Enlightening
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@KingDragonaut @CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL 2/2 As long as they did other streams with people, I guess that just means they never colluded with people outside their group to push a ultimate means despite how poorly it made Christianity look.
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@xFieldsWithThe3 @CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL He also co host with Robert Spencer and even Jay at one point. Your standard is garbage
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@KingDragonaut @CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL I hardly believe you guys even understand my position. You just think "Never side with people against Christianity, and those who slanders Christians." Yet when I point out someone sided with someone who disagreed and called Christianity make belief suddenly im wrong 1/2.
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@KingDragonaut @CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL Im so done with the back and forth
Accusation -> He's a grifter
Evidence -> Lack of position, boost generic idea of Christianity in order to eliminate islam
Gain -> No islam, apparent fame.
That is reason to believe.
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@xFieldsWithThe3 @CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL You clearly don't have wisdom. Jay made the accusation, that means he has to provide evidence, not anyone else.
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@KingDragonaut @CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL Yes, twice actually, once to debate and to discuss orthodoxy. He did not make it a habit to engage as co-host like DWood. Wood verbally said he'd rather jell with AP than to ever side with muslims.

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@xFieldsWithThe3 @CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL By that criteria you condemn Jay. He brought Aposate Prophet on his channel, when Ap was a atheist and he was still making content against Christianity at the time..
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@CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL Yes definitely, I'm always open for wisdom. I just wonder which God revealed his to you. Bye.
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@xFieldsWithThe3 @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL You too. I hope God reveals the actual truth about this situation to you.
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@CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL Cool memes bro. I'd do the same too. Go in peace.
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@CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL Yes because it lacks reasoning. Saying hes fascist with no proof lacks a reason. Jay believes he grifts because of this or that reason. Therefore it is not baseless
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@xFieldsWithThe3 @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL I don’t think you understand how making baseless claims work.
If I say that I think Trump is a fascist, I’m entitled to believe that but I have to support it with actual evidence and proof.
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@CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL 2/2
2. You guys say it's a lie but that is subjective. Explain why it is not a grift and how Jay is advancing a "Lie" that can be considered subjective by your standard? If both conclude on a truth, it doesn't mean Jay agrees with their worldview. That's the crux of the matter.
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@xFieldsWithThe3 @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL Okay. Who determines what is true and straight when it comes to Christianity? Jay, a guy who agreed to a baseless claim towards a fellow Christian?
2: You can believe whatever you about a person subjectively but that doesn’t make it objectively true.
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@CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL Well it's not baseless as everyone has explained numerous times. Something is baseless when it has no reasoning. Jay's bases has reasoning. I believe church history, continuity, and tradition w/ scripture plays to what's true. 1/2
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@CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL 2/2 The example i gave is david wood hosting on stream with atheist as long as they get at islam. Avery would rather follow a blanket version of Christianity as long as he destroys islam. Jay agreed to a set of propositions, not world view.
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@xFieldsWithThe3 @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL Can you show me in the Bible that Eastern Orthodox is mentioned?
Plus Jay Dyer just agreed with Muslims against Logic so once again by your logic Jay is a grifter.
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@CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL You're getting words mixed up. Orthodox just means true or straight. You can't show me where I can't question if someone is following Orthodox Christianity. Again, you're not following, my example was that they would rather preach Anti Islam as opposed to actual Christianity 1/2
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@CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL It is a reason supported by evidence.Example David Wood. David Wood would rather side and host atheist who do not agree at all with his position, as long as it destroys islam.Can you also show me where in the bible can I not question if someone is following orthodox Christianity
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@xFieldsWithThe3 @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL It’s a reason not supporting by the evidence.
Just because someone doesn’t want to get involved with petty theological doctrine debates (something the Bible clearly condemns btw) doesn’t mean they’re grifting.
@GodLogic_GL is defending his Christian positions.
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@CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL How would you delineate what someone would believe in another person being a grifter? Ive gave the reason in the other reply. That's strong enough reason, as an orthodox apologist, to believe someone would rather destroy islam than know what is Orthodox.
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@xFieldsWithThe3 @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL No. You have to prove @GodLogic_GL is a grifter.
That was the original claim that @JayDyer was replying “bingo” to.
Where’s the proof of that claim?
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@KingDragonaut @CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL The proof is subjective. Jay believes christians who dont give a position and believes in a "Blanket" version of Christianity for the sake of destroying islam, are grifters. Whether you believe that is up to you but you cant say Jay BELIEVED a lie.
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@xFieldsWithThe3 @CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL No you guys have to prove that Avery is a grifter. This is how it all started.
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@CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL You're not tracking. Someone can be more Anti Islam as opposed to learning Christianity. Expecially Christianity in it's true form. Jay is not wrong, given he's an orthodox apologist, in believing that. You guys have to prove that Jay believes he agreed to a lie.
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@xFieldsWithThe3 @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL Should Christians not be Anti Islam considering it’s a false religion?
If that’s the case every Christian believer is a grifter by your logic.
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@CWonderGM @distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL It does not have to be for money. Can you prove Jay doesn't have a reason to believe he's not grifting? I think, even if I don't believe, that there's a good reason. Logic gives no position, his main aim is to eliminate Muslims. One can believe he wants Anti islam more than not.
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@distracdad @MikePagano87 @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL I did. So where is the evidence that Godlogic is a grifter who only does what he does for the money and fame?
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@Isaiah53John118 @Ron_M_Swiss @Acts17David @paleochristcon Well given the hypotheticals, Andrew explained that coming to the conclusion that both Parties agree with does not mean you agree to that other parties worldview, neither does it mean he knows everything that the member of the opposite side has done.
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I've never thought of jay dyer or the ortho bros as a cult . I always thought it was a funny playful accusation given how they act online but after that " debate " they definitely give out cultist vibes lol.
I've nerve seen someone so unreasonable and incapable of understanding the basic principle that if a dawah clown , who threatens to "consciously edit " Christians out of existence, calls Christians wife's whore,and is friends with the guy who doxes all Christians, threatens to kill them openly and shows up trying to confront them at places maybe perhabs if we all believe in Jesus , dont side with them.
I understand jay thinks those outside the orthodox church aren't Christians but understanbly so David's reasoning that this has been a dispute for hundreds of years and people who dedicated themselves to debating that issue haven't resolved it then why would he, who holds no authority, spend his time doing so when they are people in actually cults like islam and mormons.
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Guys, watch the debate between @Acts17David and @paleochristcon and come to your own conclusion.
I think everyone with decency and common sense will see what is going on.
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@isaiahrobinlive Yea ecclesiastes says its all meaningless. Youll be judged one day.
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