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@ConceptualJames @Eric_Conn Israel creates our ugliest wars.
Then they guilt the likes of you to thank them for it.
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@kinisman I hate easy believeism and antinomianism as much as yourself and other fine reformed mutuals.
But the reality is that Protestantism has no practical remedy to this inside their framework.
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@kinisman @JoeKingJoeKing The whole premise of this is flawed though. This is just what you want to believe, from a presupposition of preceding justification to sanctification — this is the constraint that makes no sense.
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If Jay Dyer couldn’t strawman Protestant theology, I doubt that he would have an audience. Absolutely no Calvinist believes in justification by assent to legal doctrines. The righteousness of Christ is imputed to us. This is monergistic, not synergistic, and it is the only way that we can stand before God.
All Christians believe in sanctification, which is the Holy Spirit training us to hate our sinful desires and live in holiness. But the RC and EO blur justification and sanctification, leading them to believe that justification can be lost. When this happens, they need the made-up sacrament of penance to restore it. True repentance is not a ritual act to “satisfy” for sin. Penance is congruous merit, a parody of true repentance. Then purgatory had to be made up as a system to “pay off” temporal guilt. This leaves them bouncing between despair over obviously insufficient works and a false security through rituals.
This all stems from the denial of justification by faith alone. If faith is insufficient, the merit of works is required. If the merit of works is required, justification can be lost. If justification can be lost, there is no assurance of salvation.
Protestant doctrine is justification apart from the MERIT of works, not the existence of works. When we are justified by God, all of our sins, past present and future, are forgiven. Abraham was justified by being counted (imputed) righteous while still ungodly (Romans 4), not through progressive deification through works.
In 2 Peter 1:4, “partakers of the divine nature” is better understood through union with Christ and the indwelling Spirit, not ontological deification. We are conformed to the likeness of Christ (Rom. 8:29), but we do not become like God by nature. If we participated in God’s essence or immanent being (ousia), the distinction between God and man would be abolished.
A lot of this sacerdotalist confusion comes from the Latin Vulgate. The Latin word for justification is iustificare. This comes from the noun iustus, meaning justice or righteousness, and the verb facare, meaning to make. The Latin fathers understood this to mean that God MAKES unrighteous people righteous.
One of Luther’s great insights from the Septuagint is that the Greek word dikaiosune doesn’t mean to make righteous, but rather to regard as righteous, to count as righteous, to declare as righteous. God is in this sense granting righteousness to those who don’t innately deserve it. This means that the righteousness by which we are saved is iustitia alienum, an alien righteousness; a righteousness that belongs properly to someone else. It’s a righteousness that is extra nos, outside of us.
Luther said, “When I discovered that, I was born again of the Holy Ghost. And the doors of paradise swung open, and I walked through.”
Iustificare (to justify) and iustitia (righteousness/justice) are the best Latin equivalents for dikaiosune, but they don’t adequately capture the full meaning. As Luther realized, dikaiosune righteousness is imputed (forensic, being declared righteous before God), whereas iustitia righteousness is imparted (making the ungodly righteous internally).
🎸 Matt 🎸@ChristandGuitar
Can we get a Protestant on Tucker who actually represents us accurately without the strawmen? Jay Dyer (Orthodox) reduces the Calvinistic/Reformed view of salvation to "mere mental assent" — with the only change being God's disposition toward a person. That's not what any Protestant teaches, other than the hyper free-grace OSAS antinomian fringe. We teach justification by faith alone in Christ: a sinner goes from hating God to repenting and trusting Him. This is a real spiritual regeneration by God's grace alone, not just rubber-stamping an individual as "saved" and sending him on his way. Yes, we are legally declared righteous at the moment of faith: Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. But Scripture also teaches sanctification — not as a means to achieve salvation, but as a byproduct of becoming a new creation in Christ: 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. Those whom God justifies in Christ, He will also glorify: Romans 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
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@JesusIsKing70AD Seems like a disagreement though rather than a misrepresentation. Right?
To illustrate, let’s try this in layman’s terms: what do you believe you’re “saved” from?
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@RBosley1689 @FacesOutOfCTX Your confessions literally espouse penal substitutionary atonement.
What do you believe you’re saved from?
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@FacesOutOfCTX It was a quick post made during lunch not meant to be a full rebuttal.
Short response is, no faith is not mere "notional acceptance of a set of ideas" and no salvation is not merely about our legal standing. See; literally any Calvinist confession, such as 2LBC 11:2.
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@FacesOutOfCTX @RBosley1689 Maybe one more ad hom will convince the Orthodox they’re wrong. I got this:
If anyone hears what we believe, from someone who doesn’t believe what we believe, who used to believe what we believe, then you are mentally ill.
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Christian Jim 👔 retweetledi
@RBosley1689 14th Protestant response I’ve seen
0 arguments made so far
An hour of your history being insulted on the world stage, and you didn't come up with one actual point?
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@JesusIsKing70AD @kinisman I’ve read the puritans and reformers, I know what they’re trying to say with regeneracy.
The verbal does not match up to the reformed belief though. Are justified through faith alone or not?
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@ChristHalpert @kinisman Sanctification is not optional nor does the Reformed Tradition say such. Sanctification is the natural consequence of Justification and thus if Sanctification does not follow the supposed justification, then it reveals it to be false.
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@mattjhedges11 @HylomorphicBro He distinguished between justification and PSA, you impossible clown.
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That is false. Justification can be considered legally and forensically, yes, if it is defined as the pardon of sin and the adjudication of a right to eternal life. However, it is not a legal fiction or "taxonomic" change the way that Dyer and Robinson try to misrepresent it as. The foundation of imputation is Christ's suretyship, and the imputation in turn is one that bestows real benefits on the believer.
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Apparently, Jay Dyer presented public slanders and misrepresentations of the Reformed view on soteriology on the recent podcast with Tucker Carlson. It's already got nearly 400k views.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: intellectual honesty takes a backseat with these people.
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@JoeKingJoeKing @kinisman Most will admit that good works aren’t necessary for salvation, when pressed. That’s the reformed position
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@ChristHalpert @kinisman Are you saying you’ve never met a reformed believer admit that anything more than a living faith that produces good works is required for salvation?
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@GeoffKlein3 @ChristandGuitar The guy is too stupid to ever be embarrassed.
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@ChristHalpert @ChristandGuitar Lmao I didn’t even see Banned retard responded
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Sometimes I scroll through replies and laugh. These four drastically different responses to this post are extremely telling: people read what they want into text.
We have to be very careful when we read Scripture and church history. Each one of us carries a framework and hermeneutic with us. While it’s impossible to start from a truly neutral state, we must do all we can to allow the author of a writing to dictate its meaning.
🎸 Matt 🎸@ChristandGuitar
Can we get a Protestant on Tucker who actually represents us accurately without the strawmen? Jay Dyer (Orthodox) reduces the Calvinistic/Reformed view of salvation to "mere mental assent" — with the only change being God's disposition toward a person. That's not what any Protestant teaches, other than the hyper free-grace OSAS antinomian fringe. We teach justification by faith alone in Christ: a sinner goes from hating God to repenting and trusting Him. This is a real spiritual regeneration by God's grace alone, not just rubber-stamping an individual as "saved" and sending him on his way. Yes, we are legally declared righteous at the moment of faith: Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. But Scripture also teaches sanctification — not as a means to achieve salvation, but as a byproduct of becoming a new creation in Christ: 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. Those whom God justifies in Christ, He will also glorify: Romans 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
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@DefiantBaptist This is probably one of the most astute observations about Wes.
It’s not that he’s not JQ’d, but he’s just not equipped to be anything but an effeminate agreeable man, in a generation saturated with effeminate agreeable men.
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Christian Jim 👔 retweetledi
Academia is not the real world. Wes (and you) would do well to realize that.
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@DefiantBaptist This is exactly what's wrong with so much online discourse. Huff made an argument about the academic use of a term. Rather than explaining why he's wrong, you declare him 'naïve,' 'compromised,' and 'of no use to our movement.' That's not engaging ideas—it's enforcing tribalism.
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@zoomer_crusader Yeah I encourage you to. Most others will too, among the @C2Antiquity @Alex_Ortodoxie circles anyway.
I haven’t caught most of the discourse so you may have a legitimate complaint. 🙏🏻
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@ChristHalpert You should tell that to the internet famous ortho bros.
Also, fair point. May post more about it later.
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If you listened to Jay Dyer on Tucker and you still think Eastern Orthodoxy is a valid option, you are cooked.
Literally.
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@AnglicanonMDiv Got it. Haven’t listened to it all. I won’t talk past you, so I dropped the transcript in OP thread
Christian Jim 👔@ChristHalpert
@ChristandGuitar “We teach justification by faith alone in Christ” @JayDyer: “the whole idea of what salvation is is ultimately one's legal standing in terms of what's called justification by faith alone” Where’s the misrepresentation? Transcript of your clip:
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@ChristHalpert It was earlier in the episode
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@ChristandGuitar “We teach justification by faith alone in Christ”
@JayDyer: “the whole idea of what salvation is is ultimately one's legal standing in terms of what's called justification by faith alone”
Where’s the misrepresentation? Transcript of your clip:
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Can we get a Protestant on Tucker who actually represents us accurately without the strawmen?
Jay Dyer (Orthodox) reduces the Calvinistic/Reformed view of salvation to "mere mental assent" — with the only change being God's disposition toward a person.
That's not what any Protestant teaches, other than the hyper free-grace OSAS antinomian fringe.
We teach justification by faith alone in Christ: a sinner goes from hating God to repenting and trusting Him. This is a real spiritual regeneration by God's grace alone, not just rubber-stamping an individual as "saved" and sending him on his way.
Yes, we are legally declared righteous at the moment of faith:
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
But Scripture also teaches sanctification — not as a means to achieve salvation, but as a byproduct of becoming a new creation in Christ:
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
Those whom God justifies in Christ, He will also glorify:
Romans 8:30
And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
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@AnglicanonMDiv Where is that in the clip? He’s describing sola fide and PSA. I’ll get the transcript…
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@ChristHalpert "Faith" in the Reformed tradition is not simple mental assent to a set of data as Dyer says. He is lying and he knows it.
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@RBosley1689 Care to explain how? Or are you just going to argue like a leftist?
Christian Jim 👔@ChristHalpert
@AnglicanonMDiv What’s the misrepresentation? I keep hearing that but no one explains how. In the linked post he mentioned that Calvinists believe in justification by faith alone. They don’t?
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