Arun

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Arun

Arun

@arunsdevine

John O'Shea at https://t.co/DbtC5fCiSX.

Bengaluru, India Присоединился Mayıs 2009
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Anthropic investors seem similar to ETH investors during peak crypto cycles where the entire point of apps above them is to enable extreme value capture at ETH layer.
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IT budgets of medium growth firms like BFSI are $1T+ and they don't operate on an ARR model - they hate variable costs. So much of this ARR + token spend is indistinguishable from crypto circle jerk
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If I am building an AI App, my incentive is to spend the least in token cost on COGS not the most. And be generous with R&D spends [i.e. token budgets for teams]. Also, ARR is also a terrible metric - it forces one to underwrite the buyer's business' and hence become a quasi-VC.
Hemant Mohapatra@MohapatraHemant

Some solid Q&A on seat vs usage vs outcome pricing for AI. Clearly, no perfect answers but it def made me fine-tune my POV. Views: > marginal cost of s/w = 0; marginal cost of AI is not. That alone implies you HAVE to find SOME way to correlate price to usage/COGS. > "but AI labs all do tiered pricing" - actually all AI-lab rev is token metered which is why every tier has rate limits, caps, model gating, etc. Labs are actually the strongest case _for_ token/usage pricing. > variable cost / task, but customers want predictability; agree - but true only for tasks that have median & mode usage within striking distance; in AI, power users can use 1000x median and seat pricing on variable COGS is a disaster. Needs to be _very_ carefully planned. > I recall "runaway" usage as a huge issue when we launch bigQuery at GCP; knee-jerk reaction was to limit use; what made BQ a $10B biz was still usage pricing but paired with account budgets, threshold alerts, dry-run estimates. That's a better approach (but harder for long-horizon / unbounded tasks I'd admit) > "why not do outcome based pricing" - imho, this _is_ usage/token based pricing, just metered at a higher order unit. It works best, again, when median vs mode are similar. e.g. say sierra charges 2$ / resolution, and resolution takes 2min (cost = 0.2$) or 2hrs ($12), the lose on the 2hr call (v low vol) and make money on the 2min call (v high vol). Unbounded agentic tasks need to be metered on usage. My best guess is that the real uncapped promise & value in AI is on agentic tasks. There is this idea of agentic frontier where if you are more human-assist / co-pilot, you'd end up preferring seat-based but over time as you start solving agentic problems, which is the true value of AI lies, you'd end up above the frontier and shift to usage based. The more unbounded & agentic the problem, the higher the preference for usage pricing. Harvey may be sitting below the frontier today, but will eventually move above.

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@Jason I’m in
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@jason@Jason·
We started an AI founder twitter group... reply with "I'm in" if you're a founder and want to be added
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@ponnappa Sirrr Claude code keeps writing to the wrong worktree when I have 3 CLI windows up. Leave alone replacing Elon with Claude
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Sidu Ponnappa@ponnappa·
yaar just run 2 agents in parallel first without slopping the f***k out of everything, then tweet your theories about "multi agent orchestration" allowing "founders to run many companies like elon"
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@toddsaunders It’s generally been more CAC than build costs.
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Todd Saunders
Todd Saunders@toddsaunders·
This is what I’ve been saying about the long tail vertical saas. There’s a supply problem. The demand for vertical depth is infinite, but the ability to serve it is structurally capped. At least right now :)
Marc Andreessen 🇺🇸@pmarca

Thesis: the problem with AI working in every domain = all the edge cases. Antithesis: domains with lots of edge cases = difficult & time consuming to practically impossible for error-prone people. Synthesis: such domains = where AI agents will do best. (Such as SAAS migration…)

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Arun@arunsdevine·
@illscience It’ll be more token-efficient to write a chrome plugin using Claude to generate such workflow outcomes. Those interfaces don’t change that often and you’d like higher gross margins
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@AmanKabeer11 You needed the SaaS pricing model since your up front cost to build was quite high so you amortised it over multiple customers. If your build cost has collapsed, you can just keep building bespoke solutions. Invest in internal infra that gets you build velocity and scale
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Aman Kabeer@AmanKabeer11·
@arunsdevine Interesting take, so the only way is AI-enabled services? Say more?
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Aman Kabeer@AmanKabeer11·
The biggest thing I’m still thinking through is how deep the app layer has to go to remain defensible vs labs Integration depth is no longer a moat, data is no longer a moat (computer use gets you alpha you missed wrt API-poor ecosystems) What’s left? How does app layer live?
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Arun@arunsdevine·
@ku1deep you can also spiced peanuts [congress kadale in bangalore] for the crunch.
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kuldeep@ku1deep·
@arunsdevine I replace eggs with chana and this is just perfect.
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@chribjel Woah. That screenshot is very useful to calculate ARR
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Christoffer Bjelke
Christoffer Bjelke@chribjel·
Why is under30ceo the source for this???
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@ashugarg The impact of Databricks/Snowflake on enterprise is poorly understood. Internal Audit of firms run a lot more on such Data Lakes than on ERP data. Which makes such Lakes the actual SoRs. And AI Agent shops will just write to Lakes and bypass the entire mess that is legacy ERP
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ashu garg@ashugarg·
The 2022 software selloff was about interest rates. This one is about terminal value: whether the business models that justify SaaS valuations remain valid at all. When agents do the work, nobody logs into the CRM anymore. The system of record goes from application to infrastructure. You don't need to rip out Salesforce to make it worth a fraction of what it is today. Who wins? We believe it will be AI-native startups, unburdened by legacy architecture, existing revenue to protect, and the incentives that lead incumbents to retrofit rather than reinvent. My full take in this month's B2BaCEO: foundationcapital.com/ideas/taking-s…
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kuldeep@ku1deep·
Can my friends point me to some examples of tweets where 1. Someone met a real business objective using AI 2. Is not hyping up what actually happened (almost 80% of these tweets lately are simple lies) 3. was not a expert at domain in which the outcome that was achieved. thanks.
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This is a likely model of how SAP and co gets screwed over by AI shops and data lakes. Since firms invest heavily in piping all data from sap into snowflake. ERPs _were_ the OG mothership which ran the enterprise. Not anymore.
BuccoCapital Bloke@buccocapital

Snowflake highlighting that companies are deleting software vendors and rebuilding workflows on top of their data in Snowflake Not sure they actually win this opportunity long-term, but interesting nonetheless

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@ponnappa And vibe-coding infra to help the firm improve on their own is the 10 min delivery of s/w
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Sidu Ponnappa
Sidu Ponnappa@ponnappa·
By 2027 any IT services co without substantial same-day/next-day delivery offerings is ngmi.
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Arun@arunsdevine·
@yrechtman @Citrini7 Doordash is a hyperlocal business and not a national business. Hence network effects claim is overdone. It might have economies of scale which is different from nfx. And barriers to entry on 2 sides has collapsed - demand aggregation and restaurants aggregation (toast etc)
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TBPN@tbpn·
Stripe CEO @patrickc predicts software will shift from "mass-produced, industrial scale" made "years beforehand" to bespoke, custom software created the moment you need it. "Up until now, the economics of software have been conceived of as fixed cost, then infinitely monetized. That has these kinds winner-take-all dynamics." "But once there are inference costs and custom creation involved, it really shifts."
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