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@FlanaganOnFaith Doctor of Charity, Gentleman Saint, The Master and Restorer of Sacred Eloquence A man who brought 50,000 Protestants back to the Faith. A man who slept amongst treetops in cold winter nights A channel of love St Francis De Sales

@TD_Barrett @tradcatboy The development you propose to have happened is corruption, a negation of what was.

@tradcatboy 4. Be joyful that the Church has matured and developed and that the recent Popes have embraced that change for the better, even if at times it goes off in directions you aren’t quite comfortable with. And many more options. But 4 above is the right one 😇

Catholics have basically three options: 1. Sedevacantism - just deny he’s even the Pope so you can reject everything he says 2. Popesplaining - desperately twist and contort the Pope’s many statements to make them conform with a “mere orthodoxy” of Catholicism 3. Serenity - you don’t have to stay up to date with every happening in the Vatican. You don’t have to deal with every papal interview. You can just get on with your life as a Catholic in your parish, praying for the Pope, obeying the bishop he appoints over you, and engaging with his serious magisterial teachings.

@JQAForPresident @Chudimusmaximus @BackwardsFeet No to what? Again, the seminarian never said there IS an 8th sacrament He said there SHOULD BE an 8th sacrament. That is a condemned error, but it is not the error you were pointing out. Plus, no CCD class will teach against it

@MosinTheCath @Chudimusmaximus @BackwardsFeet x.com/JQAForPresiden… nope

Your priest is de-facto excommunicated, per the council of Trent.

@JQAForPresident @Chudimusmaximus @BackwardsFeet The confusion wasn't about whether there are only 7 sacraments. The confusion is whether ANOTHER sacrament could come about. No CCD class in the country will tell you the answer to that.

@MosinTheCath @Chudimusmaximus @BackwardsFeet Sure, but a 13 year old preparing for confirmation learns this stuff.

@JQAForPresident @Chudimusmaximus @BackwardsFeet "Seminary student" can be a first year, 18-year-old who has never finished a theology class. That isn't significant.

@Chudimusmaximus @BackwardsFeet It's not at random. A seminary student (which the OP says the priest in question was at the time) definitely should know that the number of sacraments is dogmatically defined.

@_y_o_t "[...] the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing." -Humani Generis

Reminding Catholics for the umpteenth time that branch theory was condemned by the Holy Office in 1864 and that Catholicism just *is* Christianity and not a branch or denomination of it: #cxi" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">clerus.org/bibliacleruson…

@PhilosophicDog @sincead33 Who mentioned teaching?

@sincead33 Commenting on retards isn’t teaching you bitter parasite

@Johnsmithnj1b @_y_o_t That's a word-concept fallacy!

@_y_o_t Cope

EOs love to obsess over *not being papist* by arguing over words because they have an inferiority complex. It's so bad that they're unable to make a case for their Church without mentioning Catholicism.

@JJay1776 @_y_o_t What do you know that out saints and doctors did not?

@_y_o_t I mean, I would argue the EO don’t actually deny the Filioque, unless you are referring to its inclusion in the creed?

While schismatic churches, such as the EO, are in a less imperfect communion with the Catholic Church, their errors are graver than those of the protestants. Generally, protestants at least do not profess errors about the Trinity and the Incarnation, whereas EOs, OO and ACoE do.

@CLoftson85537 No. It turns out he has always believed it

@MosinTheCath What? He flipped his position?

Working on a discord library against universalism. DM if interested in discussing it. Scruplebros and those struggling with universalism need not apply.

@SlowpokeCon @MissionaryJC3 @CafeteriaPapist @StunProdStud Both. St Robert Bellarmine's Commentary on Psalm 87:

@MissionaryJC3 @CafeteriaPapist @StunProdStud Do you think God the Father wounded Him or human sin wounded Him?

>has to debate whether Penal Substitutionary Atonement is orthodox or not >retires instead what did he know

@CLoftson85537 I return 2 years later to say that Fr Rooney is a Universalist of the "hopeful" kind

@MosinTheCath Surprisingly, Fr. Dominc Rooney is good on this and has some accessible conversation on it on youtube.

@MosesD40 @DoorDashThomist Determining the true Church and sources of revelation precedes determining the true doctrines established thereupon.

@DoorDashThomist I wouldn't pray about because I did not yet believe that the RCC is the true church. so I didn't believe I owed it to God to simply accept what the RCC teaches. If I had not found the answers to chose challenges, I would have just stopped inquiring and remained anglican.

A lot of Catholics online do not have a prayer life and it really shows. “Can you make a video about Haec Sancta? It’s really damaging my faith.” The foundation of faith is the authority of God revealing, not Christian Wagner’s response video to an argument you can’t refute. Divine faith isn’t based on your ability to answer arguments, but a humble submission of your insight to God’s insight.

That's fine. We have a notion of "development of doctrine" where new teachings clarify and expound upon past teachings without contradicting them. That seems to be what you are saying. On that note, we would be happy to defend very early documents despite later developments. Couldn't LDS do the same?

A strong contradiction? I think not, but Mormon did not have as much revealed to him as Joseph would in later days. For example, I don't think Mormon fully understood the degrees of glory in eternity. In the same way, many Old Testament prophets did not have a full understanding of the afterlife either, and thought everyone went to the same mostly gloomy place, Sheol.

UPDATE: Top LDS ‘theologian’ Blake Ostler has backed out of a discussion with me on Jacob Hansen’s channel about whether the Book of Mormon is more consistent with classical theism or ‘Hansen-Ostlerism.’ He provided two pretexts for this decision: (1) He does not consider me qualified to discuss “Book of Mormon theology” (famously a brainy field) with a towering intellect such as himself. (2) He does not think it is possible for him to defend the thesis without presupposing univocity with later revelations claimed by Smith. A telling admission to be sure. Perhaps one day, with enough study and effort, I will be deemed worthy of the vaunted heights of speaking with this Utah attorney that does amateur philosophy on the side.

@WilliamFastje @emuse1955 @ThoughtfulSaint Does the progressive revelation of Latter-Day prophets conflict with what the Book of Mormon revealed?

You'll note Ethan is good at setting the stage of the debate to avoid a serious discussion. He's not qualified to talk on LDS theology or the Book of Mormon he hasn't even read it. He's not looking for a debate he's looking for a gish gallop. Ethan doesn't even realize that continuing revelation makes his point moot as LDS don't need to assert that Mormon had the same view of God as Joseph did. More has been revealed. The previous question "if classical theism is found in the bible" is a good debate topic they are both qualified in, and can be investigated from the bible. The fact it is not is a problem for Catholics who have to defend a number of points from the bible that just aren't there like creation from nothing and the trinity.

@WilliamFastje @emuse1955 @ThoughtfulSaint If Ethan is such an ignoramus, then Blake will humiliate him and show the prowess of your church's theology. Why not have Blake show forth the power of the restored gospel?

Blake is entirely right here. Ethan doesn't know heads or tails about LDS theology and isn't qualified on the topic. His qualifications seem to be in philosophy and computer science. Also, Blake's analogy to Moses' teachings vs. medieval theology is spot on. You would not get Aquinas' theology from the Pentateuch unless you were trying to harmonize it with later revelation. It wouldn't come obviously out of the Pentateuch alone. Ethan is a terrible, dishonest actor, which is why he's willing to debate topics he doesn't know. His entire debate strategy is to use a “trick” of some kind, motte and bailey, gish gallop, or whatever else, and avoid serious discussion. When people decide they don't like talking to dishonest actors like him, he calls them cowards. It's an obvious tactic to anyone who has studied debate and rhetoric. But unfortunately, it works to make you look like you won to laymen, which is why he does it.

@OrdinariateUSA @_y_o_t The Roman Catholic Church and the Body of Christ are one and the same thing.

@_y_o_t The issue is they’re more concerned with rejecting other branches of Christianity than they are following Jesus

“It seems like the Orthodox are more concerned with being contrarian than they are being true For example, at a Orthodox confirmation, the priest asked all the Catholic converts if they ‘reject the heresy of the filioque’ and the ‘schismatic bishop in Rome’. Likewise, he asked the Protestant converts if they ‘reject the heresy of sola scriptura and the errors of the reformation’ In every Catholic (and anglican/lutheran) confirmation Ive attended in my life, the priest asked the converts, ‘do you reject satan and his works? Do you accept Jesus Christ as your savior?’ Just shows the difference in worldview between the traditions.”

@EmiteRose @EdwardPentin Heresy is the post-baptismal denial of a dogma. Are all teachings of an ecumenical council dogmatic?

@EdwardPentin Because if you reject the teachings of any ecumenical council, then you by definition are a heretic.

“Today, to be in full communion with the Holy See, one must accept those affirmations and teachings of Vatican II that are pastoral and certainly non-definitive in terms of their magisterial nature. This raises an important question: Why is the unconditional acceptance of the texts of Vatican II presented as a conditio sine qua non for full communion with the Holy See, while no comparable requirement exists with respect to the pastoral, disciplinary, or non-definitive teachings of the preceding twenty Ecumenical Councils?” — Bishop Athanasius Schneider

@SamovarDrogeth @endorph_machine Who said that being a monotheist is what saves you?

@endorph_machine Then why should a Muslim go to hell? They’re monotheistic.

Fr. Gregory Pine did the best treatment of this question when he was interviewed by Alex O'Connor. Alex: "What if someone sincerely searches for God, but no matter what he does, he is simply unconvinced?" Fr. Pine: "That's impossible and he'd be culpable for living in denial."

@Eskon123 @PeterIITheRoman @bibeIradikaI I am asking for your belief. You and I disagree.

@MosinTheCath @PeterIITheRoman @bibeIradikaI L2google bro.

Redeemed Zoomers recent content is the First time many E-Caths have come into contact with Protestant Arguments that Go beyond Eva slopologetics 101 and they are melting down.

@Eskon123 @PeterIITheRoman @bibeIradikaI I am referring to the Council of Jerusalem banning the consumption of blood in Acts 15.20,29 Is that ban still in effect upon you?

@MosinTheCath @PeterIITheRoman @bibeIradikaI If you refer to canon 34 its the custom that is banned.