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Rob Rohrs
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This is ridiculous
Once upon a time, a father gathered his children and said, “You have broken my law. Justice demands punishment. But because I love you, I will take the punishment upon myself. I will suffer, be humiliated, killed, and then rise again. This is my sacrifice for your sins,”
The children stood silent for a moment, then one asked, “Father, but who is this sacrifice to?”
He replied, “To uphold justice.”
“But whose justice?” the child pressed. “If you are the source of the law, the judge who enforces it, and the one paying the penalty, then nothing stands outside you. No creditor is being repaid. No higher standard is being satisfied. You are not constrained….you are deliberately and unnecessarily choosing this.”
Another child stepped forward. “ this isn’t a sacrifice in any meaningful sense. A sacrifice implies giving something up to another to resolve a real obligation. But here, nothing leaves your possession, nothing is transferred, and no external demand is met. You are staging suffering inside a system you fully control.”
The father said nothing.
“And more than that,” the first child continued, “you present this as necessary…as though forgiveness is impossible without blood. But if you are allpowerful, that cannot be true. You could forgive without violence, without death, without spectacle. So when you tell us this had to happen, you are asking us to accept a contradiction….that you are both unrestricted and yet bound by a rule you made.”
The children looked at him, now not with confusion, but clarity.
“You say this proves your love,” one said, “but it looks indistinguishable from a performance…an unnecessary display of suffering that resolves nothing outside your own decision to require it. And when you insist it was the only way, you shift the burden onto us, as if we are responsible for a system you designed entirely.”
Silence fell.
And in that silence, the ridiculousness of the story is revealed…
…This not a profound necessity, but a closed loop…where the author of the law creates the debt, demands the payment, pays it to himself, and calls it justice.
Any rational non-indoctrinated mind with intact logical and moral sensibilities,see clearly,that this story is complete nonsense.
Adam | Faithful Messenger@Adam_FaithfulM
In 1986, the American Medical Association published an article titled "The Physical Death of Jesus Christ". It details the entire process of Jesus' trial to His death on the cross. In Luke 22, before Jesus is arrested, it is written that He was in great distress & sweating blood. Although rare, it is recognized as Hematidrosis, a condition caused by high levels of stress. At the time, the crucifixion was considered the worst death for the worst of criminals. But this is not all Jesus faced. He endured whipping so severe that it tore the flesh from His body. He was beaten so horribly that His face was torn & His beard ripped. A crown of thorns, 2-3 inches long cut deeply into His scalp. The leather whip used to flog Him had tiny iron balls & sharp bones. The balls caused internal injuries while the sharp bones ripped open His flesh. His skeletal muscles, veins, & bowels are exposed, causing major blood loss. Most men do not survive this kind of torture. After Jesus was severely flogged, He was forced to carry His cross while people mocked & spat on Him. Crucifixion was a process meant to instill excruciating pain, creating a slow & agonizing death. Nails as long as 8 inches were driven into Jesus' wrists & feet. The Roman soldiers knew the tendons in the wrists would tear & break, forcing Jesus to use His back muscles to support Himself to breathe. Imagine the struggle, the pain, the courage...Jesus endured this reality for 3 hours! The Gospel of John writes that after Jesus' death, a Roman soldier pierced His side with a spear & blood & water came out. Scientists explain that from hypovolemic shock, the rapid heart rate causes fluid to gather in the sack around the lungs & heart. The accumulation of fluid in the membrane around the heart is called a Pericardial effusion & the lungs is called a pleural effusion. To the world, Christianity is as foolish as it can get. They believe it's for the weak. But when you are confronted by the reality of the cross, it's clearly not a pretty sight. It is brutal & horrific. This is the weight Jesus carried. The weight of the sins of the world, all so that we can live. God's wrath is fully satisfied in Jesus. This is what it took. Repent & believe! Jesus is “God among us” in the flesh. Jesus is our Savior. Jesus loves you so much that He went through this spiritual and physical punishment for your sins and mine. Jesus is the LORD, Almighty God, Everlasting Father. Thank You, Jesus.
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@randyjo93598077 That’s a disqualifying testimony. Just because you were taught a graceless Christianity doesn’t reflect on the real thing.
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@PhysicistTx Yes, the death penalty shows us in the Old Testament what is an affront to the image of God or God’s plan to fully restore us to His image. And in the New Testament, we have a greater grace which makes those death penalties moot.
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Not long ago, I posted this list of Bible verses.
A Christian replied “NONE OF THOSE ARE IN THE BIBLE!”
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No. When the Athenians asked Paul in Acts 17 if he was introducing a foreign God, his answer was actually no. And he proceeded to tell them what they got wrong and what they got right.
Your claim is a gross oversimplification of what the Bible actually says.
Also, while there is not a wholesale denial of the existence of other gods but besides that some pagans imperfectly grasp imperfectly the true God, other gods are understood to be actual spiritual entities that spiritual enemies of the one true God, and also created beings themselves in rebellion.
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if only religious people could understand this concept😅
🗣️ “Everyone is an atheist when it comes to most gods.”
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@LittonEd @Pellchinnn @Dav1536 @ProvisionistP Yes. If someone gives you a check to cover your bills, you still got to cash it and you still got to send it to your debtors.
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God loves everyone. 🌍
Christ died for everyone. 🩸
Everyone can believe. ✝️
Everyone can be saved. 💫
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@BahnsenProject @KurtEdward35669 @BlueGiant42 @ProvisionistP It has a range of meaning and your posted definition is not salvific Universalism that is relevant to these topics.
By your definition, Calvinism is Universalism because they say that everyone has sin, or that everyone is created by God.
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@BahnsenProject @ProvisionistP Well duh. Now say something relevant to the OP.
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Yes they should, and the Constitution doesn’t prohibit it since the establishment clause is about denominations and prohibiting the very specific body of Congress from doing something very specific to infringe on religious liberty. None of that is happening here and your religious rights aren’t infringed on for government officials to speak agreement with very good and true eternal truths.
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This is inappropriate. Government accounts should not be posting religious content.
This isn’t Iran.
Homeland Security@DHSgov
Luke 23:46 On this solemn day, we reflect on the ultimate sacrifice our Savior made for all humanity. Trust in God’s plan.
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Yeah, what’s your point? You mean at one point there was sibling marriage when it was neither immoral (because there was no law of God against it at the time), nor was it genetically detrimental, (because there would be no deleterious recessive mutations)?
Or are you Ignoring that the Bible literally says that Adam and Eve had daughters?
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@Atomixion2 @Murray_2nd @AtheistTakes I’m sure you have your cherry picked reasons. No. Paul is a Jew and their concept of resurrection is physical. Jesus is our risen Lord, not some abstracted myth.
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@RobRohrs @Murray_2nd @AtheistTakes yes he did.
yes it is.
yes it does.
paul says jesus is an angel who was killed in outerspace by demons. thats a celestial jesus.
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@AshkerNms @hellogames Sure. Ambassador habs seem to be for Geks, the beds are so short. The titan class has clearly got a Klingon feel appropriate for Vy’keen. And Thunderbird habs, by elimination would be for the Korvex.
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Just an idea. @hellogames should have put some lore into corvettes parts. I want to know what is gek's design. How technical Korvax build them... How aggressive and sharp Vykeen's pieces are. Bring some civ's style in the future 👋
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No, Paul didn’t say that. And the passage from Peter was not addressing the non existent claim that Jesus never existed. He’s clearly saying he was an eye witness to the transfiguration.
As for Josephus, literary analysts don’t suggest that everything he said was added, only the statements that imply he’s a Christian. But He did mention Jesus and His followers.
“Celestial Christians…” no such thing. That is more made up with far less evidence than for the actual early Christian community which didn’t follow angels and is easily fits the ancient Jewish Messianic tradition.
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Youve read nobody. Youre pulling shit out of your internet ass.
That these scholars find it PLAUSIBLE (and many of agree jesus is a myth) means it is NOT flat earth tier, but a respectable position to take seriously.
"Had Jesus not existed, people would’ve known"
They did know. Thats why 2 peter was forged, to respond to the original celestial christians. Likewise the ignatian creed. its also why christians doctored josephus qnd tacitus because people did know there was no evidence.
paul explicitly says we only know about jesus from scripture and revelation. all of your retarded, uninformed ideas are addressed in the studies.
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I’ve never seen a more helpful proposed community note in my life
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I’m straight
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@mcsquared34 If someone is good at creating wealth, which means employing multitudes who support economies of even more people, why put a cap on that?
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On the contrary, Jesus who said that not one jot or bottle would fall from the law and prophets demonstrated what He meant by that. This was the sermon on the mount, and in the sermon on the mount, He went to deeper principles of the law or used the law as a starting point to assert His greater authority (quoting Moses who would always say “Thus says the Lord, but Jesus would say quoting Moses “you have heard it said… but I say to you…”)
The New covenant was anticipated by Moses who said another would come like him, another law giver. And Jeremiah 32 said that this New Law, a New Covenant would “not be like” the old one which was written on stone. Instead it was written on the heart. And that’s the transference we see in the sermon on the mount, a shift from the external of the old law to the internal of the New Law. So Jesus said that while the law says “don’t murder” He said that hating a brother is like murder. While the law said do not commit adultery, Jesus said that looking at a woman lustfully is committing adultery. The shift is toward the inner life, the heart.
Paul continues to spell things out articulating what Jesus could not, as Jesus said that He couldn’t tell His disciples everything and they’d have to wait for the Holy Spirit. Paul says the Law is like a former spouse now that we are released from as this spouse has died. And yet Paul still mentioned that his Bible, the Old Testament was “God breathed,” and still “useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."
We don’t follow the law literally, we look to it for deeper principles. And sometimes the expectations of the deeper principle and literal law overlap. We aren’t ever justified in murder after all.
As for “cherry picking,” no, what I told you is still precisely in scripture, Paul said that whether or not one observes the Sabbath or every day as Holy is personal conscience. You are cherry picking to ignore this.
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@RobRohrs @bklnfin3st Nice.....but jesus said he came not to change laws but fulfil it.....he himself taught in synagogues on Saturdays.....you guys Cherry picked the one time he did not and thought it was a standard......that's why people never take your religion seriously sin 6 days pretend on one
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It’s also a sin to work on saturdays, have sex before marriage, wear multi colored cloth etc
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Jaden Ivey says it is a sin for a man to lie with another man.
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It is an affront. The very next thing that is said in the book that tells us we are created in the image of God is that “male and female created He them.” God’s design for marriage is a relationship that reflects Him most deeply. And that is not ours to alter according to our broken desires or identities.
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@RobRohrs @masonmennenga @rcgwelsh Nothing about being LGBT is "brokenness" or a sin in any way.
Oh, and delete yourself. You're an affront to God honey. 😘
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100% of LGBTQ people are created in the image of god
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