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I unironically love woke patriotism, I love appropriating the things chuds care about and turning them against them. Why should they get to own America, they're the ones who suck
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Kenan Perry 🟣
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Kenan Perry 🟣
@KenanPerry
The first openly gay failson 🏳️🌈✡️ Israeli-American and no happier about it than you are, he/him
San Francisco, CA Katılım Ekim 2013
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@firebat4689 @TrueSlazac @inkstainedlover @MarxoidNess It's literally a W for Israel, people like the Houthis would rather strengthen Israel than be less antisemitic at home
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@TrueSlazac @inkstainedlover @MarxoidNess Yes, they lived there for thousands of years and have only been kicked out *now* because they are suspected of loyalty to Zionism.
Another big L for Israel.
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if east and southeast asians held up a banner that said “curse on the japanese” during ww2 i wouldnt be particularly alarmed
Zac B 🇺🇦🇵🇸@ZacB_MN
Leftists will look you dead in the eye and tell you defending this is not anti-semitic
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@Resist9Rise @TrueSlazac @inkstainedlover @MarxoidNess "Jews are a threat because they might emigrate to Palestine and take part in the genocide of Palestinians, therefore we must expel them and force them to emigrate to Palestine" incredible
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@TrueSlazac @inkstainedlover @MarxoidNess Yeah because the very few who remain are still a potential threat. After most of them emigrated back then and took part in the genocide of Palestinians.
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@TrueSlazac @inkstainedlover @MarxoidNess Saudi Arabia and Israel are American outposts in the Middle East and Yemen has been subject to a horrible invasion by the Saudis for more than a decade so ofcourse they'd be pissed off at all of America's allies.
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@TamTamTammy3 @TrueSlazac @inkstainedlover @MarxoidNess A majority of Yemeni Jews left Yemen? Wow I wonder why
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@TrueSlazac @inkstainedlover @MarxoidNess A majority of the Jewish population of Yemen left the country in the 50s and 60s. You make it sound like this is a systemic thing affecting a huge group, the Houthi deportation affected less than 20 people. Yes it's a horrible thing to do but not on a huge scale.
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@aFar1s @TrueSlazac @inkstainedlover @MarxoidNess Antisemitism existed in Yemen before 1948 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mawza_Exi…
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@aFar1s @TrueSlazac @inkstainedlover @MarxoidNess Japanese internment was racist and rooted in racism
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@KenanPerry @maiamindel Nope. Not factually, morally, or legally.
Either you don't understand what "apartheid" means or you don't care.
Odd that you support Hamas when Hamas would throw you off a roof for being gay.
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the funny thing is that if the west bank isn't apartheid it's something much worse, like what do you call israel encouraging its citizens to go live in another country's territory in what is considered by all but one other country on earth a violation of international law
Aaron Regunberg@AaronRegunberg
So I wrote a post saying what’s happening in the West Bank is apartheid, and then Shai Davidai responded, and his “gotcha” argument for why it’s not apartheid is that actually Jews and Palestinians live apart from each other. Hmmm, I wonder how one might say “apart” in Afrikaans.
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@KenanPerry @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks Okay, I guess we're all just here for an academic discussion of indigeneity.
Do you often debate the finer points of post-colonial theory?
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I would consider Armenians indigenous to Palestine, even as they descend from the south caucasus, because of their long unbroken presence there.
European Jews are clearly not. Completely different culture, etc.
Kegham Balian@kbalian90
The Armenian presence in Jerusalem has existed for over 1,700 years, continuously and uninterruptedly. My family alone has been in Jerusalem for more than a century. Counter offer: Why don't you go fuck yourself?
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@KenanPerry @StochasticStat1 @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks You're telling us that Ukrainian Jews always wanted to taste back hummus ?
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@StochasticStat1 @noavic78 @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks You really don't know anything if you think that Zionists are the only Jews who "identified with the Land of Israel"
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@KenanPerry @noavic78 @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks Zionism was very much a minority viewpoint within the Jewish community in the early 20th Century. There were people who identified with the “Land of Israel,” but they were a distinct minority.
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@StochasticStat1 @History__Speaks @davidsm72686794 @TaliaRinger What is a Zionist? What is an anti-Zionist? None of these terms mean anything of use
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@StochasticStat1 @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks Look at the thread: literally the first time in it when you even mention Palestinians is when you claim that that's what you were talking about all along, before that it's purely you going on about where you think Jews are or aren't indigenous to
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@KenanPerry @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks Your assertion is that we're not discussing Israel and the Palestinians here?
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@StochasticStat1 @AleJohnson242 @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks Nothing in that post has anything to do with Israeli treatment of Palestinians, it's purely quibbling on a historical basis about who is indigenous to where, why are you trying to tell me that you were saying the opposite of what you're literally showing me that you were saying
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@KenanPerry @AleJohnson242 @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks If you look back at how I entered this discussion, you'll see that my point was that going back thousands of years to stake claims to land today is insane:
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@davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks I'm an Ashkenazi Jew, and my family lived in Eastern and Central Europe for as far back as I can trace. Saying we're indigenous to the Levant because 50% of our ancestors lived there 2000 years ago is just ideology. We have a much more direct, real connection to Europe.
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@StochasticStat1 @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks Again, why lie about what you were talking about this whole time, it only makes you look ridiculous
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@KenanPerry @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks I'm staying on topic. Did you think this was all an abstract discussion about indigeneity as an academic concept?
No, we're talking about Israel and the Palestinians. That's what everyone here actually cares about.
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@StochasticStat1 @History__Speaks @davidsm72686794 @TaliaRinger When did I justify any of that? Your view seems to be that the ethnic cleansing was only wrong because it was the wrong ethnicity for that land. It's always wrong regardless of who's been living there for longer periods
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@KenanPerry @History__Speaks @davidsm72686794 @TaliaRinger Lol. Nice attempt.
My view is that it was wrong for the Zionists to conquer Palestine and expel the native population.
There's nothing blood-and-soil in my view. Completely the opposite. I'm disgusted by attempts to justify Zionism with some 2000-year-old connection.
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@StochasticStat1 @AleJohnson242 @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks Then why is any of it relevant? Everyone who lives there today deserves to stay and have equal rights there today completely regardless of where their ancestors lived 100 or 2000 years ago, so why are you so obsessed with this red herring of ~indigeneity~?
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@KenanPerry @AleJohnson242 @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks I don't think Israelis are foreigners in Israel today. But I would be a foreigner in Israel, despite being Ashkenazi.
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@StochasticStat1 @History__Speaks @davidsm72686794 @TaliaRinger Ok, try telling them that, you know full well your ideology is a fringe minority among modern Jews. No one is "from" anywhere
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@KenanPerry @History__Speaks @davidsm72686794 @TaliaRinger A majority of us are quite literally not from Israel.
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@StochasticStat1 @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks Lol ok completely changing the topic while pretending that's what you meant all along, you're not a good faith interlocutor
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@KenanPerry @davidsm72686794 @History__Speaks As I've said elsewhere, I don't think anyone here actually cares what “indigenous” means. We're actually discussing whether the Zionists had the right to conquer Palestine and expel the native population.
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@StochasticStat1 @History__Speaks @davidsm72686794 @TaliaRinger Yes, and your ideology only differs from it in the particulars of which specific blood you think matches which specific soil rather than rejecting the whole rotten premise
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@KenanPerry @History__Speaks @davidsm72686794 @TaliaRinger Zionism is a “blood and soil” ideology. That's what I object to, anyways.
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