Tim Freeman

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Tim Freeman

Tim Freeman

@ovjocm

Follow me if you think I make sense. Now I use another account to talk with people who IMO don't make sense, so following me won't put them on your timeline.

Katılım Şubat 2010
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Lee Jordan
Lee Jordan@TheRealLeejo·
@intuitidbits Is this saying that a group of 40 year old marathon running females is more likely to commit a violent crime than a similar number of obese 18 year old males, or that the efforts to control haven’t been terrible vigorous or had to resist much scrutiny?
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Helen
Helen@anomalie_blue·
Low resting heart rate (bpm < 70) is the best physiological predictor of violent/antisocial behavior. In a remarkable longitudinal study of over 700,000 men, those with the lowest RHR: -were the most likely to commit both violent and non-violent crime -had a 31% increased risk of getting into a car crash -were 41% more likely to be injured as a result of assault -demonstrated an earlier onset of criminality than those with a RHR > 82 bpm When adjusted for confounders (ex: socioeconomic status, physical activity), the relationships between low RHR and antisocial behavior became even stronger.
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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
@aran_nayebi @DanraeP Given no definition of consciousness, maybe it isn't a process. Add 1.5: "Consciousness is a process that happens in the brain." A label can be attached to a thing nevermind its physical properties. My car's owner is not a physical property of it. Ownership happens elsewhere.
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Aran Nayebi
Aran Nayebi@aran_nayebi·
Agree with Chalmers' take. As a neuroscience & AI researcher, I'm puzzled why this is remotely controversial though? The "AI consciousness" claim rests on: 1. Brains are conscious. 2. Brain processes are physical. 3. Physical processes are Turing computable. (1) is non-controversial. (2) is standard neuroscience. (3) is the Physical Church-Turing Thesis. Rejecting (2) or (3) implies belief in dualism or hypercomputers (e.g., Penrose's "Orch OR"). I argue against hypercomputers in my 2014 Minds & Machines article: arxiv.org/abs/1210.3304. Open to concrete arguments against (1)-(3).
David Chalmers@davidchalmers42

this clip of me talking about AI consciousness seems to have gone wide. it's from a @worldscifest panel where @bgreene asked for "yes or no" opinions (not arguments!) on the issue. if i were to turn the opinion into an argument, it might go something like this: (1) biology can support consciousness. (2) biology and silicon aren't relevantly different in principle [such that one can support consciousness and the other not]. therefore: (3) silicon can support consciousness in principle. note that this simple argument isn't at all original -- some version of it can probably be found in putnam, turing, or earlier. note also that the (controversial!) claim that the brain is a machine (which comes down to what one means by "machine") plays no essential role in the argument. of course reasonable people can disagree about the premises! perhaps the key premise is (2) and it requires support. one way to support it is to go through various candidates for a relevant principled difference between biology and silicon and argue that none of them are plausible. another way is through the neuromorphic replacement argument that i discuss later in the same conversation. some see a tension between (1)/(3) and the hard problem. but there's not much tension: one can simultaneously allow that brains support consciousness and observe that there's an explanatory gap between the two that may take new principles to bridge. the same goes for AI systems. this isn't a change of mind: i've argued for the possibility of AI consciousness since the 1990s. my 1994 talk on the hard problem (youtube.com/watch?v=_lWp-6…) outlined an "organizational invariance" principle that tends to support AI consciousness. you can find versions of the two strategies above for arguing for premise 2 in chapters 6 and 7 of my 1996 book "the conscious mind". i'm not suggesting that current AI systems are conscious. but in a separate article on the possibility of consciousness in language models (bostonreview.net/articles/could…), i've made a related argument that within ten years or so, we may well have systems that are serious candidates for consciousness. the strategy in that article on LLM consciousness is analogous to the first strategy above in arguing for AI consciousness more generally. i go through the most plausible obstacles to consciousness in language models, and i argue that even if these obstacles exclude consciousness in current systems, they may well be overcome in a decade. of course none of this is certain. but i think AI consciousness is something we have to take seriously. [the full conversation with @bgreene and @anilkseth can be found at youtube.com/watch?v=06-iq-…]

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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
@partha_mitra @aran_nayebi A computer simulation of a calculator is a calculator, though. I agree that we should forget about consciousness, but the comparison with water is a bad analogy.
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Partha Mitra
Partha Mitra@partha_mitra·
@aran_nayebi Computer simulations of water do not make the computer wet. Forget about consciousness, hard enough to simulate water ..
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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
@aran_nayebi @DanraeP The problem with this definition is that it has no bearing on the social consequences of AI. In the absence of a definition of "conscious", you should be thinking about the social consequences of AI, not whether they can be conscious.
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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
@aran_nayebi @DanraeP We should know what we are discussing instead of discussing things with no known meaning that might hypothetically acquire a meaning someday. Some people believe that "consciousness" involves souls and God tracks what has a soul. By this definition, an AI can't be conscious. ...
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Jonathan Oppenheim
Jonathan Oppenheim@postquantum·
I'll post details when I'm back from lectures, but just wanted to say that I'll give a public lecture March 15th about the theory, and we're hoping to fundraise to bring a remarkable student to join our team. Tickets and ways to support our research at ucl.ac.uk/oppenheim/gi.s… 2/
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Jonathan Oppenheim
Jonathan Oppenheim@postquantum·
Folks, something seems to be happening... We show that our theory of gravity is valid down to the shortest distances arxiv.org/abs/2402.17844. and that it can explain the expansion of the universe and galactic rotation without dark matter or dark energy arxiv.org/abs/2402.19459 1/
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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
YouTube has bugs that allow me to put child only videos on a playlist from history or the video list in your channel, but not when watching the video. This is important because I like them and if I don't put them in a playlist I will never find them again after history expires.
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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
@marilynhorowitz Be aware that you mark many of your YouTube videos as being for children. This prevents me from saving them to a playlist, or listening to them with the screen turned off and YouTube Red, or commenting on them. I liked the Rats! video: youtu.be/D-mkyCULm-c
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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
@42irrationalist @catehall There is a meaningful difference between caffeine and nicotine. If I look up "nicotine heart disease" or "caffeine heart disease", nicotine seems more dangerous. Both are addictive, caffeine withdrawal is 2-9 days and nicotine withdrawal is a month or more.
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curious irrationalist
curious irrationalist@42irrationalist·
@catehall nicotine might be like this too, there are reports of nicotine reducing ugh fields i tried using nicotine lozenges as a cognitive enhancer a few days ago and it seems to work gwern.net/nicotine
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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
@RokoMijic They are making horror videos about your basilisk. I wish they did a better job of explaining it, though. I think I understand it well enough, so no need for you to explain it to me, but I assume new people will encounter the video. youtu.be/asyOPKA6dvo?si…
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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
@NathanB60857242 @ESYudkowsky People naively think they can decide to do something in such a way that they will then do the thing they decided to do. There is an obesity epidemic in the US, so this is not true. The model Yud is suggesting explains the obesity epidemic better than the naive model. ...
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Eliezer Yudkowsky ⏹️
Eliezer Yudkowsky ⏹️@ESYudkowsky·
Just to say it out loud and make sure we all know this, YOU are also a mask that a shoggoth is wearing. It's just a very different shoggoth from the LLM shoggoth.
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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
@ESYudkowsky The word "shoggoth" is chosen to connote a non-human thinking process, so it is the wrong word to use when describing a human. But I agree with your point: if we correctly introspect how actual human thinking occurs, it seems alien.
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VANITY FAIR
VANITY FAIR@VanityFair·
Donald Trump, who regularly takes credit for Roe v. Wade being overturned, would now like people to believe he’s going to come up with a “deal” on abortion that everyone in America will be happy with. Read the latest from @besslevin: vntyfr.com/NIueNpW
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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
@Supreme_Owl_FTW @balajis Ballistic missiles are part of an arms race and any contest is status seeking and requires as much wealth as you opponents. So we are agreeing.
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🤖🦉CyberOwl 🦉🤖
🤖🦉CyberOwl 🦉🤖@Supreme_Owl_FTW·
@ovjocm @balajis Depends on your goals. If your ambitions end with a mansion and boat, yes. If you’re after arctic dens with ballistic missiles, then 10 million is just one month’s expenses.
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Balaji
Balaji@balajis·
"Millionaires and billionaires" is conceptually similar to "meters and kilometers" or "grams and kilograms". These things differ by three orders of magnitude.
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Tim Freeman
Tim Freeman@ovjocm·
I reread GrokLaw's exit message today: groklawstatic.ibiblio.org/article.php%3f… I think they could have kept going if they had used PGP and airgapped machines, sending encrypted text as attachments to emails sent from burner accounts. Am I missing a risk, or did they miss an opportunity?
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