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@stackerco @Samuraijrussell Whether LDS or the other current faiths or even the thousands of gods worshipped before they all have one significant commonality. None have definitive data driven proof.
Which defies logic if a real supreme being existed, loved us as we are told.
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Here is a quintessential example of a judgmental Mormon who thinks Exmormons are simply lost and don’t have spiritual direction in their lives.
The hubris and arrogance of such a claim, especially coming from someone who belongs to a church with maybe six million members.
Thoughtful-Faith@ThoughtfulSaint
Exmos like to talk about their “journey” But a journey has a meaningful destination. Wandering is not the same as being on a journey. Telling people to go “wherever they want” as if all paths are equally good or valid is the definition of wandering. Somewhere deep down they know this. And somewhere deep down they know they have a thirst they can’t quench.
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Almost 30 years ago, Elder D Todd Christofferson visited my mission and taught about the second anointing/calling and election made sure/Holy Spirit of promise.
These images are my scriptures with notes about it still in the margin, and the scriptures Christofferson read from to teach it.
He didn’t speak of what happens in the ordinance, that was all new to me in just the last few years. Christofferson just spoke on the importance of it.
It’s a progression from:
Faith
Baptism
Repentance
Obedience
Holy Ghost
Endure to the end
Holy Spirit of Promise
Calling and Election made sure
My notes you can see in section 88, I remember to be a synopsis of a quote from him that I tried to capture:
“They received their calling and election made sure (verse 2).”
“It (the second anointing) does not have to happen in this life, but it has to happen to enter the Celestial Kingdom.”
Then I remember him pausing and looking around as if that was a daunting realization.
Then he said, “But don’t worry about it. Just keep the covenants you made and it will happen here or the next life.”
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@RigdonNancy3 Yeah, I should ask my brothers what their blessings say. We all had the same patriarch. I’d bet a nickel they are very similar.
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@partialcontext There’s a reason they tell us not to share our blessings with others. 🤔
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Did you know that the church used to charge people for a patriarchal blessing?
Maybe it was just me who wasn’t taught this in seminary or in church history lessons.
Jordan Brimley@jmbrim3
Brad Wilcox said, “Your patriarchal blessing is not so God can tell you what you already know. It is the chance for Him to tell you what He NEEDS you to know.” How does this change your approach to your patriarchal blessing?
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@BYUMemesRevived No this is what happens if you go swimming while being a missionary. Of course…..
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@KeithManleyjr @jaredadairbell @TracerBuIlet Sounds to me like nobody actually knows anything. Even those who think they know what they know.
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@jaredadairbell @TracerBuIlet Consensus has a very long track record of being wrong with complete confidence.
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For nearly 1,400 years, it was universally accepted that the earth was the center of the universe.
Galileo challenged this “gospel truth.”
He said that philosophers opposed his discovery and refused to even look through a telescope.
Makes me think about the Book of Mormon.
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@TheReeveOliver @painkilla6 @stackerco It’s definitely a good thing to try to hold onto whatever happiness you can, and pulling the threads it is very difficult to go back to a simple peace that once existed.
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@partialcontext @painkilla6 @stackerco When my brother started questioning I told him if he could stay in the church and be happy, he should do that. Because once you start pulling on threads you can't unsee things. The historical claims of the church are a huge stumbling block to faith in the religious claims.
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“I already knew about the seer stone, & that Joseph Smith married around 40 women, 10 were teenagers & 12 were already married. I already knew about the Book of Abraham translation problems and the different First Vision accounts and the Kinderhook plates and Masonry temple ceremony and the priesthood and restoration timeline issues and Brigham Young’s racism and the council of 50 and destroying the press and all the Book of Mormon anachronisms and contradictions in doctrine and policies. I already knew about blood atonement and Adam
God theory. I don’t care about the SEC fine and the abuse coverups.”
Okay.
Then the question is: why did none of it bother you?
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@TheReeveOliver @painkilla6 @stackerco It just occurred to me that the term leaving the faith is a strange notion. Does leaving the church mean he abandoned faith? I’ve heard that term my whole life.
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@partialcontext @painkilla6 @stackerco He decided to leave the faith. Not because of historical claims, but once he left and then learned about them it makes it very difficult to rationalize coming back.
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@RhinoDerv @LargeInStature_ I think that’s the point. It doesn’t make sense and it never will.
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@LargeInStature_ It’s kinda funny that you used “fetch” to sanitize the meme but it’s still a monkey smoking a cigarette
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Infinite regression? Plural marriage in heaven? The priesthood ban?
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@RandomLDS That has a “keep sweet and obey” feel to it. Honestly, that’s how religion got to this point.
Realistically, people should keep in their own lanes, but the internet has eliminated the ability to do so.
Yes, we could simply turn it off and walk away. I don’t dislike this idea
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If our loudest critics on X spent more time testifying of Jesus than they did targeting members of His church, they'd see their own discipleship deepen as they emulated their Savior.
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@synthenergy @BlackBlessedLDS Yeah, Plumb disagrees. And that’s all that matters.
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I only share this to show it isn’t “open and shut” as originally claimed. Anytime anyone claims it is, they likely are speaking facetiously and/or too confidently.
If this the the silver bullet for “Mormonism” so be it. To each their own. But don’t take what anyone (even me) says at face value.
Read
Ponder
Search
Study
Critically think
Pray
Fast
Etc
Don’t take what amateurs like myself share online at face value. Especially in regard to spiritual matters.
(There were many more arguments outlined but I can only share so many images in the OP. Sorry!)
Stacker@stackerco
Deutero Isaiah is the open and shut evidence that the Book of Mormon is not historical. There is no way certain chapters of Isaiah could have been on the brass plates. It’s really time members talked about the book as a transformational/spiritual but not a historical.
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@synthenergy @stackerco I think Billy Joel also will not get the highest glory.
He’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
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@stackerco (except people that are in the bottom of the CK or the TKs DON'T get this ordinance.
As an "apostate" I will not get this in my life nor the life to come.
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@ScipiosGhost @jaredadairbell Yes, I see that as a logical response to leaving a high demand religious experience.
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@partialcontext @jaredadairbell Then surely you can understand why people don't leave the church alone. They simply want to protect others from what they see as a fraudulent, aggressive & harmful religion.
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When you leave the church, but you can’t leave the church alone
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@Lovemyproxy Does it matter? They all think they are right. And they all think everyone else is wrong.
I’m not trying to be trite. It’s hard to understand humans and why we do what we do. Fickle creatures….
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@partialcontext You're right, you didn't say it.
And it's usually because one doesn't know their beliefs.
So why did you choose Muslims?
Why not Catholics? Why not Orthodox? Why not Judaism?
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@tylerbegan124 @MattTestifies You tried to be nice. Kudos.
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@MattTestifies I appreciate it when mormons just admit that they believe just because they believe. Trying to prove something like the book of Abraham as authentic with evidence is impossible. I appreciate your honesty here
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@VaultOfEvidence @MattTestifies They create their own so they can disregard the real ones.
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@MattTestifies Where’s all the peer reviews from real Egyptologists?
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@Lovemyproxy @ThisMomSaid Then let’s open it up to Buddhists, Hinduism, and other beliefs…. That’s the whole point here. I never said Muslims believed Jesus is the Savior or God. I simply said they think they have the truth.
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@partialcontext @ThisMomSaid Sigh...when people say this it means they don't know what Muslims believe.
Muslims do not believe that Jesus is God, nor do they believe that he is a savior.
If you're going to go there, you have to open it up to Buddha, Hinduism, and other beliefs.
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@ThisMomSaid @jaredadairbell @Lovemyproxy Good insight. We probably won’t have time to hash it all out, but I’m glad you shared your story. That is the stuff that the church actually needs. Then, regardless of truth vs not, the people can meet in a place of love and empathy.
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You’re welcome. I hear you. I had my own moments with that. I ultimately had to work through a few things.
1. Was I there?
2. Who wrote the accounts and were they friends or foes?
3. Does it change the gospel?
They may sound flippant. But I really did go through this… and something hit me really hard.
A few years ago, a HORRIBLE rumor was spread about me. It stemmed from a text that was misunderstood then completely taken out of context AND misconstrued. It was then amplified and spread. I was hearing it from everywhere and nobody thought to just come to me and ask if it were true or what my side of the story was. I ended up defending myself nonstop. It ruined relationships. I had a few people stand up for me and refused to buy into it because it was completely out of my character and they knew it. This literally went on for years! In fact… the last person to believe it, was one of the first people that heard it and they finally talked to me about it last year! It was HELL.
I know this sounds random… but going through this, actually made me understand how things can be so completely skewed. So, unless I was there, I’m giving grace. I’m not listening to enemies and foes because their intentions aren’t pure. And ultimately the truth never changed, no matter how much people wanted to change it.
Anyway… I don’t know if any of this made sense or resonated, it’s late and it was long. I pray that maybe something positive comes out of it. Take care 🙏🏻
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@JasminRappleye Have you ever been paid by the church to create content? I don’t think Stacker said you aren’t too good to do your own work, but that he suspects that you are making content FOR the church.
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To all the people saying that I make videos too fast and too good for it to possibly be my own work, thank you for the compliment. 💅
Stacker@stackerco
There’s something about the timing of Jasmin’s video on the Holy of Holies, the second endowment, and the specific language used that hits my conspiracy radar. The church has asked not to discuss this topic. And then Oaks shares the picture and Jasmine has a good detailed and very carefully worded video. It’s one of those topics discussed by critics of the church often. There are interviews on Mormon Stories of people that have gone through the second anointing, and Ben Park recently did a deep dive into its history. I don’t think Jasmin would have tackled this topic unless being asked to. And the wording she used to me sounds like a script approved by someone else. I’m convinced she is a PR arm for the church, as someone who can speak on topics the church can’t. If this video stays up (meaning the church doesn’t ask her to take it down) then to me it’s more evidence to support this idea.
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@JakeMakin13 @nicoraytruth It’s hard to look at it that way, for me.
I was raised in the church and had a good experience. Unfortunately I can’t follow the rabbit hole back to where I started, but it’s really hard to not be grateful for my roots.
Lots of good people trying to do the right thing.
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@nicoraytruth The church is a disgusting organization filled with lies and deceit... full of good people trying to do the right thing
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The majority of anti-Mormons on social media are broken human beings. They are hurt, wounded, and filled with hate.
We should pray for them.
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