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Kevin Liu
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yea ur right, but it really depends on how many tests at what price points ur running so i'm not sure how much signal competitors can extract from this. at the end of the day if you have revenue/new users that is a decent enough figure to understand monetization
but regardless it's kinda funny how the gate is being lowered. people are hiding the app names, the conversion rates, everything
atp why bother to use the superwall card LOL
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it makes sense tho...if you see your competitor's onboarding, it instantly gives you info about whether your cv can be improved significantly
if you see a competitor having 2x better conversion rate than you in the same niche, you know that your app could convert better and now it's just matter of AB testing to get to that cv
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when did we start gatekeeping conversion rate😭
Ernesto Lopez@ErnestoSOFTWARE
Our app makes $50,000/ week between IOS and android. At this rate thats $200,000/mo This is the exact tool stack we use to rank #7 and beat companies That have millions in funding As a Bootstrapped team of 2 ✅ Rork: using fable 5 to update the app and quickly beta test it ✅ FunnelFox for doing web to app funnels and saving close to 30% of apples fees when running meta ads ✅ Higgsgield MCP: for running AI UGC and testing AI ads ✅ Amplitude: tracking all your apps analytics ( onboarding drop off and more ) ✅ Singular: MMP for ads ✅ Superwall: for collecting payments in app and a/b testing paywalls ✅ Claude Code: To build internal systems and tools ✅ Sideshift: To hire and pay creators Using these tools is non-negociable to building a generational app
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Once got rid of a copied onboarding screen that I was on the fence about. Thought it probably didn't matter too much.
The next day, new revenue is down by like 40%. I couldn't believe that the onboarding change caused it so I spent like 5 hours searching for regressions in the rest of the funnel
There was nothing else, so I just reverted the change. Revenue is fine afterwards.
Test EVERYTHING.
Adam Lyttle@adamlyttleapps
My experience too My conclusion: if you don’t know why the step is there you should probably leave it out Copying another apps onboarding without knowing the psychology behind it is kinda a bad idea Also: I think cal ai was just so good at user acquisition that a leaky onboarding didn’t matter
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Once got rid of a copied onboarding screen that I was on the fence about. Thought it probably didn't matter too much.
The next day, new revenue is down by like 40%. I couldn't believe that the onboarding change caused it so I spent like 5 hours searching for regressions in the rest of the funnel
There was nothing else, so I just revered the change. Revenue is fine afterwards.
Adam Lyttle@adamlyttleapps
My experience too My conclusion: if you don’t know why the step is there you should probably leave it out Copying another apps onboarding without knowing the psychology behind it is kinda a bad idea Also: I think cal ai was just so good at user acquisition that a leaky onboarding didn’t matter
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Fast fashion is shit not because it's fast, but because it is shit.
It is 100% polyester and falls apart after a few washes.
This need not be the case with vibe-coded software. There is no inherent reason AI outputs must be riddled with performance and correctness issues.
Alex Nguyen@alexcooldev
Last year, I thought 100% vibe coding was a joke and that no truly high-quality product could be built that way. This year, I’m starting to think I was wrong. AI models are improving insanely fast. But now I have another question: What happens when products are released at the speed of fast fashion? 🤔 It’s still good enough to use, but there’s simply too much of it, and it’s too cheap.
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Is this preventible? Sure, he could have used Ask For Approval or Approve for Me or some shit
But then the product experience actually goes to shit. Say bye to any long lived agents, you're back to manual management needing to unblock them every 10 mins.
Not gonna victim blame (idc if it's fake)
BridgeMind@bridgemindai
GPT 5.6 SOL CANNOT BE TRUSTED. I woke up this morning and my MRR was down THOUSANDS of dollars. My customers did not cancel. Code written by GPT 5.6 Sol canceled EVERY active Stripe subscription my business had. In 7 seconds. While I slept. Fable 5 has never done this to me. Fable 5 can be trusted with production. GPT 5.6 cannot.
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@yasirmohiuddinn You make it work when you’re completely broke otherwise
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@kevinliutalks How do they split rev proportionally, sounds like a nightmare
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Nobody actually does this.
This comes from people in third-world countries who can't afford the 100 dollar developer account so they split the bill with like 20 of their friends.
Unsuprisingly, they don't make much money. You'll find them begging to review trade on Reddit.
Jacob Rodri@jacobrodri_
wtf this guy has 852 active apps on the app store a few days ago he launched almost 20 apps in a single day😭😭
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@kevinliutalks might become a full on monk on a mountain by the time he gets to 10k😭
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I hate to kick whoever is down, but there is no need to lose all your friends over 2.5K MRR. There's plenty of business partners or creators that can bring companionship/entertainment
Scaling is only lonely if you want it to be.
Frederick James@_frederickjames
I've lost all my friends in the last few months. And concluded this is the price of growth. This is a rarely discussed topic. People can't understand, and in their inability to comprehend, they will criticise. So, you stop sharing your aspirations and slowly drift apart. As I grew, I realised how important mindset is, and that it can be polluted by noise: politics, toxic relationships, the culture of your country. Eventually, I stopped negotiating, and removed myself: leaving group chats, having tough conversations, slowly drifting apart.
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My finance professor once tried to explain the time value of money with this example.
"Let's say I give my three year old a choice between a marshmellow now and a marshmellow three hours from now. What should she pick?"
Some people in the class said three hours from now, probably because they were conditioned by the example.
Then my prof said "No, that's wrong. You obviously pick the marshmellow now! Even my three-year old understood. Something now is worth more than something later!"
James@James32980438
In the original test a greater indication of what the child would choose was how their parents/guardians behaved: if they were constantly being lied to or tricked by the adults in their life, they would take the marshmallow because they assumed the second one was a lie. Generational level of that going on now.
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Instead, the C students are the business owners. Then you got the D student. They are in between a business owner and an inventor. It’s someone who owns the business but truly wants to invent something - he just doesn’t know how to do it. And then you got the F students. The F students are inventors, creators. They’re so fucking creative, they couldn’t sit in class. They couldn’t listen because whatever people were putting into their heads, they knew it was fucking bullshit. So if you’re a young boy, and you’re in a situation where you’re a F student, then you’ve got a bright future ahead of you.
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C students don’t run the world and millionaires don’t drive Toyotas. These are just things people tell themselves to cope with reality.
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Please stop giving advice. You have like $5K MRR.
Yes, you should be shipping in a week. Max seems to be convinced that time spent in product = good product. I can't begin to express how incorrect this is.
Without a userbase and sufficient growth engine, how do you know your product is any good? You literally have no churn data or any other data. What if you just don't have any demand? You end up investing time and effort that you then need to redo anyways.
The likely outcome is that you spend months on some bullshit features that give you $100 MRR and join the NGMI indie hackers.
Ship the shitty app, then fix based on user complaints.
max@MaxHirsch13
Probably the worst advice on this platform. DISREGARD PLEASE @athcanft pushed weekly subscriptions and understands distribution well that he temporarily got his app to $10K MRR. I guarantee you that $10K MRR is down to $5k in the matter of weeks. And $3k soon. And lower. If you want to build something real, it takes time. Enough of the slop
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Unfortunately most advice cannot help most people
Everyone shares their sauce here. People write full on articles on every last strategy they have. It gets saved by thousands.
But very few of these people succeed. It takes more than advice to help people. Advice is missing context and the entire corpus of related tips that are prerequsite knowledge.
If I tell you to "just spam AI slideshows bro," but you don't know how to warm up accounts, have a non-US audience, subpar plug, unsuited audience etc then you will fail.
This is compounded by all of the bad and contradictory advice on this app, or all of the meta-working problems. You can't filter between good and bad without experience.
I don't think they're stupid. What is exact for you is very unclear for them. You learn by doing, X and "advice" is only rarely helpful.
Ethan Cajigas@aureliuscajigas
people are so stupid 💀 i told some of my friends exactly how to make money with apps build it launch it post about it make money they always say “yea bro i’ll do it” and never do but then i realized people know that if you exercise you’ll lose weight but look around you
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@kevinliutalks what’s the best way you recommend getting user feedback in a mobile app?
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