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Yefet Cohen, Samaritan communal leader and the curator of the Samaritan museum speaking to Pavel Bernstein: "The Most High chose the name - Israel (Jacob). Israel doesn't [exclusively] belong to the Samaritans, nor to the Jews. There is no Samaritan religion, just as really, there is no Jewish religion. We are [both] the Nation of Israel."
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To be clear, Jacob has absolutely no clue on what the consensus view of the Samaritan community is are on Ashkenazi Jewish indigeneity. He just posts a hearsay anecdote about what a Jewish person said 'all the Samaritans were saying' in 1967, and claims to speak for all of them. The NYT in 2021 reported on about the nuances of Samaritan identity; a Samaritan they interviewed said he identified as a Palestinian and an Arab growing up, but came to strongly support Israel because he believes Israel preserves the existence of the Samaritan community. The NYT mentioned both Samaritan Likud voters and Samaritan members of the PLO. nytimes.com/2021/08/22/wor…. The general tenor of the article is that the Samaritans seem to have more cultural similarities with the Palestinians, but are treated well by Israel and many see support for the state as being in their interest. Regardless, it appears that the community straddles both sides of the Israel-Palestine conflict, and its views cannot be summed up in the reductive and frankly disrespectful manner Jacob attempts to. If one wanted to figure out what Samaritans think about these issues, one would have to carry out a detailed anthropological study, not just meme.

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Abraham Ash / 𐤀𐤁𐤓𐤄𐤌@Historycourses·
Jews and Germans are more similar than Jews and Arabs, and when you point it out to either group they get *very* touchy
Yiran 🚆@kroketrendang

Groups that have high similarity but are really insecure about it: - Jews and Arabs - Indians and Pakistanis - Moroccans and Algerians - British and Irish - Koreans and Japanese - Greeks and Turks - Thai and Laotians - Vietnamese and Cambodians - Indonesians and Malaysians

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History Speaks@History__Speaks·
Iranian Americans are much likelier to support the war than those in Iran, given their demos - e.g. 11% are Jewish, 89% of whom are pro-war - & safety from the war. And even among Iranian Americans, the pro-war majority (58%) is modest. A robust convergence of evidence shows that Iranians in Iran oppose the war, despite attempts by war pigs in the West to speak for them.
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Ale@AleJohnson242·
@uricohenisrael 1. She's 17 2. No one gets respect by selling their women 3. Her appeal to the lonely twitter crowd was precisely that she didn't look like a tiktok chick
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The Uri@uricohenisrael·
The Israeli barista from Bibi’s video just posted her first tiktok!
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Ale@AleJohnson242·
@l3v1at4an Didn't spend any time looking into it, but this can mean numerous things. For example, there is a region of Syria called Jazira
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Leviathan@l3v1at4an·
Only in Southern Ontario is where you would find a restaurant called “AlJazeera” 💀🤣
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Ale@AleJohnson242·
@Wurmserscribit Is this why surnames like Eskenazi/Ashkenazi, Mizrokhi, Sfard, Litvak etc exist? They were meant to commemorate one's previous tradition? I understand you're countering unfounded claims of racism, but let's drop the bs
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David Wurmser@Wurmserscribit·
Because Ashkenazi is defined ultimately by the way the laws and traditions are followed, not by ethnicity. A Jew from Spain(Sephardi) that left to the Pale in 1492 and adopted Ashkenazi traditions defining by that area is an Ashkenazi, no matter what his family origin was. If you knew anything about Judaism, you’d also know that the line between geographic origin and tradition is not a hard line. It is not in US DEI terms a white vs brown thing. You’d also know that being Jewish is the dominant identity, not Sephardi, Yemeni or Ashkenazi or whatever. Otherwise, please explain to me how the most popular leader and inspiration among Sephardi Jews in 1977 was Menahem Begin, who was culturally as Polish as they come?
Maurice "Lil Moe" Williams@lilmoemusic

@ashira_solomon How are they Ashkenazi then?

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Ale@AleJohnson242·
@slooterman @agraybee If your ancestors didn't survive the Rhineland massacres, you're not Ashkenazi
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Sara Luterman@slooterman·
@agraybee There are Ashkenazi synagogues. The issue is that “Ashkenazi” is a rite/worship and tradition structure and not a race. “Ashkenazi” isn’t an interchangeable concept with “white” or even “European.”
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Stochastic Statistician@StochasticStat1·
@KenanPerry @AleJohnson242 @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks If you look back at how I entered this discussion, you'll see that my point was that going back thousands of years to stake claims to land today is insane: x.com/StochasticStat…
Stochastic Statistician@StochasticStat1

@davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks I'm an Ashkenazi Jew, and my family lived in Eastern and Central Europe for as far back as I can trace. Saying we're indigenous to the Levant because 50% of our ancestors lived there 2000 years ago is just ideology. We have a much more direct, real connection to Europe.

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History Speaks@History__Speaks·
I would consider Armenians indigenous to Palestine, even as they descend from the south caucasus, because of their long unbroken presence there. European Jews are clearly not. Completely different culture, etc.
Kegham Balian@kbalian90

The Armenian presence in Jerusalem has existed for over 1,700 years, continuously and uninterruptedly. My family alone has been in Jerusalem for more than a century. Counter offer: Why don't you go fuck yourself?

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Ale@AleJohnson242·
Buddy, drop the vague, emotional words. You're from a hard discipline, not the humanities. "Foreigners" has a context specific denotation and then connotations. Your ancestors would not be offended if they were told they're foreign to Europe because their ancestors arrived from Israel. They could only be offended if they were told this precluded them from being loyal citizens. Some Western Ashkenazim would've been furthermore offended if they were told that this precluded some level of cultural assimilation. None were offended by the dry implications of this word about their own history.
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Ale@AleJohnson242·
@YMaleante @TaliaRinger @History__Speaks Next time someone in my immediate family makes a racial comment about me, I'll be sure to say: "Just admit it. We aren't family".
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Yassin Maleante@YMaleante·
@TaliaRinger @History__Speaks Just admmit that jews ain't an ethnic group. They aren't. They are a religious group, they just pretend they are en ethnic group to colonize Palestine
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History Speaks@History__Speaks·
I thought all Israelis of the Jewish faith were the same "Judean" ethnic group? I keep being told that when I say European Jews are European, Yemeni Jews are Arabian, Ethiopian Jews are Ethiopian, etc. But then I find that Israelis don't seem to believe it themselves.
Cirta.@AlterCirta

🇲🇦🇮🇱 | « Nous savons d’où viennent nos Marocains… d’Afrique, des 𝗯𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝗶𝗻𝘀.» ​Ziv Agmon, conseiller de Netanyahu, est au cœur d'une polémique après avoir insulté des élus de « marocains attardés » et fustigé le tourisme au Maroc qui aurait révélé leur origine africaine.

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Stochastic Statistician@StochasticStat1·
@davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks I'm an Ashkenazi Jew, and my family lived in Eastern and Central Europe for as far back as I can trace. Saying we're indigenous to the Levant because 50% of our ancestors lived there 2000 years ago is just ideology. We have a much more direct, real connection to Europe.
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Mahamadou Diallo
Mahamadou Diallo@MahamadouD23222·
@AleJohnson242 @JonahPlatt It says where their DNA comes from. 😂. I don't need a DNA test to know a black Ethiopian jews in Africa is closer to me than a white dude in Europe and vice versa. 🤡
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Jonah Platt@JonahPlatt·
Jews aren't white. We're not technically a race at all — we precede and exceed this Western social construct. The majority of Israel's population doesn't even present as white. These are people from Ethiopia, Morocco, Yemen, Algeria, Asia, South America — all over the place. Jews are not from Europe. Jews are from Judea, which is modern-day Israel.
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