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@Sub2seconds this photo is from fp3

@Sub2seconds they used the old floor all week

@Sub2seconds Don’t know if you wrote that but they used the old floor the whole weekend and not just for qual and race

@AeroTechVH they were testing the new and old floor at imola but they went with the new and I asked @dr_obbs but the images were bad. I guess they run the older spec for the higher speed corners, and they never tested the new floor at barca in any of the fp

@Hayw4rd You're right, they did use the first floor spec, had a look in getty archives That does not look good for them, very strange

#F1 #F1Tech 2025 🟧/🟥/🟦/⬛️ - Top 4 Post-TD Estimated Relative Downforce Levels (in 2024 WCC order) Beam Wings and Rear Wings are left out because they are changed and used to trim the overall downforce level for each car (along with ride height and suspension setup etc.) This can be a bit of a misleading chart, so a few disclaimers first: 🔸 estimates are just my own estimates, we have no way to get precise info from all teams 🔸 estimates are rated, not relative full downforce levels to each other (e.g I'd give old Sauber floor 1/10 on both ends) 🔸 estimated numbers are there to put a figure on the full picture that I will make in this post 🟧 Even though McLaren is the standout car this season, I'd not give their floor full 10/10 mark on front end. They have the biggest front wing of the field, and they managed to make it work with their floor - which is a different but equal aerodynamic challenge - and I believe this wing design provides the big part of front-end downforce actually. Car is very adaptable and has no weakness basically, its strengths are relative to the field each weekend and sometimes other teams manage to make the setup which maximises their own car. As I said before last weekend - they really shouldn't suffer that much from the TD (despite clearly less flexing of the front wing flaps now) and they didn't. 🟥 As I've explained several times, Ferrari's concept relies on front floor downforce generation and "trimming" the balance with rear end ride height mostly, to provide good traction when the setup isn't compromised. Because of this, Ferrari have reduced their front wing size (in front view) after 2022 and continued with original 2023 concept after their late-2024 change in Singapore. Ferrari's biggest problem remains the heavy setup compromise they make in each race, which sometimes manages to work better and sometimes not (like Miami). This setup compromise is always based on higher ride-heights since R03 in Suzuka and sometimes they also have to sacrifice low-speed performance in the race to be able to keep high-speed performance and avoid excessive tyre deg. If they manage to update their rear suspension properly in Austria or Silverstone, they could be a serious nuisance to McLaren on a regular basis. 🟦 RB21 is very much improved since Bahrain tests now and, relative to the field, in a much better state than RB20 was this time last year. In all honesty, Verstappen's penalty in Spain is therefore much worse - he really threw away at least 9 valuable points on Sunday. In my view, they may have a bit more balanced downforce distribution on the floor than McLaren and definitely have smaller front wing in frontal area - which is a pretty good indication of angles and downforce levels too. The weakness remains low-speed performance and traction to some extent. I don't think their deg and tyre management are a problem anymore, Miami/Imola package greatly improved overall rear end downforce stability and this directly helps to reduce tyre sliding and unstable management during the race. I am certain they didn't quite nail the setup in Barcelona, because the car should have been a bit closer in Q3 to pole position - just my personal opinion based on every race and development since Bahrain 2022. Having a completely different strategy makes it impossible to compare their race to McLaren. ⬛️ Mercedes made their best car relative to the front-runners with W16 in this regulation cycle. It started as the 2nd best car overall in the first few rounds. As Ferrari and Red Bull got on top of their setups and updates, Mercedes dropped back in relative performance. I believe they don't have the floor downforce level too far from McLaren, but using smaller wings typically (Barcelona was an outlier so far) reduces their overall downforce levels. Imola saw the updated TD-compliant front wing and new rear suspension, which was discarded for unknown period after that race. In Monaco they had a lot of trouble during 3 FP sessions and went into Q setup-blind. Russell was happy and not bad in Q1 (with old front wing!), but we were left short of true performance because of PU shutdown in Q2. In Barcelona, despite hotter temperatures (which are nowhere near as bi problem as they were in 2024), I believe they should have been clearly ahead of Ferrari if they weren't hit at all with front wing TD - but they were behind Ferrari in the race. Canada will give us all the remaining answers on their status, I was surprised they chose to use Monaco-level rear wing in Spain and I consider this a step towards balancing the car having the stiffer rear wing and requiring more rear downforce in high-speed to keep the balance as close to ideal as possible.

@AeroTechVH Is this not the keel kick from the Miami floor

@Hayw4rd That looks very much like Miami floor

@AeroTechVH it could only be the keel thats different, but they ran that spec all weekend

@Hayw4rd I didn't see that

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A lot of paraffin in FP1 of the #SpanishGP #formula1 . #xaviimages #aeroporn #f1technicalphotographer 📸 . #F1Tech #F1 #GrainingTech #formulaone 🏎️💨💨💨 .

@dr_obbs not a good photo but thats fp1

@dr_obbs went back to see after fp2, or at least the keel is not the miami spec

Latest qualifying and race simulations from the FOM data team. Red Bull not far off McLaren in qualifying trim. And the Max factor, he could be right there. The Merc race pace is very believable. I think they will be strong here. Not sure about the Ferrari single lap pace being behind the Williams and the Alpine? The Alpine has looked very good, but my feelings were this was possibly more due to higher engine settings. You can see from the corner analysis that they had the highest straight line speed which tells me they were turned up. But the Williams could be a genuine contender for Q3 and a good grid position!! IMO Red Bull have a lot of work to do over night. But I think they can get there and deliver a car that has good balance. The initial word is that the tyre deg looked pretty good on the long runs, so hopefully the upgrades have helped a bit on that side of things. I think McLaren will be untouchable here. But at a track that is tough to pass on, a P3 could be in the cards with the right strategy and herculean qualifying performance from Max. McLaren is McLaren. Just amazing engineering to get them so far in front. Friday running looked so impressive. The car looked balanced, and the best through variante alta. The corner analysis shows it as well. Although the Merc looks close here, the performance in the low speed, medium, and high...just dominant. Mercedes have clearly solved their warm weather issues. The car looks much better all around, and well balanced. A good Friday, but with some adjustments, an even better Saturday could be coming. Ferrari is a bit of enigma. A complete Jeckyl and Hyde. Not sure what we will get, but the data team doesn't seem convinced. Brakes are so important here, so can they find a solution there? Also, the kerb riding balance was horrid through Variante Tamburello. The data shows great straight line speed, but were the engines turned up? The low speed corner performance isn't great either. Lots of work to do over night. Williams could be in for a great result here. The car looked good, and very quick. Quite the departure from years past, but certainly a good sign. I would expect a top 10 finish here in Imola.

@dr_obbs he ran new floor fp1 then old fp2

@Hayw4rd I didn’t hear that. So not sure

@AeroTechVH How much do you think red bull can gain with a rear wing that backs off at high speed like the others?

#F1 #ChineseGP 2025 🟧/⬛️/🟦/🟥 - Q3 Full Analysis Very troublesome Q3 for everyone, the track has loads of grip now and it's easy to push too much too early (Verstappen the main suspect here) Piastri seems to have found the perfect balance across all sectors and truly nails the T14 hairpin - as does Hamilton again Shoutout to Russell with his final attempt, a stellar lap in what looks to be a W16 one-lap oriented setup. But we will see it all tomorrow in the race T16 again proved too much for SF25, but this time Hamilton didn't have the margin to keep a better position Tyre deg is key for tomorrow, it can't be overstated, some cars may easily get caught into doing an unwanted 4th stint if they push too much😳

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