Chris Loftson

@Abathurchan @StunProdStud "If the tradcaths are correct, the tradcaths are correct. However, have you considered if the protestants are correct, the protestants are correct?" Wow. Incredible.

@StunProdStud Only if the tradcaths are right, but then again, a Protestant would already disagree on the nature of communion anyway.

Daily reminder.

@PiusGroyper @IncredPapist_ No, because you aren’t the appointed authority to mete out such punishment.

@IncredPapist_ I’m not saying that they don’t have any temporal punishment to receive, but that doesn’t mean we can kill them or harm them in any way. Is it cool if I punch people walking out of confession to help them do penance?

The death penalty does not “definitively deny criminals the chance to reform”. In fact, it calms the mind and calls it to contemplation and repentance. The death penalty is a mercy to the condemned, just as much as to the victim and to society at large.

@Alice_Mary96 @athabaskanelite @Osarseph0 @ElijahElishaRap I’m saying there’s a spectrum within ultramontanism. These terms, “minimal”, “moderate”, are relative.

@CLoftson85537 @athabaskanelite @Osarseph0 @ElijahElishaRap Try to promote Bossuet's 4 Articles in the ultramontane church and see how far you'll come. There is nothing moderate about "papal minimalism". The moderates were banished in 1870 when the ultramontanes created a new faith.

Or, on the other hand, maybe papal infallibility is practically incoherent and no one knows what it really is. Gasser’s Relatio at Vatican 1 says there has been ‘thousands upon thousands’ of ex cathedra dogmatic judgments, while most Catholics today can only point to two ex cathedras on Marian dogmas, and some will also quibble about Humanae Vitae and Ordinatio Sacerdotalis. And then modern canon law says nothing is infallible unless it’s manifestly clear—which is also extremely vague. And basically anything which seems like an infallible statement by Gasser’s standards is always coped away ‘It’s not definitive’, ‘it’s prudential’, ‘it’s not faith and morals’ (death penalty??) So modern Catholic disourse is caught in a maelstrom of what was defined to be basically papal maximalism struggling in an environment where adopting such a stance would lead to what is essentially intellectual suicide given modern Popes.

@Alice_Mary96 @athabaskanelite @Osarseph0 @ElijahElishaRap Actually there is, because there’s a spectrum of positions on the extent of papal authority and on the way in which he can exercise it. Minimalism as it has been used as of late in this particular circle is defined in relation to a view of nearly unrestricted papal powers.

@CLoftson85537 @athabaskanelite @Osarseph0 @ElijahElishaRap There is no Vatican I minimalism. You either accept the council as it stands or you move on. They excommunicated Döllinger for rejecting Papal Absolutism and for holding true to Constance and Basel.

@Alice_Mary96 @athabaskanelite @Osarseph0 @ElijahElishaRap That’s not what Elijah is getting at.

@athabaskanelite @Osarseph0 @ElijahElishaRap "How do I avoid obeying the pope" Master class of ultramontane theology.

@Osarseph0 It’s not that hard. It’s just that since Vatican II almost no one bothers to study and understand the matter. When in doubt, consult John Joy who has laid it out for us.

@whpub @PatOLeary1 Nicaea proves you wrong. The text you referred to literally records the existence of the practice.

It’s about bending the knee: “we do not bend the knee [on Pentecost], because it is of equal significance with the Lord’s day” (Irenæus, Fragments, Fragment 7). “We count fasting or kneeling in worship on the Lord’s day to be unlawful. We rejoice in the same privilege also from Easter to Whitsunday” (Tertullian, De Corona, Chapter 3 (204 A.D.)) Bending the knee was unlawful on Sundays in the early church. Genuflection literally means bending the knee. Therefore genuflection is not an ancient tradition. It’s a medieval tradition from the late 11th century.

False. Bending the knee on Sunday, and on any day from Easter to Pentecost, was prohibited in the ancient church. (Nicæa canon 20). whitehorseblog.com/2014/11/23/its…

@johnamonaco @CatholicSmark He does but has added a lot of random political and current events commentary.

@CatholicSmark Wait, is Lofton not doing Church stuff anymore?

Now that Francis is dead, the Catholic influencers are onto a new grift

@MosinTheCath What? He flipped his position?

@CLoftson85537 I return 2 years later to say that Fr Rooney is a Universalist of the "hopeful" kind

Working on a discord library against universalism. DM if interested in discussing it. Scruplebros and those struggling with universalism need not apply.

@ChudThomist @DoorDashThomist It’s at least the case that censures in globo are not terribly helpful.

@DoorDashThomist I’m not a jansenist but like it’s obvious to everyone that unigenitus was horribly written.

Always remember that 95% of the people who will call you a “Jansenist” haven’t read a single word of Jansen’s corpus. They probably can’t even name the Popes or magisterial documents that actually condemned Jansen.

@AFFreestater @assignedgoy @VeryTastyCactus @radtradcathguy @FeelsGuy2003 @timotheeology Vatican I and its immediate aftermath.

I’m just giving you my experience. I don’t think I’m in any position to be speaking on behalf of Orthodoxy. Sorry if you’re looking for a debate but I try my best to avoid saying anything that will misrepresent my faith. I’ve also never heard anybody but Tim teach papal minimalism. Most RC’s bend themselves in a pretzel trying to defend anything ridiculous the pope says. Genuinely asking, where else have you seen this taught?

Bro got so tired of getting slapped around on theology that he decided to pack it in 😭✌️

@AFFreestater @VeryTastyCactus @radtradcathguy @FeelsGuy2003 @timotheeology Dyer is not and has never been good on the papacy as a topic. He should stick to St. Maximus or the Cappadocians or whatever.

@VeryTastyCactus @radtradcathguy @FeelsGuy2003 The only RC apologist that I like and respect at this point is @timotheeology. Him and Dyer on Elijah were fantastic. I tried to stay RC by trying to buy into his papal minimalism schtick but I couldn’t convince myself over hours of Dyers content.

@OrthoBroGeorg @Adriana19Flower @HisWillProtects @DefiantBaptist @pearlythingz By efficacious I mean the grace of the sacrament being operative. The grace isn’t going to be bad in some people. Even those within the Church can place an impediment because of sin, thus rendering the sacrament inefficacious. That is, they are not sanctified by the sacrament.

@CLoftson85537 @Adriana19Flower @HisWillProtects @DefiantBaptist @pearlythingz To make up distinctions and think that Jesus lets valid sacraments happen in schismatics groups just for them to not be efficacious is so retarded. Christ can only be efficacious (also in a bad way).

In part one of @pearlythingz’s discussion with an Orthodox deacon, she pressed him about what the church is doing to protect men from predatory women. He starts off with the standard line that if men would just fulfill their duty as husbands, the wives will not rebel. This is obviously not always true, as Pearl points out. To his credit, he does say that a woman that transifies her kid should be divorced. (Please clap.) So then, the deacon pivots to, “Well, men having to pay child support to an evil ex-wife isn’t all that bad.” That is simply mind-blowing since missing child support payments can land you in JAIL. Pearl does not allow him to minimize this issue. And finally, realizing that this is not a winning path that he’s on, the deacon goes back to a male sin: men that beat their wives. 😑 This is, unfortunately, the way these conversations typically go. There is a 99.9% focus on male responsibility and accountability. Link: youtu.be/tZqUB2ZYjb8

@JordanBVide0s @countmaculad You just quoting him saying to stop caring who goes there. So stop focusing on those trads.

@countmaculad “you just stop caring about all this stuff, and the appearances, or who goes there” LOL, tell that to the “trads” who are consumed with the Novus Ordo not being licit and make “who goes where” their entire personality. That’s the “trads” doing that, not Novus Ordo Catholics.

Nick’s stance towards “traditional Catholicism” is the midwit take. Retards start off loving the larp, then they become irony bros and love to pride themselves as “normal” in the Novus Ordo( which compared to larpy chuds, they are more normal lol); but then eventually you grow up, you just stop caring about all this stuff, and the appearances, or who goes there, or how others will perceive you, etc.: You just care about what’s better, and what God likes and what he doesn’t like. And so you go to TLM.

@OrthoBroGeorg @Adriana19Flower @HisWillProtects @DefiantBaptist @pearlythingz You made the claim that valid apostolic succession alone implies efficacious sacraments. This is false. The sacraments cannot be efficacious for schismatics.

@CLoftson85537 @Adriana19Flower @HisWillProtects @DefiantBaptist @pearlythingz So the sacraments are efficacious but I made this up. Ok.

@ClassicalTheis @crawlings13 Wake me up when he dusts off the fanon.

@crawlings13 I do

Nobody cares, man.

@OrthoBroGeorg @Adriana19Flower @HisWillProtects @DefiantBaptist @pearlythingz Sure. A Catholic under those rare circumstances can receive certain sacraments from that clergy, provided the Catholic does not adhere to schism. The Catholic would only approach the schismatic for the valid sacraments because of the impossibility of approaching a Catholic priest

@CLoftson85537 @Adriana19Flower @HisWillProtects @DefiantBaptist @pearlythingz Orthodox clergy is guilty of schism so this canon shouldn't be possible according to you.

@OrthoBroGeorg @Adriana19Flower @HisWillProtects @DefiantBaptist @pearlythingz x.com/erickybarra3/s…

@CLoftson85537 @Adriana19Flower @HisWillProtects @DefiantBaptist @pearlythingz They are efficacious according to your canon law (Can. 844 §2). Valid apostolic succession also implies this. Submit to Rome. canonlawabstracts.uk/html/code_of_c… christianunity.va/content/unitac…

@JustinusRomanus @mugjudge But that’s not what it was doing, was it? Also, my understanding is that some Anglicans get ordained conditionally.

@mugjudge Lets just say I'm skeptical that determining the validity of this or that man's orders is any more of a dogmatic fact than a pope issuing a declaration of nullity for a marriage is.

I, Mugjudge, by my authority, hereby declare that every Anglican is now authorized to use the following declaration whenever Apostolicae Curae is quoted at them by a Catholic on X, so they can understand what effect the Pope's authority in this matter has on us.

@OrthoBroGeorg @Adriana19Flower @HisWillProtects @DefiantBaptist @pearlythingz Yes.

@CLoftson85537 @Adriana19Flower @HisWillProtects @DefiantBaptist @pearlythingz Open apostasy by praying in syn4gõgues and mosques is also just his own problem?