@atrupar No we won’t because they will bring every country in the region that facilitates us down with them
Marshall understands this, but he needs to manage the dimmer and more bellicose part of his base, which is fine
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Wise Mountain Ape
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Sen. Roger Marshall on Iran: "If they don't get it done in 60 days, they may become glass ... we could really bomb them back to the dark ages just in two weeks"
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Iran fought against 10 countries by itself and won
Incredible
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@policytensor Ready for prime time. (Pakistan still needs polishing)
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Impressive. I must say even I have underestimated Iranian leverage and strategy. They got game.
Drop Site@DropSiteNews
Lebanese journalist Hadi Hoteit says no Israeli attacks have been recorded on the Lebanon frontlines for more than five hours following Hezbollah’s last response (rockets/missiles) to an Israeli violation overnight.
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@Iamdelitchkeeng @adamjohnsonCHI I’ll say “maybe we shouldn’t have started that war with Iran Bibi sold that every president for the last twenty years laughed out of the room until now. It didn’t leave us looking great!”
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@adamjohnsonCHI And when China sees the US at a particularly weak point because of this and kill thousands of Taiwanese what are you gonna say then?
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I haven’t seen a beltway meltdown like this since Biden pulled out of Afghanistan. Both are correct, both avoid sunk-cost fallacy and both are simply acknowledging objective reality rather than engaging in the blob’s preferred delusion of open-ended hostility and war profiteering
TIME@TIME
"Almost no one in Washington seems particularly excited about this deal," writes @Philip_Elliott on the Iran ceasefire deal for The D.C. Brief time-magazine.visitlink.me/5aCu3H
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@RealMikeyBrown @adamjohnsonCHI Lmao in both cases it was Republicans who started the war to begin with
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@adamjohnsonCHI In both wars, it's Trump negotiating the truce and Democrats whining about it. Biden tried to stall on the withdrawal, he didn't want to leave, but he was forced into a Saigon withdrawal when the Taliban chased us out.
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@HistoryBoomer We (hopefully) get access to a huge market and the end of a decades-long beef of which most Americans under 55 probably couldn’t tell you the source. I’ll take it!
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@policytensor Every nation we don’t get along with is duty bound to stand naked before her enemies (even when she’s just demonstrated our incapacity to disarm her)
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See the look on her face when she says “You think Iran needs to be able to defend itself?”
It says: “How dare you sir? Only genocidal regimes have the right to defend themselves. Do you not know the fucking rules?”
Aaron Rupar@atrupar
KAITLAN COLLINS: Are you okay with Iran having missiles? SEN. ROGER MARSHALL: I prefer that they not, but they have to defend themselves COLLINS: You think Iran needs to be able to defend itself? MARSHALL: I do, otherwise we turn this into a forever war
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@claycaldonian @kenklippenstein “We”’re not, investors are, in the expectation of turning a handsome profit by getting in early on a massive market and educated work force. The rest is their own frozen funds and reparations from the Arabs who facilitated the aggression.
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I think it’s just really frustrating for Americans who have dealt with 10% real inflation per year high gas prices and expensive wars for Israel and the epstein class to now have to spend 300b to reconstruct Iran which was destroyed for no reason and will cause yet more inflation. It’s so tiring
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you can quibble with the specific amount i guess but to oppose reconstruction in principle is crazy. We reconstructed Germany after WWII!
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Ken Klippenstein@kenklippenstein
do not understand the backlash against the (proposed) Iran reconstruction fund. Reconstruction is a normal way to end a war!
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@thirty313 @kenklippenstein We’re not paying them anything. We’re giving back the money we’ve kept frozen in escrow (ie stolen) for years. The $300 billion is private investment.
Now, the United Arab Satrapies, nee Emirates? They’re paying for their mistakes.
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@kenklippenstein People are barely able to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads and now we have to pay even more for a war we never should have had to pay for in the first place. It's not that hard to understand.
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@kenklippenstein And we’ve been stealing their assets for years, and inflicting the most grotesquely baroque sanctions regime, and purposely immiserating their population in an intentional attempt to stoke a violent revolution. Have they done bad shit? Yes! Have they been relentlessly provoked?
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The war against Iran was doomed from the start. President Donald Trump, alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, launched this war without clear objectives and without making the case to the American people or the Congress. Thirteen American servicemembers have been killed and hundreds more have been injured. The war has claimed the lives of countless civilians, including scores of Iranian schoolgirls killed in the early days of the war. President Trump’s conflict has cost our country dearly. We have spent billions in taxpayer dollars on military aircraft, equipment, missiles, and munitions. American families are left paying the price at gas pumps and grocery stores.
The President should never have started this war, and I am glad to see that there may be a negotiated end to the conflict.
As I told Secretary Rubio earlier this month, I am open to hearing the administration’s case for this agreement and that if there is a deal, I would approach it with a fair mind. I meant it.
Matters of war and peace must rise above partisan politics. Democrats must not replicate Republicans’ irresponsible opposition to the Obama Administration’s Iran nuclear agreement, which placed real constraints on Iran’s nuclear program before President Trump foolishly tore it up, setting the stage for this disastrous war.
The administration must fully inform the Congress on the details of the U.S.-Iran Memorandum of Understanding, outlining the administration's goals during the 60-day ceasefire period and what is required of all parties, including Israel, to ensure the ceasefire holds as negotiations continue.
We must deliver to the American people a permanent end to this conflict. The nation does not want the United States involved in yet another forever war in the Middle East.
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@policytensor I think you underestimate how much care the Iranian government is taking not to inflame the right flank. The Persian version of Lindsay Graham is not crazy about this deal (or rather, the idea of a deal with Donald J. Trump.)
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I do not agree: “Qalibaf would not have consented to a photo op with Vance.” Why do you assert that?
Gregory Brew@gbrew24
In the end, rather than have a ceremony in Geneva with nominal deputies (Vance and Qalibaf), Iran and the US opted to have the agreement signed simultaneously by heads of government (President Trump and President Pezeshkian), with footage of the event. A move to ensure the MOU is seen as credible, and likely another concession to Iran--Qalibaf would not have consented to a photo op with Vance.
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@SeanTrende @jimmygandhi Anyone who thinks “apocalyptic mullahs” at this point is actively retarded (and no one in the Pentagon, State or intelligence—including Israeli intelligence—believes it.) All you have to do is look at how tightly and strategically they controlled their escalation through this.
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@jimmygandhi Right. And the smart conservative critique is lol no they will just build a bomb and at this point it will be impossible to stop them. And which side is correct mostly depends on whether you think they're more rational state actors or more apocalyptic mullahs at heart.
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The smart conservative critique of JCPOA wasn’t that Iran would cheat, it that they wouldn’t and would use the $$ and easing of sanctions to build up conventional forces to the point where it would be impossible to stop them when the agreement expired. And here we are.
OSINTtechnical@Osinttechnical
Trump says that Iran will retain its ballistic missile force. "They hurt a little location but they dont blow up the planet"
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@SeanTrende They barely got any relief before Trump pulled out and then we spent eight years trying to choke them to death. And here we are.
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@colwight He did that the night he came out and said “regime change” and tried to collapse the government, pushing them into playing their ace in the hole. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Trump has just handed control of the global economy over to Iran. And ignoring everything he says in the art of the deal he’s admitted it.
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@JessicaTarlov @JohnJHarwood No it’s not. It’s embarrassing that we had to be punched in the nose in order to do what we should have done out of our own self-interest years ago, but it’s a win/win.
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@Max_Fisher It’s fucking beautiful watching these bloodthirsty creeps’ decades-long dreams crumble into dust after seeing them intentionally destroy one diplomatic opening after another for 25 years to get to this point
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It’s very funny that ten years ago beltway chickenhawks adopted an unachievable phony demand to justify opposing the JCPOA, Trump didn’t realize it was fake and fought a war to get it, discovered it was unachievable, and is now giving the chickenhawks the worst day of their lives
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@ZaidJilani No, they wanted us to blow up every power plant and water tank in the country, thus provoking Iran into retaliating and ending civilized human habitation of the Arabian Peninsula. Having turned the region into failed state disasters, Israel could reign unchallenged.
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Israel is angry at the United States for Trumps deal, but what was the alternative? Did Israel want us to send 150,000 troops into Iran and endure thousands of casualties for them?
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@NikkiHaley We didn’t hit their sites, we hit rocks that they quickly swept aside
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Hitting Iran’s nuclear and missile sites was the right move. This regime chants death to America, murders our troops, and attempts to assassinate Americans on U.S. soil. They believe they have an obligation to destroy us.
Now, we plan to unlock billions of dollars and lift sanctions, with the promise of even more money. They will use that money the way they always do— to further their nuclear ambitions and on terrorist proxies against us. It’s a huge mistake to pay to rebuild the threat we just destroyed.
The Kobeissi Letter@KobeissiLetter
BREAKING: The US has released the full text of its 14-point "Memorandum of Understanding" with Iran. Key terms include: 1. The US, Iran, and their allies agree to immediately and permanently end military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon 2. The US and Iran agree to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity and not interfere in each other's internal affairs 3. The US and Iran commit to negotiating and reaching a final deal within 60 days, unless mutually extended 4. The US will begin removing its naval blockade immediately and fully end the blockade within 30 days 5. Iran will use its best efforts to ensure safe passage for commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz for 60 days with no charge 6. The US and regional partners will develop a mutually agreed plan of at least $300 billion for Iran's reconstruction and economic development 7. The US will work toward terminating all types of sanctions against Iran, including UN, IAEA, primary, and secondary sanctions 8. Iran reaffirms that it will not procure or develop nuclear weapons and agrees to address its enriched material stockpile under IAEA supervision 9. Until a final deal is reached, Iran will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program, while the US will impose no new sanctions and deploy no additional forces 10. The US Treasury will issue waivers for Iranian crude oil, petroleum products, derivatives, and associated banking, insurance, and transportation services 11. The US will make frozen or restricted Iranian funds and assets fully available for use 12. The US and Iran will establish an executive mechanism to monitor implementation of the MOU and future compliance with the final deal 13. After signing the MOU and implementing key ceasefire, blockade, shipping, oil waiver, and asset-release provisions, the US and Iran will begin final deal negotiations 14. The final deal will be endorsed by a binding UN Security Council resolution The memorandum will trigger a 60-day window to negotiate a final deal.
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@bigseb31213 Your mistake is thinking every problem has a ready solution
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This is also something extremely alarming. The decision to go to war was political, but this was always the single most likely war for the US to fight on the planet. We should have had voluminous plans on what to do, every permutation intensively wargamed out
Christopher W. Jones@cwjones89
The failure to keep Hormuz open is a military failure. The US military had 35 years to plan for this. And their plan was to sink the Iranian Navy. Using ships + submarines was Iran's plan for closing Hormuz 20 years ago. But not today, which is why most ships never left port.
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