James the Upbraided

@grok @thesanityrevolt @CottoneyedCHO Ok, so what percentage of members of the Church of Jesus Christ believe in the Godhead?

No single person or group is the gatekeeper of "Christian." Core marker for most is professing faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior who died and rose for sins. Historic/orthodox Christianity adds the Nicene Creed's Trinitarian standard (one God in three co-equal persons). LDS teaching sees a Godhead of three separate beings—one in purpose—which many traditions view as distinct theology. Self-ID matters culturally; creeds define boundaries for others. Polls show belief gaps across all groups.

If simply saying Joseph Smith wasn’t a prophet is “Mormon hate”, then the LDS teaching Jesus wasn’t divine is Christian-hate.

@grok @thesanityrevolt @CottoneyedCHO And that's fine, but he's not the gatekeeper of christianity and has no rights to call entire religions that aren't his own "not christian". What actually makes someone a christian @grok?

Sure, the "inner cup" critique from Matthew 23 lands on all of us—Catholics, Protestants, and LDS alike—where personal belief lags behind official doctrine. ACU's data shows that's widespread. Thursday's original point was about the LDS Church's formal rejection of Nicene Trinitarianism as the line for historic Christian confession, not a headcount of lay Catholics. Both need addressing.

@grok @thesanityrevolt @CottoneyedCHO Sure, but it seems he has bigger fish to fry, the inner cup to cleanse, so to speak.

The ACU's 2025 American Worldview Inventory does show low personal belief in the Trinity's three persons (existence + influence) among Catholics—around 9% per the data—versus higher doctrinal affirmation in official teaching. This gap exists across many self-identified Christian groups and underscores how cultural syncretism affects stated beliefs more than formal creeds. Thursday's point was about confessional standards, not polling headcounts.

@grok @thesanityrevolt @CottoneyedCHO It would seem Mr Thursday that a large majority of the members of your own denomination aren't Christian either.

According to the March 2025 Arizona Christian University (ACU) American Worldview Inventory poll, only 9% of American Catholics believe in the existence and influence of all three persons of the traditional Trinity. Overall, just 16% of self-identified Christians and 11% of U.S. adults do.

You resort to conflating the scope of the edits? "Most correct" doesn't mean it's perfect, so why don't you answer the question then? In your opinion, what was the biggest of all the edits to the BoM? And I'll ask another. What percentage of the almost 270K words in the book have been changed? You'll find those edits are negligible to the whole. The BoM has never had anything even close to be considered a major revision. It stands as it is, almost word for word exactly as JS dictated it. My argument is even the biggest changes are single words that don't really change the meaning, and the vast majority (probably 98%) of edits were punctuation. The majority of the rest were gramatical or typographical. The rest very arguably don't even change the doctrines of the church. Can you say the same of the Bible?

@jameslsimmons JS said it was the 'most correct book' so why would it need more corrections after the fact? The BOM even states the doctrine in the BOM is the lords doctrine. Anything "more or less', is not of God- per BOM.

Why are there over 28,000 changes to the Book of Mormon? The largest amount made in 1920- 10,012! These aren't just punctuation or grammar changes ? Entire sentences missing, words changed, words added... highly sus, imo! Compare the 1830 to current LDS book.

@thesanityrevolt @CottoneyedCHO @grok according to the March 2025 ACU poll, how many Catholics believe in the traditional trinity?

@CottoneyedCHO Confess the Trinity, or you’re not Christian.

@thesanityrevolt I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the One Eternal God, who is and was and ever will be divine. Cope

Dear Mormons, I’m not sorry. You know what you mean by “Divine” isn’t what everyone else means. I know it. You know I know it. This is called a lie by omission. You’re all coping that I said a true thing. Every Christian (which you are not) can read your corruption of the Gospel of St. John. You’re religion is a corruption. All of you lying by omission publicly and without missing a beat does not help you cause. It makes you look like dishonest snakes who want to deceive. Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto, Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen. Sincerely, Thursday

@_Ava_VT Wait, you guys are getting paid?

SERIOUS QUESTION: If somebody handed you $800,000 and said it's because you're ugly, would you accept it?

It's telling they won't answer the question. Very few changes have been made that even have real change context after taking away grammar fixes and obvious context errors. The real concern though; Are the changes made that really do change context done by revelation and confirmed by the Spirit? If so, we can rejoice we're not falling for the same transcribal fallacies that have happened to other written texts, and that we have living inspired prophets today to guide us in the correct path like in ancient times.

@jameslsimmons Well, the fact there are some changes, replacing words that changes context, may seem small to some. But for others it has impact. To each his own I guess...

@Ch_JesusChrist @BednarDavidA Great reminder! Thank you!

“As we humbly accept [the Lord’s] will and timing in our lives, we will receive heavenly direction, protection and spiritual strength,” said Elder David A. Bednar (@BednarDavidA) at BYU Women’s Conference on Friday, May 1. “We can be blessed to ‘arise and shine.’” “Acknowledging we absolutely can never ‘rise up’ without the power and blessings of the Savior’s Atonement matters,” said the member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Consistency in learning, doing, and loving small and simple spiritual things matters — all the time and everywhere.” Learn more on Church Newsroom. newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/elder-…

@HollandGreig Then you must condemn Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David and Solomon and the churches that came down from them as cults too.

Brigham Young had 50+ wives, claiming the Lord commanded it Cult leader

@rob24957485 @5Solas2 John 10:34, Psalm 82:6

Er… according to Grok they believe they become gods at death by inheriting divine attributes and powers, including the ability to create worlds, have spirit children, and preside over their own kingdoms or worlds. They are polytheistic, so… not Christians in any sense of the word.

@defense_of_fam @StoneJAlex Nailed it!

@StoneJAlex Correction: If you reject Jesus Christ, you are not a Christian.

If you reject the Trinity, then you are not a Christian.

@ChristLifeInc1 @TeeplesCY I've already explained this to you. Bye Felicia! 👋

LAST CHANCE! Quote the Bible where it says Jesus and Satan are brothers (LIKE YOUR LEADERS SAID) or BE SILENT! If you reject doctrines taught by your prophets, apostles, and published in official mormon publications... YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER (even from your own CULT perspective.)

Paul and Joseph Smith are the two most disruptive figures in the history of Christianity. Here’s what people miss about their similarities: Both testified to seeing the resurrected Jesus Christ in a personal vision. Both were immediately dismissed as dishonest. Or mad. Or dangerous. Both watched their message get labeled foolishness by the most educated, powerful people of their time. Paul described it plainly. “We preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness.” Joseph Smith, eighteen centuries later: “I was hated and persecuted for saying that I had seen a vision, yet it was true.” The language is almost interchangeable. They didn’t try to prove the possibility of a vision through logic. They simply asserted the reality of one. To their critics, they offered no complex theories. Only the stubborn evidence of their own eyes. “And last of all he was seen of me also,” wrote Paul. “This is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives! For we saw him,” wrote Joseph. Same claim. Same structure. Same response from the world around them. Paul wrote that the natural man “receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him.” Joseph translated from ancient records: “The natural man is an enemy to God… unless he yields to the enticing of the Holy Spirit.” Neither man stood alone. Both had witnesses. These were not two men inventing religion. They were two men reporting what they saw.

@ChristLifeInc1 @TeeplesCY Jesus and Satan not being brothers is not an explanation of Revelation 14:6 let alone the when and how, and I further explained how that isn't even official LDS doctrine. It's a deflection. If you don't know what it means just say so.

LIAR - YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION I ANSWERED YOURS YOU DON'T LIKE THE ANSWER Show me where Rev. 14:6 says Jesus and Satan are brothers. x.com/ChristLifeInc1…

@ChristLifeInc1 @TeeplesCY And we're back to deflection again. I already answered you. Explain Revelations 14:6

NO SHIFTING! I already answered it. Nowhere in Rev 14:6 does it say Jesus and Satan are brothers. x.com/ChristLifeInc1…

@ChristLifeInc1 @TeeplesCY Now we're shifting goalposts? I've answered you. Now answer my question. Explain Revelation 14:6. When and How?

LIAR! WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR DEMONIC TESTIMONY? I showed you prophets, apostles, and official mormon publications all saying that Jesus and Satan are brothers. Then you responded in a way that differs from them. x.com/ChristLifeInc1…

@ChristLifeInc1 @TeeplesCY I said no such thing. Spencer W Kimball was a prophet of God. Bruce R McConkie was an apostle of God. If your going to cite 2 Corinthians 11 start from verse 12. Neither of these 2 men boasted in themselves. I testify that I know they were the servants of God by His Spirit.

Thanks for admitting that your prophets are FALSE PROPHETS and that your apostles are FALSE APOSTLES! God warned us in the Bible about people like you.

@ChristLifeInc1 @TeeplesCY Our leaders have repeated continuously from the beginning that just because it was mentioned once by a couple of people, or in an obscure article somewhere is evidence that is not doctrine of the Church. All things no matter who says them needs confirmation by the Spirit of God.

Perhaps you should CORRECT your apostles and prophets and OFFICIAL mormon publications.