Exmo2EO

Is there a way to create a Wall of Shame on my timeline, showing all the fruits of fear LDS have regarding dialogue. Discussion of your and other worldviews requires risking your worldview. If you’re not ready for that degree of sincere searching, it’s okay. Simply not engaging is an option.

1. A little risky to think that is the entire basis for the orthodox ecclesiology. 2. LDS interpretation of Orthodox liturgical documents carry no weight. 3. You apparently don’t understand the great schism or the Church before/after the schism. 4. ? That’s not the gates of hell prevailing against the Church. You’re not mistaking Fr Josiah for a Roman Catholic, right? 5. Orthodox is one Church. Don’t repeat Jacob Hansen’s mischaracterizations. Not in communion ≠ schism. Bonus: Mormons say don’t talk about them, talk to them. Go to Divine Liturgy and learn more before attempting to critique the worldview. These are “Mormons baptize corpses” level statements.

@PatristicNectar 1. A little risky to base your whole ecclesiology on one vague verse - esp. when it only appears in one gospel and each major tradition has dif interpretation 2. Other verses speak of a future apostasy BEFORE the end 3. Catholics could also be the true church

The Church Was Never Lost

@AustinFarle @GuyInco15542744 Feel better, Austin? When your brain cells finally touch each other, come on back for a big boy convo.

@Exmo2EO @GuyInco15542744 Truly one of the most idiotic takes I have read on this forsaken app

It’s wild how often LDS will claim something is biblical when they’re really just overlaying an LDS claim over it. Then they think it’s a clear interpretation that non-LDS should accept. They have a term for this that is rarely, if ever, applied to themselves: “Lazy Learner”. Attributing this passage, and the other typically cited by LDS (1 Kings 19:11-12 for the “still small voice” and Luke 24:32 for “burning in the bosom”), to the Holy Ghost is not biblical as they’ll claim. It’s lazy learning. In both instances it is Christ Himself, first speaking with Elijah and then walking/talking with the two disciples. The still small voice and burning in the bosom of these two instances is directly connected with an experience with Christ. The Bible does not mention the Holy Ghost anywhere in connection to these passages. LDS get the Holy Ghost connection exclusively from LDS sources. Then in the direct opposition to the evidence, boldly claim “it’s in the Bible”. It’s easy for Lazy Learners to keep the LDS vs actual facts straight. The Holy Ghost is mentioned in the second story, but chronologically later when Christ breathes on them to receive the Holy Spirit. LDS members, you’re not being taught what is in the Bible. You are being taught the LDS scripture layered onto the Bible. Please learn the differences. Please don’t be Lazy Learners.

@HumonDx1 @CaptMahonri The LDS man tares gonna sit and watch it happen too.

@CaptMahonri 304s gonna do their thing... Tares gonna tare you know..

Okay. Honestly. Am I missing something? When did the holy garment become just an undershirt? This is wrong.

@CaptMahonri LDS is in trouble when that generation takes the reins, either with mass exodus or an even more feminized culture; probably both.

@ZachCrandall @jesse_k_fox Yes, what God makes ex nihilo is always good. Always. Even more, Hitler was made in God’s image. Presumably, Hitler chose to turn away from God, which is not good.

@Exmo2EO @jesse_k_fox Is that good?

Why do Christian’s debate ex nihilo? What does this have to do with the what Jesus taught us?

@ZachCrandall @jesse_k_fox Sure

@Exmo2EO @jesse_k_fox "if we were created ex nihilo, that means God looked at all the possible ways to create Hitler and decided he was the one He really wanted. He could have decided to not make Hitler. Instead, He said this one’s worth making." You agree with that?

@ZachCrandall @jesse_k_fox What do mean by “Hitler was good”?

@Exmo2EO @jesse_k_fox So Hitler was good in your view?

@ferrell_travis @Primary_Pianist Neither are assertions.

@Exmo2EO @Primary_Pianist Not a compelling argument

Not problematic. You’re laying the LDS and Platonic philosophy onto the Orthodox worldview. Mixing worldviews is incoherent argumentation. Evil doesn’t have ontology in Orthodoxy, like it does in LDS and Platonic philosophy. God only creates good. Man can turn away from God (sin). There’s much more to understanding the worldview, but Hitler fits just fine without making God the source of evil.

@Exmo2EO @jesse_k_fox Which is why creatio ex nihilo is extremely problematic for God's responsibility. Take Hitler, for example

@dds_dave @Primary_Pianist I’m not sure I understand your request. I don’t believe it Sola Scriptura. Historically, scripture is only one piece of Church Tradition, although a central piece.

@Exmo2EO @Primary_Pianist I tried explaining my faith in Christ by only referencing the Bible. He couldn’t answer this question. Perhaps you can

Why do you think atheism tends to be the natural result?

@mormons_speak @Ch_JesusChrist *a little over $8

@mormons_speak @Ch_JesusChrist Am I calculating this correctly? Their total humanitarian aid is about $33.53 per member per year ($570m / 17m members); a little of $8 per member per year if you exclude the tithing contribution?

The Widow's Mite Report estimates that last year #LDS members donated about $450-570 Million for humanitarian aid. All #LDS human. donations come from members' donations for that purpose, not from tithing. The @Ch_JesusChrist keeps the monies for 2 years before donating them.

@Mormonger @Sarahsred7 I support this 100%. If I wanted to subvert the LDS church, there’s no better way than with the obnoxious “strong” woman trope. Fake masculinity helps improve every organization’s culture 👀

@Sarahsred7 is now on 𝕏 RIP to the haters 🙏

I was first amazed at the overlap. I had to re-question LDS beliefs that appeared to align with the orthodox worldview, such eternal marriage, exaltation/theosis, hell. How could Joseph’s teachings deviate so much from the local religious teachings of his time, and been so close to Eastern Orthodoxy in some key aspects? That’s still a question I can’t fully answer other than attributing it to a sincere desire to understand scripture. He definitely wasn’t stupid regardless of his claimed level of education. But the more I learn and experience, the larger the gap between LDS and EO grows, and the more I can see how the LDS worldview was an outgrowth of Western theology.

@Exmo2EO @j0643047898455 Another funny thing is that there is a LOT of Orthodoxy in the Book of Mormon if one is willing to do more than simply scratch the surface of reading and then follow later LDS doctrines that came into being WELL after the Book of Mormon was published.

From a religious standpoint, this is actually a good case to be made for the Latter day Saint position RE The Great Apostasy. A generalized lack of knowledge and scientific progression for over a thousand years in the West. The East would be a bit different.

That’s fair and I understand the criticism. I call them Angry Anti’s. There’s a difference between attacking and pointing out contradictions within a worldview. Just like there are Mormons on here who blindly defend instead of making meaningful counter-arguments. A little context too that you might not have. I don’t know if Roman Catholicism has the same position, but publicly teaching/arguing Orthodoxy to any meaningful capacity requires your Bishop’s/Priest’s blessing. Protestants, as far as I know, are free to preach at anyone.

@Exmo2EO @DanShaha @AaronAsher11 But notice how many don’t preach of Christ, and instead just attack LDS beliefs. His point is they rather than building faith by sharing positive beliefs and drawing people to them, they try to undermine LDS faith.

I remember being a missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and constantly trying to find people to share the Restored Gospel with. Our message of God calling a prophet, revealing additional Scripture, and giving modern revelation seemed like a message everyone would want to hear. We were offering additional light and knowledge to anyone who would listen. Of course we got a lot of push-back from people. Our message was perceived as offensive, blasphemous, heretical, and false by many. As I look back on those interactions, and interactions I've had over the last 20+ years, I've noticed a contrast between the message of the Restored Gospel and those critical of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. When I engage someone on religion, it's from the standpoint of wanting to offer additional light and knowledge to others. As President Hinckley said in his 1995 interview with Mike Wallace: “To anybody who is not of this Church, I say we recognize all of the virtues and the good that you have. Bring it with you and see if we might add to it.” In contrast, those critical of the Church often seek to destroy or undermine faith and belief. They list various reasons, proofs, and evidences that the Restoration of the Gospel never happened, its founders were liars and con men, its doctrines heretical and outside of what should be considered "Christian". And they never offer anything as a viable alternative to build upon. The Gospel and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have made my life objectively better. My life isn't all rainbows and unicorns. I still have struggles and hard times. The Gospel gives me a structure, a guide to approach the hard times in life and allows me to maintain hope and faith in the face of the trials in life.

@badtothebone124 @j0643047898455 Makes sense. Good luck in your investigation.

@Exmo2EO @j0643047898455 I am investigating Orthodoxy, otherwise I would not have it in my handle.

Except your ☦️ indicates you’re aware that many did not ever accept the Filioque or other Western additions. The East has maintained proper authority and orthodoxy since Christ and the Apostles. The LDS ultimately aligns mostly with the Western mindset and religious teachings, and has almost no overlap with the Eastern tradition. So what’s with the Orthodox cross ☦️ in your handle?

@j0643047898455 I would argue the apostasy was consummated when the Filiioque was introduced in Spain in the 6th Century, later spreading throughout the West. Though its start was well before then. You need to be familiar with early church history

He’s specifically talking about the gift of the Holy Ghost (confirmation or “chrismation” in EO) and distinguishing between the “natural” man (who has not received the gift of the Holy Ghost) and the “spiritual” man (disciples who have received the gift of the Holy Ghost), while addressing specific issues within the church at Corinth (Gnosticism, paganism, church unity). Besides having a chronological issue (pre-Pentecost vs post-Pentecost after Jesus’s promise you mentioned had been fulfilled), you also have a contextual application to consider. I don’t grant that you can take council given within a specific context and say it applies to all spiritual things everywhere (the council you give one of your kids can very well be different from what you’d tell another kid).

At the Last Supper, Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit will teach truth. Note also that a person without the Spirit can't understand. "But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually." 1 corinthians 2:14

Is it sinful to block potential a potential convert, potentially stripping me of my opportunity to rejoin? I bet you were the one that was gonna get me back to church.

Is there a way to create a Wall of Shame on my timeline, showing all the fruits of fear LDS have regarding dialogue. Discussion of your and other worldviews requires risking your worldview. If you’re not ready for that degree of sincere searching, it’s okay. Simply not engaging is an option.

I likely deserved it