Tim Lloyd

@electrophile22 @ProfMickWilson There will be 20 million EVs made this year.

@TimLloydArts @ProfMickWilson I have never seen that calculation. However there used to me more EVs than now

@TimLloydArts @ProfMickWilson You are correct in at least the market does trump actual costs of technology- so if baseload is slow to adjust the only rapid change source is gasif sudden new demand. Wind could possibly do it but at moment issue with 50MHz stability.

@pm_mcd @_JohnMerchant @AdrianHavers It's OK to assume that nuclear didn't help because there was a black out. Assuming it's ok to assume there was a blackout, of course.

@TimLloydArts @_JohnMerchant @AdrianHavers So, it’s ok to infer that nuclear didn’t help? 😂

At the moment in South Australia almost all our electricity is coming from gas fired turbines or brown coal from Victoria. The billions we've spent on wind turbines are wasted, they don't provide power when needed - expensive gas is providing our power at most peak times:

@DarrinADurant @CxuAsx @CEGCleanEnergy @climatecouncil @SmartEnergyCncl I like the idea that like Schrodinger's cat, the LNP may be pro nuclear or may not be pro nuclear. At present it exists in both states. Will it be a dead cat or a live cat inside the magic box? This is a great test of authenticity vs uncertainty. Or Freud meets Heisenberg.

@CxuAsx @CEGCleanEnergy @climatecouncil @SmartEnergyCncl Nuke Bros claim civilization will end unless we build reactors, all the while swanning with climate deniers to push anti-renewables memes and disinformation, but you think the big issue is your strained interpretation of anti-nukes showing cooling tower images?

Its embarrassing @CEGCleanEnergy, but down in #Australia we are subject to this kind of misleading propaganda regularly. We have climate organisations such as @climatecouncil and @SmartEnergyCncl who refuse to support nuclear and who regularly post images of cooling towers in their "literature" to evoke emotional responses...

@TomPlayford3 No It doesn't mean that all ! SA has 3.4 GW of gas generation now ,more than enough to meet demand . On top of that you have another 1 GW of storage which will double next year .

@GeoffWilsonWAM @AustralianLabor @PhillipCoorey @JEChalmers @spenderallegra I think it is a great idea ! Why should you be able to avoid tax for the wealthiest of your clients ? Closing a loophole like this is common sense . I have no problem with you maximising their returns , but those on incomes under $100 k should not have to subsidise them !

@_JohnMerchant @pm_mcd @AdrianHavers Seems some observers know more about Spain than the Spanish do! So they were no use? I'll wait to find out the actual rather than theoretical causes thanks.

@pm_mcd @TimLloydArts @AdrianHavers We know what happened with the nuclear plants, as soon as they lost grid power they automatically shut down as a safety measure

@SpornyD Solar and wind are the building blocks. Getting the settings right is the challenge. A DOGE like the US? That's the one that accidentally sacked all their air controllers. Let's not go there.

@TimLloydArts Yes, questions like why are we fudging data and not having bipartisan discussions on what is achievable. Solar and Wind will not save us and not totally environmental friendly either. Only a DOGE would find where the true interests lie, and it ain't Australians!

@pm_mcd @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant Spain's nuclear power plants don't seem to have helped. Let's wait and see what happened.

@TimLloydArts @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant Also Spain and Portugal What did that cost? 😂 Keep it up Tim

@pm_mcd @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant Let me know the cheaper new nuclear grids. Nations with big renewables grids are in transition. It's an entirely new technology. However, power prices are cheaper in Portugal and Spain, the countries with most renewables, than the rest of Europe.

@TimLloydArts @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant Um take a look around at world If you can point to a low retails price wind solar grid it would be appreciated I can point to a large number of cheaper new nuclear grids Shall we compare?

@Snarky_gnome @pm_mcd @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant Similar to what? They have large populations relative to their grid and won't see such a difference.

@TimLloydArts @pm_mcd @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant A reasonable hypothesis. There is logic there. By that measure, I assume you don’t think VIC & NSW will see similar retail price increases as they transition to lower wholesale cost VRE generation?

@pm_mcd @Snarky_gnome @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant Big State. The grid is very large in comparison to the small population it serves. It has had a heavy duty grid since the 1950s when Tom Playford, the other one, built the Port Augusta power station 300km from Adelaide.

@TimLloydArts @Snarky_gnome @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant @TomPlayford3 Why do we have a large grid? Similar size and distribution when we had cheap power

@pm_mcd @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant Yes. Have you noticed that the trend for rates, insurance, gas, water, private medical and everything else is up? Is it up more than it was going to be with coal fired power? No. With new nuclear? Definitely not.

@TimLloydArts @TomPlayford3 @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant The trend for retail is up

@TomPlayford3 @SpornyD There is no cheaper new source of power. New coal, new gas, and especially new nuclear 15 or 20 years down the track, don't measure up.

@SpornyD @TimLloydArts Take away the subsidies and they aren't viable.

@TomPlayford3 @pm_mcd @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant SA is biggest in renewables because we used our existing large power network. Most SA wind and solar farms attach to the 300km grid created for the Port Augusta coal fired power plant. Other States except Qld did not have that advantage. Qld's penny hasn't dropped.

@pm_mcd @TimLloydArts @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant Simple answer is the network is much bigger to accommodate the incorporation of solar and wind plants that are all over the place - whereas before all the HV lines had to cover was the coal and gas plants providing the power. Bigger network = much more expensive to maintain.

@pm_mcd @TomPlayford3 @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant SA wholesale prices frequently hit $5000/MW. However, it is the average power price that is usually lower in SA than NSW and Qld. These high power moments are more than offset by the advantages of cheap excess renewables power. The trend is down, not up.

@TomPlayford3 @TimLloydArts @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant Oh, so despite cheaper wholesale at times (not this morning at $250/mwh), SAs retail price is higher due to the additional network needed for renewables! It’s fun watching people like Tim dancing around this obvious and inconvenient outcome What a gas (this morning)!

@TomPlayford3 @pm_mcd @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant It's a problem that needs fixing. One way is to create VPPs so cheap excess power from rooftop solar feeds the grid locally. Community batteries help remove peak power demand at dawn and dusk. Decentralised systems like these have all sorts of advantages.

@pm_mcd @TimLloydArts @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant It's a wealth transfer directly from the working poor to the rich who can afford to install the heavily subsidised panels and batteries -

@pm_mcd @TomPlayford3 @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant Rooftop solar gives cheap power "behind the meter". It is now such a large, uncharted part of our power system that SA's measurable power use is in steady decline since 2017. You can put the inequity down to a privatised power system in need of some serious regulatory surgery.

@TomPlayford3 @TimLloydArts @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant The “I don’t pay those high rate” Or “I pay nothing”, and “my business gets power very cheap” Also means those network costs are paid by those least able to afford it, renters, the poor and vulnerable. Yet progressives cheer this on. It’s odd.

@pm_mcd @TomPlayford3 @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant It's worse than that. The 44c/kw feed in tariff in SA from the 2010 era runs out in 2028. Early adopters have received pay, not bills, for more than a decade. Labor introduced a 5-year 44c subsidy in 2008 but the Liberals extended it to 20 years.

@Snarky_gnome @pm_mcd @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant @TomPlayford3 My little analogy: If you don't have the means to stop avian flu you will be wiped out. Expensive infrastructure in a large grid serving a small population is why we have a retail price problem, not a renewables energy problem.

@TimLloydArts @pm_mcd @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant @TomPlayford3 Low wholesale prices don’t benefit consumers if they’re only enabled by higher costs elsewhere. As per my favourite analogy, my little flock of chooks produce eggs at about $2.40/dzn if you excluded the cost of the infrastructure to feed, water & house them.

@pm_mcd @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant @TomPlayford3 That was in the good ol' government-owned days. Remember 1999, when SA's power and grid was privatised because we would all get cheaper power?

@TimLloydArts @AdrianHavers @_JohnMerchant @TomPlayford3 Why do we have more network costs? (Note we used to have lowest priced retail on mainland)