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IT WAS WORTH CANCELLING THE SOURDOUGH!!!!!!!

@IamBalhamMatt @Michael46710193 Boro opinions are neither here not there, your club are the ones that cheated

I am not being “spiteful” towards anyone. I am of the opinion that we were disproportionately punished. I am also of the opinion that Middlesbrough have absolutely no interest whatsoever in any sort of sporting fairness as their priority has always been to ensure solely they benefit from our punishment rather than Hull City. These are perfectly legitimate opinions, held by many others including several high-profile professional footballers, owners etc.

Perfect example of the problem. Some of our fans just want to be liked and patted on the head. The immediate statement should have made the point that the prospect of a sporting sanction is outrageous, every effort and achievement of our players on the pitch throughout the season will be fiercely protected, we understand that there is a 72 hour limit beyond which opponents can be scouted and we will investigate if this time limit was breached. Southampton football club will take the maximum 14 days to respond further, after which the playoffs will have been concluded entirely on the pitch. If we’d run with that you’d all be going to Wembley. #SaintsFC

@SpludD @posta_octavian The concept of marriage predates Christianity by centuries

@posta_octavian And exactly what point are you trying to make? I'm saying Americans get upset because marriage is a religious institution. Youre telling me the French had a process that explicitly allowed unions without the religious component attached So--civil unions Explain what im missing

Opposing gay marriage was/is one of the biggest conservative Ls ever. Legalising it has: - raised the prestige of monogamous long-term marriages among gay men - made being gay less of a clandestine secret culture - integrated gay men as productive members of society with many positive effects So everything conservatives *should* want came from its legalisation, despite it having been something they opposed.

@thenotorius_hrt @St2station Ragebait used to be believable

@St2station lets not forget that churchill was a nazi dickrider loser and was everything short of an ally for them (he whined and pissed constantly during nuremberg and, as shown, constantly glazed hitler like he was some glorious, honorable warrior king that he was sad to have to fight)

Just to keep it on terrain where Homelander fans will be comfortable: when the Germans put out the first (false) report that Hitler had died in Berlin “at the head of his troops,” Churchill told his Cabinet that he had never expected him to die any other way. And when the news

@dcfc1968 @Bigalanh5 Ok, if you dont think cheating should have consequences then I wont try and convince you. But I agree that Southampton should have been expelled straight away

@Aguy1357 @Bigalanh5 Still stand by that. To get this far, and then be told is unfair. Without going around in circles, please if time to deal with it prior to the semi's

Unbelievably ridiculous decision being kicked out the Play Off Final for a useless bit of video! The punishment no way fits the crime!

@dcfc1968 @Bigalanh5 Wrexham probably do feel put out, and if Southampton have cheated more than they have admitted to (a near certainty in my opinion) then they probably have a very good case to sue. But your first comment said you thought Southampton being punished for cheating was unfair?

@Aguy1357 @Bigalanh5 Then unfortunately teams would have to wait, it's not difficult. I am sure Wrexham feel abit put out that they did not get the chance of playing in the playoffs... but Middlesbrough now get a second shot at the Prem. Only my opinion 😀

@IamBalhamMatt You've been found guilty of shop lifting and removed from the shop, or drink driving and had your keys taken away from yoh

I still haven’t had an answer to the question of why spying is worse than, for instance, intentionally fouling high up the pitch to prevent counterattacks as a premeditated tactic. I’ve heard variants of: 1) Rarara I hate Southampton hahaha you’re out. (Fine, but not an argument) 2) Shouldn’t have cheated then! (Doesn’t address proportionality) 3) Fouls, diving etc. are dealt with in-game (obviously not enough to discourage it which was the main argument for the prosecution in the Saints FC case). 4) How can you compare it to a dive or a foul? (I’m talking about a premeditated strategy involving intentional rule-breaking). 5) Spying gives you a huge advantage, bigger than coordinated, intentional fouling or injuring opponents. (The likes of Shearer, Murphy, O’Hara and Cundy who have played the game at the highest level have come out and said it would have made a minimal difference). I’ve accepted that Saints fucked around and found out, and all associated within the club need to go, but until I get an answer which lies outside one of those 5 listed above, I’ll be of the opinion we’ve been treated very harshly with a completely disproportionate punishment. This *is* the footballing equivalent of the death penalty for shoplifting - and if you’re a Saints fan reading this, bottle that sense of injustice inside, make an absolute racket at Saint Mary’s next season - and you watch, teams will crumble against us as they’ve always done, and just like #Boro and even #Arsenal did on the pitch. #SaintsFC #Spygate

@dcfc1968 @Bigalanh5 Then all 5 teams would be waiting until today to find out who would be allowed to compete in the playoffs. This is how long the process of kicking them out takes

@Aguy1357 @Bigalanh5 It's the timing for me. It happened ahead of the first leg of the Championship playoff semifinal, deal with it then & kick them out no issue. Wrexham would been in the playoffs job done. Yes they would have lost the big prize but it would have been nipped at source.

@Willis64761622 @Hull_and_Back Dont cheat then 🤷‍♂️

@Hull_and_Back Bookies had you to win at 4/1 so a 1/4 chance of us to win a fixture worth 220 million is the equivalent (off the bookies odds) of over a £150 million sanction?

It's not a £200m sanction. You know you still had to play another game, right? The arrogance that you thought you'd get away with this and that you were guaranteed promotion astounds. A load of whataboutism doesn't mean you should get away with it. Accept your punishment, you absolute meffs. #hcafc

@JabroniTV @Hull_and_Back Did you not try to deny another side the opportunity to compete for £200M by cheating against them?

@Hull_and_Back Can you not read? He's arguing we've been denied the opportunity to compete for it not that we've been denied the money itself

@AdamAzor @FuryFadez No, but they wouldnt be allowed to carry on with their journey would they?

@FuryFadez Great analogy. So should someone who has found guilty of drink driving be sentenced to death?

Leeds 200k fine #Saintsfc 200m+ fine and -4 points. This is obviously disproportionate. However while it’s a ridiculous decision & should have the penalty reversed by appeal . I don’t see this happening.

@RicardoDaLepp @BerenCross Quite right, every team with a big match coming up should be training inside an MOD facility

@Aguy1357 @BerenCross If anyone was genuinely this concerned, then they would have taken reasonable precautions to maintain their privacy. It used to be called common sense. Holding a training session next to a publicly accessible pathway with no screening doesn’t suggest that it was, does it?

Bloody hell. Never thought they'd have the teeth for this.

@dcfc1968 @Bigalanh5 What punishment would you say is appropriate? Seeing as a points deduction would be impossible if they won Saturday and a fine would basically just make every club do the same thing for every future playoff match

@Bigalanh5 Doesn't fit the crime! The final they say is worth best part of 200 million. Would they fine any club half that amount! Football has gone mad, maybe should concentrate with the cheating on the field from all the clubs week in week out.

@RicardoDaLepp @BerenCross Mate, Im not trying to he rude, but if you're going to be that willfully silly then you should get a blue tick and try and monetise it. Secretely observing in order to gain information without permission of target is unquestionably spying. And you would be a liar to say otherwise

@Aguy1357 @BerenCross Standing on a path (public?) by an open training pitch is hardly spying! Breaking in / trespassing would be. If it’s that big a deal, why isn’t there a hedge / screen / fence in place? Why isn’t it an issue in other countries if it’s so clearly going to gain an advantage?

If Southampton were not kicked out of the play-offs, you are giving them an opportunity to move out of EFL jurisdiction and evade ALL meaningful punishments. Then the cheating actually gets rewarded. Let's say they even come straight back down again after one season. A fine will be meaningless after receiving a year's worth of Premier League money, and a 4-point deduction wouldn't have changed a thing this season, so probably wouldn't any other time too. So where would the deterrent be? Spying on opponents' training sessions would carry small risk for enormous possible reward, so why wouldn't it become commonplace?

@FBAwayDays Not being funny, but they are adults and knew this was a risk

Regardless of whether Southampton have done wrong or not, how can they expel them so close to the game? Fans will have spent money booking trains, tickets and hotels. You really do have to feel for them. 🤯🫣

@HITCSevens Where is the Hull video Alfie?

Do the EFL have any idea the kind of chaos they have caused football fans?

@RicardoDaLepp @BerenCross Not sure why you have put the word spying in quotation marks, by any definition thats what it was And a counterpoint to your argument is that if tge result of this is a slap on the wrist then it happens every single year going forward

@BerenCross The breach deserves a sanction, but this is completely disproportionate. Can it really be said that any “spying” made that much of a difference? It’s too much, and just damages the integrity of the competition, far beyond the “sleight” of the original rule breach.

@NeelabhSinha2 @ZacDjellab @Tgarratt10 Mong: says something stupid The world: that was stupid Mongs mate: wow, touched a nerve there, I am very clever

@ZacDjellab @Tgarratt10 The responses to this are hilarious lmao, clearly touched a nerve. At the end of the day, this is why the community is not ready for this conversation. All defensive like you lot think I'm pointing my finger at you and calling you a bigot, waffles and pancakes all over again.

"You have no connection to that club..." @Tgarratt10 argues that football means more when you support your local team.

@_Riddock_ Is your dad scouse?

I’m from the south and support Liverpool…my connection with the club comes from my dad…not everyone’s connection has to be the same