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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar This is even more nonsensical. You have some odd mechanism by which you weight the veracity of any given position between sides of an ethnic conflict by their share of the total population? But even this doesn’t track, Palestinians regionally outnumber israeli jews 2:1.
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Flamboyant Warmonger Reince Niebuhr 🇺🇸 🧊 🐶
Flamboyant Warmonger Reince Niebuhr 🇺🇸 🧊 🐶@ReinceNiebuhr·
One can be a liberal Zionist but not liberal 🇵🇸 Stan If ir pro 🇮🇱 you have lots of company arguing 4 humanizing both sides + fighting for decent outcome for all But Palestinians won’t accept your allyship unless you demonize Jews & support their murder
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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar That you don’t do this is demonstrated in this very thread! Your second statement is similarly absurdly tautological (American interests are not magically apparent), and the point is that their clear outsized influence on our democracy is a threat to it in fact.
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Flamboyant Warmonger Reince Niebuhr 🇺🇸 🧊 🐶@ReinceNiebuhr·
I take both Israelis and Palestinians at their word and in proportion to their percent of total population As an American your interest should be aligned with American interests which generally speaking have very little to how countries treat internal or external foreign populations and much more to do with whether or to what degree or in what ways a country is useful or dangerous to us
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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar Your ultimate problem here is you grant infinite good faith to Israel and none to its opponents. I am not them, so these are not my choices nor my history to litigate. What I want as an American is just that we do not sanction their present irrationality or barbarity.
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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar 1948 is another time altogether and 2007 was little more than a map and a few words that Olmert had no real authority to achieve. But granting even that, look at the bounds of the demilitarized state on offer, that’s not a viable and defensible state!
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@admcrlsn At some point you have to understand that they aren’t just “ok” with it, they desire it as an ideal. Much of the Democratic Party, just as the Republicans, are hopelessly corrupt. Any meaningful reform away from our present decline into oligarchy will require their purge.
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Adam Carlson@admcrlsn·
It’s disappointing, but not at all surprising, that Stevens’ backers are perfectly ok with this nauseating subversion of democracy. If you’re actually a Democrat, this level of spending from an outside group — in general, but especially in a primary — should absolutely disgust you. And if Abdul does indeed win the Democratic primary in spite of this barrage, I genuinely hope you will finally come to see this for the abomination that it is.
Dan Pfeiffer@danpfeiffer

AIPAC is spending more than 8x as much as the entire pro-@AbdulElSayed campaign, and Haley Stevens isn't even on the air. I'm not sure I have ever seen anything like this in a Senate race.

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@shadihamid @mattyglesias I don’t think you’re truly this naive, but it’s not a suggestion, it’s what’s true and has always been true. The center’s ideological enemies have always been the left and then the right in that order. That this isn’t clear in our politics is just a function of our party system.
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Shadi Hamid@shadihamid·
With all due respect to @mattyglesias, the last few weeks have suggested to me that the center-left cares more about beating down the left than they do about beating Trump. We've seen the re-introduction of "woke" tropes by the Democratic establishment, weaponized against Abdul El-Sayed to suggest he's some kind of mysogonist, without any actual evidence. To accuse a Muslim man of misogyny is a classic trope, of course. If I was someone who cared about the future of the Democratic Party and it's ability to compete with the GOP, I'd be more enthusiastic about people like Abdul and Zohran, who model a positive "clean-living" masculinity. I'd be be enthusiastic about their ability to turn out young voters who are otherwise disaffected by a party that doesn't seem to want to listen to them. They're also practicing Muslims who respect the role of religion in public life, something we need more of in an overly secularized Democratic Party. This doesn't mean that everyone has to like Abdul or want him to win. Even if you want him to lose, you should see that he has something genuinely positive to offer to the Democratic Party. When the left wants to beat establishment candidates, it's called "factionalism." When the establishment wants to beat the left, it's not called that. It's just normal and unaccounted for. Take @neeratanden for example. Her feed is mostly about her disdain for the left. I don't see how this is constructive. And those of us who are not part of the Democratic establishment shouldn't concede too much ground on these points. I worry, though, that we have.
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@JeffMightBWrong @Noahpinion They’ve largely won the factional fight against the left for a decade (actually since Carter) and yet here we are. The reason they don’t realize that is that this simply isn’t true.
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Jeff Maurer
Jeff Maurer@JeffMightBWrong·
I’m baffled by people who still don’t realize that normie Democrats winning the factional fight against the far left is a necessary condition for beating MAGA.
Shadi Hamid@shadihamid

With all due respect to @mattyglesias, the last few weeks have suggested to me that the center-left cares more about beating down the left than they do about beating Trump. We've seen the re-introduction of "woke" tropes by the Democratic establishment, weaponized against Abdul El-Sayed to suggest he's some kind of mysogonist, without any actual evidence. To accuse a Muslim man of misogyny is a classic trope, of course. If I was someone who cared about the future of the Democratic Party and it's ability to compete with the GOP, I'd be more enthusiastic about people like Abdul and Zohran, who model a positive "clean-living" masculinity. I'd be be enthusiastic about their ability to turn out young voters who are otherwise disaffected by a party that doesn't seem to want to listen to them. They're also practicing Muslims who respect the role of religion in public life, something we need more of in an overly secularized Democratic Party. This doesn't mean that everyone has to like Abdul or want him to win. Even if you want him to lose, you should see that he has something genuinely positive to offer to the Democratic Party. When the left wants to beat establishment candidates, it's called "factionalism." When the establishment wants to beat the left, it's not called that. It's just normal and unaccounted for. Take @neeratanden for example. Her feed is mostly about her disdain for the left. I don't see how this is constructive. And those of us who are not part of the Democratic establishment shouldn't concede too much ground on these points. I worry, though, that we have.

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar If this was the “default” position, they would have offered them a state in the camp David summit (and don’t pretend the rump fiefdom offered then is that). What most zionists have today (and then too frankly) is a simple desire for annexing the entire territory.
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Flamboyant Warmonger Reince Niebuhr 🇺🇸 🧊 🐶
Flamboyant Warmonger Reince Niebuhr 🇺🇸 🧊 🐶@ReinceNiebuhr·
The choice you have is two states for two peoples end of conflict — what was the default Zionist position before the second intifada — or forever war (in which you to date have not had the upper hand) At this point most zionists have despaired of Palestinians ever being willing to agree to two states for two peoples end of conflict, but most of us still hope that proves overly pessimistic
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@curtboidarbo @LateStage_L2 @AlwaysFlacko You can find it awful and a sad commentary on our world (I do too), but the only reason he’s even talking about this is because Hamas attacked Israel on 10/7. There was no alternative peaceful scenario where we’re here now.
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@curtboidarbo @LateStage_L2 @AlwaysFlacko His position in congress is no to arms embargo, no to cutting off all aid. This is what makes peaceful protest unviable. Like it’s undeniable that there was no meaningful even public attention on this conflict before 10/7 and the peace process was dead.
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Forrest Miller 🎥🏆@AlwaysFlacko·
Idk man. I just feel like Ro Khanna is very very out of his depth at this point. He doesn’t strike me as a particularly thoughtful or passionate legislator. He strikes me as a career backbencher who has wandered into some good political issues to exploit. And he’s a deer in headlights.
Charlie from the river to the sea 🇵🇸 تشارلي ديبه@IMDibe

Khanna: I’m much more Dr. King than Malcolm X Scahill: Are you much more slave rebellions were justified against people that were raping, hanging, murdering Africans who had been kidnapped? I mean, I’m sorry, I spend most of my day and night talking w/ Palestinians…

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@Ericrse37986 @HamiltonCain I think mostly it just comes down to the fact that it’s a proper city where you can actually build a proper grassroots organization to effectively fan out a political message. In MI (and everywhere else really) you’re dealing with atomized suburbanites.
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@HamiltonCain Yeah, but Zohran is a generational talent and the NYC-DSA is an extremely robust grassroots organization.
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Eric@Ericrse37986·
Whatever the final result is in the Michigan Dem Senate primary, it’s pretty clear that the biggest problem for progressives is the inability to reach out to offline and less politically-engaged voters.
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@LateStage_L2 @AlwaysFlacko I mean probably the only rhetorical misstep Scahill here is impressing on you the idea that it’s the only viable option. Khanna could actually be the MLK he pretends to be and say Israel has no right to violence either.
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Late Stage (null) Tom@LateStage_L2·
@AlwaysFlacko Expecting an elected official to publicly endorse non-state violence just isn’t a realistic standard. Let revolutionaries be revolutionaries and let politician allies be politicians. This is no different than when people complain about AOC not being radical enough.
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@AlwaysFlacko And yet he’s almost all the pro Palestinian people have in Congress. You can even find some of them suggesting Scahill ignore his obvious hypocrisy here so he doesn’t get mad and flip flop again. That level of desperation for literally nothing really shows how bad things are.
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Wenqing Xu
Wenqing Xu@WenqingXu220332·
@p_publius @JohnMccarthyyy @daveweigel I don't think Hamas as a political entity achieves anything by fighting Israel. In fact, it actively makes things worse for American Palestinian activists. So no, they should lose those rights to violence, as should Israel.
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David Weigel@daveweigel·
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@AlanOwens4107 @electionsjoe @AIPAC Stevens is hoping there’s enough anti trump sentiment to brush past that. And who knows, maybe she’s demonstrated sufficient loyalty to them that they’ll honorably bow out or something.
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Director Owens@AlanOwens4107·
@electionsjoe She's going to get killed in the general when @AIPAC pulls their funding and shifts it to Rogers through one of their affiliates.
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@electionsjoe I mean they bought these peoples’ votes but lost mine for a lifetime so it’s not free even there. One day that might mean something, even if it isn’t today.
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@WenqingXu220332 @JohnMccarthyyy @daveweigel You're making 0 sense. Rights are freedoms enjoyed by people as a function of natural law. We are talking about the basic right of a person to self-determination and the pursuit of their economic, social, and cultural development and the right of armed resistance to secure it.
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@Megankstack There is seemingly nothing they can do that is beyond the pale. And once their backers consolidate our domestic media as the Ellisons seem unblocked from doing, our own country will be effectively closed to journalism on this subject too.
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Megan K. Stack
Megan K. Stack@Megankstack·
Gaza remains completely closed to outside journalists, 9 months after the “ceasefire.” I don’t believe there is any precedent for this kind of closure in any contemporary war.* It’s ominous, outrageous, and hardly anyone talks about it anymore. *correct me if I’m wrong
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