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@Acts17David @GloveAcademia If it’s so clear, then why does Protestantism have thousands of divided denominations?
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@GloveAcademia Notice that he's MOCKING the Bible because HUMAN BEINGS don't always come away from it with the same doctrines. So the solution is to go to HUMAN BEINGS and ask for doctrines, because the Bible is so hopelessly unclear it can't be trusted.
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It's weird how they think the Bible is so hopelessly unclear and so thoroughly confusing that it can't be understood without a church telling you what it means. Why is the church so clear but the Bible so unclear?
Made by Jimbob@ByJimbob
Protestant Archeologist
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@mflambert @Acts17David What’s the distinction between orthobro and 50yr old orthodox Christian?
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@Acts17David I'm not an orthobro but I am a 50yr old Orthodox Christian
I'll watch :)
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ATTENTION ORTHOBROS:
Since you insist we're grifters unless we debate "the true church," I'll continue my debate preparation tonight. I'll be LIVE with Protestant scholar Dr. Tony Costa at 8pm ET, discussing the claims of Eastern Orthodoxy. Let me know in the chat if Dr. Costa is wrong about anything he says.
youtube.com/live/hyAi-LIqm…

YouTube
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Yeah, also read the sacred scriptures, also hear his voice, also have the Holy Spirit. Who am I to speak for God? A Watchmen on the walls of Jerusalem, God's child, His special possession, set apart, consecrated for the work of the Lord. A royal priesthood, a Holy nation, chosen as a humble servant in the Kingdom of God. That's who I am.
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And just like that another OrthoBro blocked me. This man has been on all my posts trying to refute me left, right and center.
Having an MA does not immunize you from truth and being wise in your own mind is worthless.
I Corinthians 1:26-31 NKJV
[26] For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. [27] But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; [28] and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, [29] that no flesh should glory in His presence. [30] But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— [31] that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
-StayFocused
#Watchman #Apologetics #Wisdom #Bible #Jesus #Christianity #WatchmansKeep

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If Jesus said "thou shalt not murder" I'm pretty sure I don't need to be part of the "one true church" to understand what that means. I'm sure Devil worshippers can even understand that.
We know the teachings of Jesus because we have his writings contained in our book 🤷🏽
Ethan@TheEthanExpress
@Eli_StayFocused @Noel23949535491 You don't know the teachings of Jesus because you don't know those he taught.
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@Eli_StayFocused @TheEthanExpress When have I strayed from my original premise? I haven’t. Don’t need to. You’re low tier, no substance.
GIF
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@We_Shell_Sea @TheEthanExpress You should stick to your original premise that you know nothing, never read a Bible in your life and don't even own one. That way everyone here knows you're just a troll
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@Eli_StayFocused @TheEthanExpress You should bite the bullet and stick to the answer you gave me. Assert that you have the Holy Spirit, and assert that your interpretation and understanding of scripture is infallible. That approach fits your self righteous style and performative profile pic. Might make some $
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@We_Shell_Sea @TheEthanExpress Your lack of logic is a fallacy
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@Eli_StayFocused @TheEthanExpress Your argument is a parts-whole fallacy
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@TheEthanExpress So tell me, what is the whole truth about "thou shalt not murder" that people outside the church can't understand?
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@theThinkInst Is your interpretation and understanding of scripture infallible? If not, how do you know that you have the true interpretation and understanding?
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@Eli_StayFocused Correct, you asserted that you have the Holy Spirit. The logical entailment of that claim is that anyone with a different interpretation as you does not have the Holy Spirit. You are the authority according to you. Your message has been received brother, God Bless.
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@We_Shell_Sea Yes, and the foundation behind that belief was that I have the Holy Spirit, which prior to my last answer, that you accepted, I explained to you what the function of said Holy Spirit is.
So no, not cope, just a solidified answer. Thanks for the conversation, God bless 🤝🏼
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Here's almost 6min of Andrew Wilson @paleochristcon grifting for the content dollars on @JPuncut with @Acts17David @HHS3239
I saw this coming before he was even let onto the panel.
Same petty Sea-Lioning troll tactics as always.
Start by portraying yourself as extremely genuine, feign innocence, feign curiosity (I'm just asking, I'm just curious) act like you don't know what words mean, but keep demanding that everyone define their terms. Frame every question in bad faith never intending to have an honest conversation from the start. Attempting to see how much you can agitate and exhaust the patience of your opponents.
It's on Andrew's Bio, he's just in it for the Bloodsport and the debate. He's in it for the GRIFT That's all.
Couldn't be me. -StayFocused
#Watchman #Apologetics #Bible #Debate #Jesus #Christianity #WatchmansKeep
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@Eli_StayFocused That’s all cope and doesn’t address anything. You’re just presupposing that you have infallible knowledge. My question is, and has been, how do you know? Your answer was that you believe that your interpretation of scripture is infallible. I accepted your honest answer.
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Okay cool, "infallible knowledge of God's message would come from God". So guess what, by your own standard of where infallibility knowledge comes from I can SAFELY assume that I am perfectly fine in my understanding and interpretation of scripture because God the Holy Spirit, who is infallible and who promised to lead me into all truth, and convict me of all sin, resides in me and I am His temple. Therefore my trust is in the reality of who God is within me, not in who some clergy are and what they think they can tell me scripture means. They may be right, but they also may be wrong because they did not write the Bible themselves. Simple as that.
So I, without a shadow of a doubt, demonstrated to you why I reject the idea that I cannot understand the scriptures without some other guy coming to tell me what it means. I have the main guy, the Holy Spirit residing in me.
And the only rebuttal you could even have to that is if you question whether I even have the Holy Spirit, which at that point It's here say. Your word against mine.
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@Eli_StayFocused Were you being obtuse though, or were you being deceitful? Bc you were wrong about it morphing from that to the thing we had been discussing throughout our entire conversation, interpretation and understanding of the Bible. Infallible knowledge of Gods message would come from God
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@We_Shell_Sea Okay great, I was being obtuse, but I was right nonetheless. So again, according to your own words, I present myself as an authority, which means I need access to infallibility, do you know where infallible knowledge comes from? It's really a simple answer my guy
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@Eli_StayFocused Ok, fair enough. I see I did miss word my intended statement. You weren’t lying, you were being obtuse. Because following the previous exchange it should be obvious that I was referencing your interpretation and understanding of the Bible.

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Oh now I'm lying? Let me run it back for you with this screenshot. By your very statement, I don't believe in apostolic succession, "which requires me to be infallible" in your own words. So again, what is this source of infallibility that I need to access to interpret well? I'm still waiting on your direct answer

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@Acts17David If I didn’t think a True Church was a logical necessity I’d be interested in exploring that claim before who or what the True Church is. I’m just assuming you don’t believe it’s necessary, I don’t actually know tbh.
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@We_Shell_Sea How? They're making a claim, and I'm asking what their case is for their claim.
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Three questions for Orthodox Christians:
(1) Who would you recommend for a livestream laying out the POSITIVE CASE for the Eastern Orthodox Church being the True Church? (I mean someone who would actually do an effective livestream about this, not someone too busy or too annoying.)
(2) What video/lecture (20-60 minutes) do you think does the best job laying out the positive case for the Eastern Orthodox Church being the True Church?
(3) What book (preferably 150-200 pages, classic or modern) do you think lays out the strongest case for the Eastern Orthodox Church being the True Church?
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@Eli_StayFocused I’ve never said you need to be infallible, now you’re just lying. I’ve asked if your interpretation and understanding of the Bible is infallible. You’re the one who used the phrase “infallible knowledge” and I accepted it as being used in good faith as the same context.
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Ohh, so wait, now you're flip flopping. One moment the statement was that I have to believe that I myself am infallible, then it morphed into me being required to have an infallible understanding, now it morphed again into I need "access" to infallible knowledge.
Okay so where does this infallible knowledge come from that I need access to?
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@Eli_StayFocused If I’ve only read a small portion of the Bible how could I answer that question? I don’t know what most of the Bible says or doesn’t say. Does the word “Bible” appear in the Bible? If you present yourself as an authority I would say yes, you need access to infallible knowledge.
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@We_Shell_Sea All I want is an answer to my question. I don't need the run around. Am I required to have infallible knowledge and interpretation of scripture?
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