or anything else. You grew up in an entirely different religion and are ignorant to what we experienced and to the church's past in general. Thank you for your understanding.
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These younger Mormon apologists are coming from a completely different environment. A different Mormonism really. They’ve grown up shaped inside apologetics and polemics, so these reinterpretations feel normal to them. They haven’t really experienced lived Mormonism as it was, what you might call Bruce R. McConkie Mormonism of certainty and hard claims. They haven’t lived through the church calling things anti Mormon that turned out to be real history. Instead, they’ve inherited something thinner, more flexible, more abstract, more surface level where they can ignore deep doctrines and past teachings and prophets that teach things they don’t like. And that’s all they know. They are trained to creatively resolve problems instead of confronting them. Their informative years were based on “doubt your doubts” while we were raised with Hugh B Browns’ “We must be willing to give up cherished beliefs if evidence and truth require it.” So when contradictions show up, the instinct isn’t to question the system like it was for many of us Gen Xers. Their instinct is to reframe it. That’s what they believe is the best way to find truth. The Stick of Joseph podcast is an example. A couple guys in their 20s. If you watched that interview with John Dehlin, it’s hard to miss the combination: confidence without context and arrogance. But it’s not just indoctrination. This social media thing has given them more incentive. In-group platitudes and shallow statements get likes and views and praise. Their identity, platform, and status are tied to defending the system so their reasoning is motivated, not neutral. They haven’t had a chance to think for themselves. And now with social they cannot. You can see these apologetics have changed from guys like Hugh Nibley to apologetics that just try to soften problems. Ward Radio, Stick of Joseph, all these shows have zero depth. They’ve shifted from Hugh Nibley claims to how do we create ambiguity so anything could be allowed to be true? It’s the only way to survive modern scrutiny, by making everything unfalsifiable. So now they’re arrogant. They think they’ve figured it out better than us old guys. Because they’re “more nuanced” and “intellectually mature” than the past generations. They don’t get caught up in minor things like polygamy, race in the priesthood, anachronisms, Book of Abraham translations like us old idiots do. And it’s our fault we didn’t research this stuff and just believed the church when we were growing up. Really the generations have grown up in entirely different religions and cultures. And while we may have been trained to think more black and white, the younger generation has been trained against thinking critically.

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Jesse Fox
Jesse Fox@jesse_k_fox·
Why do you really live your faith? Be honest 😬
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Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
@colonelkbs Meh. Stacker makes good points some days. Other days (like today) he's an incoherent mess. I don't mind seeing his posts.
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Kyle Johnson
Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
We are coming down to the wire with Iran. We were promised an operation that only lasts a few weeks. If Trump can successfully wrap this up soon, it will be one of the greatest foreign policy victories in history. If it drags on much longer, it will destroy his administration.
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Kyle Johnson
Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
@jaredadairbell I kinda wish we still had the long 6 hour sessions. Maybe we could have just chopped them into sections when going for the dead.
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Jared Bell
Jared Bell@jaredadairbell·
I miss 3 hr temple endowment sessions
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Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
@DennisBowden18 Arguing that we misunderstand what he meant is not the same as saying he never said it. And again, many current apologists make the very same argument today. McConkie, on at least one occasion, also acknowledged the possibility that Brigham was simply wrong.
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Dennis Bowden
Dennis Bowden@DennisBowden18·
@OrigensAdvocate True enough. It's also true that church leaders spent effort trying to convince members that BY didn't teach Adam God as was understood by most, i.e. that Adam was an Exalted Man, and was the Father of our spirits too, including Jesus.
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Kyle Johnson
Kyle Johnson@OrigensAdvocate·
@cam182411 Taking God at his word when he tells us about base reality is still metaphysics. Seeking to understand the Gospel, or anything fundamental, is to enguage in philosophy. You can certainly make the argument that we have fewer holes in our philosophy or theology.
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Cam ⊙
Cam ⊙@cam182411·
I understand, but why can’t we just take God’s word for it? What’s the point of trying to understand base reality? That effort is much better spent trying to live the gospel. My point is that in many ways we don’t need philosophy to bridge gaps in our theology like other religions do.
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Cam ⊙
Cam ⊙@cam182411·
The theology of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the most cohesive of all religions. No philosophy, metaphysics, or “mysteries” needed.
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