People who think they are good enough by working inside God’s grace are under a curse. Pride blinds them so they cannot see that it is Christ’s perfect obedience not their own that gives them the right to the tree of life and entrance into the city
We keep the commandments because we trust in God’s promises. If you don’t you’re going to be judged by your deeds.
Literally relying on your own works. Ironic how Christians spin it around and tell you you’re relying on your works when you keep His commands.
@Annette782220@nathancoxey We are empowered by the spirit of God to be Christ like. So to be Christ like is possible for believers through redemption and sactification. Christ commands to love God and your neighbors. He said to forgive. Believers can obey his commandments because he empowers them to.
@nathancoxey We cannot keep the commandments, that’s the whole point. If we think we can, we have sinned already by thinking ourself as good as God. There is one good bu God. We have to have a Redeemer. Our redeemer is Christ.
@parodyqueen@nathancoxey Believers are righteous in Jesus and he is righteous in us. He lives through us and empowers our actions to be like him. The life we live in Christ that aligns to his will is also part of grace.
Imagine getting to heaven and being rejected because you thought your works were earning you heaven instead of just trusting in Jesus and what he did for you.
It is good to give food and clothes to poor people, but that will only satisfy them for the moment.
I'm a firm believer that preaching the gospel to a poor person is better than anything you can ever offer them. Most people are not poor because of time and chance, or situations, most people are poor because they are fighting terrible demons.
Things like addiction, lust and depression can wretch someone's life and keep them poor. Preaching the gospel of redemption to them might not get them out of poverty, but it'll set them free, and they'll start living for something greater.
Don't get me wrong, accepting Jesus doesn't mean no poverty, but knowing who you are and finding your purpose in Christ can open up amazing doors and totally set you free.
"God is all-loving and all-powerful"
Animals get eaten alive by parasites while conscious.
Children get bone cancer for no reason.
Tsunamis kill 300,000 in one day.
But God was busy saving your parking spot.
The "free will" defense doesn't explain animal suffering. Neither does "mysterious ways."
Scripture never says 'God gives us a choice' to be born again. John 1:13 explicitly states that we are born 'not of the will of man, but of God.'
Faith isn't a human work you perform to activate the Cross - it’s the gift God gives through Grace so no man can boast (Eph 2:8).
And some people, like the thief on the cross, are given faith at the end of their lives, with zero time to clean up, maintain their faith, or manage their standing. In their dying breath, the gift of faith is given to them.
Grace isn't a menu to shop from - it's a sovereign act of God to reclaim all of the shattered reflections of Himself.
@ClintRegert@5SolasMissy Being born again happens by faith. God gives us a choice. We are saved by what Christ did and by our faith in him. You have to believe in him to be saved, or else the cross doesn't apply to you. John 3:18
So, Jesus dying on the cross is just a static proposal waiting in the air.
The cross accomplished nothing on its own until a human being steps up, exercises their independent power, and validates it by "accepting" it.
The cross is the gift sitting under the tree.
If Jesus dying on the cross isn't enough until you perform the act of accepting it, then your 'accepting' is the final condition for salvation. That makes your action the decisive key, not the cross.
Jesus called it being 'born again.'
Did you choose to birth yourself the first time? Did you give yourself physical life? If you had zero say in your first birth, what makes you think you're in the driver's seat for your second?
To take a phrase explicitly designed to illustrate total human passivity and turn it into a human choice - a decision you initiate, execute, and maintain - completely guts the analogy.
@ClintRegert@5SolasMissy I don't agree that believing in Christ is boasting because it's Jesus who died on the cross for us. I do believe that one needs to accept Jesus to be saved.
@ReturnIIJesus@5SolasMissy If faith is the gift of God so no one can boast, then even your ability to believe again was His doing, not your contribution.
It's Jesus 100%
Not:
Jesus 99% + you 1%
@ClintRegert@5SolasMissy The hero was Jesus who led me back. Which is what I wrote. I had to believe in him. Which is what I followed with. Are we not saved by grace through faith in Christ?
@ReturnIIJesus@5SolasMissy Notice how in your story, Jesus seeking you out takes a backseat to you making the decision.
The hero of the story always ends up being 'I'
Refer to line 1 of this whole thread.
@ReturnIIJesus@5SolasMissy So, Jesus didn't leave you in apostasy and personally brought you back... almost like God's faithfulness was bigger than your unfaithfulness?