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@lucasnolarte @jpvalentini @jlespert Para terminar con ese mito, te dejo algunos links de distintas fuentes internacionales, para que compares: Valor Agregado por Trabajador en la Industria, vs. Valor Agregado por Trabajador en el Agro; separados por país: indexmundi.com/facts/indicato… indexmundi.com/facts/indicato…

@MARX_ATM @Kilrot @juanrallo Sería bueno para Marxistas hacer pasantías en compañías reales y observar cómo personas reales definen precios de sus productos . Por cierto, commodities como cereales, ganado, etc: materias primas de lo q compras en Mercadona, se venden al por mayor via subastas, a diario.

@Kilrot @juanrallo Será fácil pero erróneo... Cuando fue la última vez que compraste algo en una subasta que es lo que estás definiendo? Entras al Mercadona subastando con el cajero? Dale una vuelta...

Todo precio se puede explicar como resultado de la interacción de la oferta y la demanda. Los que desprecian este instrumental para explicar los precios o no lo entienden o pretenden que el resto no lo entiendan. Por ejemplo, un aumento de la especulación en vivienda se puede representar como un incremento del flujo de DEMANDA (hace aumentar el precio) o, si ese mayor flujo de demanda no se traduce en un mayor flujo de oferta (reventa de vivienda), como una reducción del stock de OFERTA (hace aumentar el precio). De la misma manera, si se quiere decir que un aumento de la oferta de vivienda genera un incremento de la demanda de vivienda, eso puede representarse haciendo depender la demanda de, por ejemplo, la utilidad derivada de las ventajas de vivir en una ciudad más poblada. Así pues, cuando alguien afirma que los precios de la vivienda no dependen de "la oferta y la demanda", ¿qué quiere decir exactamente? ¿Hay algún movimiento de precios que no pueda representarse como resultado de un movimiento de la oferta y la demanda? Y si es así, ¿cuál?

@alejperez_ @fernavosc Sin dudas, pero no son conceptos mutuamente excluyentes. Así funcionan por ejemplo las economías de escala, o cualquier producto que se puede producir de masa a coste por unidad mucho menor a producirlo en pequeñas cantidades.

@fernavosc El objetivo no es bajar el precio sino ampliar el negocio.

Si el objetivo de construir más es bajar los precios ¿Por qué no bajarlos directamente? ¿Por qué esperar 10 años más a que "se equilibre el mercado"? La respuesta es que quieren todo el tiempo posible para seguir saqueando.

@thegreencandle_ @JobaGTS @RealNorthEndGuy @concise_msi @waitbutwhy My point was that trying to convince people either way would have insignificant impact in the global result anyways. Not sure how you got 75%, but then you shouldn’t choose based on being right (in which case your choice doesn’t matter) but on the possibility of being wrong

@FedeSchl @JobaGTS @RealNorthEndGuy @concise_msi @waitbutwhy I don't think we actually get to 'convince' people in this scenario, you're just supposed to vote on principle. 75% of the world is collectivist though, so if anything the English population are the wild card (assuming the scenario is communicated clearly).

Everyone survived!

@CarlosBB666 @DerrickEnders @waitbutwhy Care to give a validating example?

@FedeSchl @DerrickEnders @waitbutwhy and that’s exactly what points at an underlying coordination mechanisms. And evolution has proven and selected this “suicidal overestimation” to be successful and ever self perfecting over millions of years.

@CarlosBB666 @zdr_0x @waitbutwhy I don’t know what concepts of coordination are you referring to, but I interpret coordination as implying an agreed upon plan before action (even if not with 100% alignment). Unilateral decisions even if altruistic in assumptions and intent, I don’t call coordination.

Anthropology, evolution and epistemology disagree hard on this. Coordination takes several forms, and pressing the red button is not any of them. 100% of alignment is so statistically unlikely, that the concept of coordination rejects this immediately. The fact that any number of blue button voters exceeded the randomness threshold though, is indeed by itself evidence of coordination, as there was no individual incentive to do so.

@JobaGTS @RealNorthEndGuy @thegreencandle_ @concise_msi @waitbutwhy How many people do you think you could influence and convince to vote blue, when people’s actual lives would be at stake? Even you could convince every single person who understands English, that’s still less than 20% of the world population

@RealNorthEndGuy @thegreencandle_ @FedeSchl @concise_msi @waitbutwhy Yes but in this scenario you literally can stop the blender if you don’t act selfishly

@CarlosBB666 @DerrickEnders @waitbutwhy Assuming your own vote would be the one changing the outcome in a voting with 8 billion people taking part, is in this case literally a suicidal overestimation of your power and influence

@DerrickEnders @waitbutwhy I’d (not) like to see how red button pushers deal with the mess of 49% of world population dead overnight. Good luck rebuilding civilization from that and “everyone for himself” values.

@DerrickEnders @Marco_Barlaam @waitbutwhy And I’m not saying ppl should switch from blue to red, when blue is the expected outcome anyways. I’m trying to exemplify how little weight their votes have, on either direction. And that convincing everyone there to vote blue could easily mean their complete extermination 🤷🏻‍♂️

@DerrickEnders @Marco_Barlaam @waitbutwhy But you may be underestimating the amount of votes needed to change results. Assuming that 58% to 42% would be representative and evenly distributed around the world, one could convince everyone within Nothamerica+Europe to switch to Red, and still not change the global result.

@thegreencandle_ @RealNorthEndGuy @concise_msi @waitbutwhy What if you extend that to “if enough people would just (choose blue)”? Wouldn’t this be a more compelling argument to go red, an not having to count on at least 4 billion doing what you’d consider the right thing to do, in order for you to survive?

@RealNorthEndGuy @concise_msi @waitbutwhy

@waitbutwhy But can we extrapolate the results from this very biased sample of ~0.0012% of the world’s population that understands english, is online and on X, follows Tim Urban or similar content, had enough confidence in their answer, felt compelled to vote, etc… To everyone in the world?

@CarlosBB666 @zdr_0x @waitbutwhy There was no altruistic coordination here either. A true coordination could have had everyone pressing red, as once that’s established as the strategy, all incentives are aligned against anyone unilaterally changing their choice. Not necessarily the case the other way around.

You know, there was once this species not particularly strong in altruism. It was later named “Neanderthals”. Guess what, they were darwinistically wiped out by the competing species “full of retards” who were able to engage in altruistic coordination to guarantee the survival of their species over the totally “non retard” Neanderthals…

@wlmturkey @CincinattusC @jareidz @waitbutwhy How would I call myself a man if I couldn’t prevent myself from dying by exercising my brain on a very simple logical premise?

@FedeSchl @CincinattusC @jareidz @waitbutwhy how do you call yourself a man if you are that afraid of dying

Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?

@CincinattusC @jareidz @waitbutwhy That’s the issue. You are gambling and your survival depends on the result of that gamble. I could also gamble that more than 51% will choose blue and that everyone will survive, regardless of my vote, so I can still ensure my own survival going red in case I turn out to be wrong

@jareidz @waitbutwhy If everyone thought my they would all live too. I’m just gambling that more people would rather see those people that vote blue live too.

@NeroSiegfried @CrimsonDragoro @CincinattusC @jareidz @waitbutwhy If you were to assume other people’s choices random a priori for lack of better evidence, you could easily assume that the chance of either color outnumbering the other is about 50%

@CrimsonDragoro @CincinattusC @jareidz @waitbutwhy 50% chance doesn't sound like a sound calculation

@JAlvar2000 @emilianosordiOK No toda producción de cualquier cosa es mejor. Valor agregado es dif. de valor (total, no por unidad) entre insumos y producción. Si la cuenta cierra mejor con menos procesos productivos, agregar más para elevar el precio del producto final no agrega más valor, sino q lo consume.

@emilianosordiOK Nooo, claro que no, pero genera valor agregado, siempre es mejor promover la produccion de cualquier cosa! El que quiera exportar el grano que lo haga, el que quiera usarlo para criar chanchos mejor aun! Que tiene de malo? Lo que no debe suceder es que se subvencionen cosas.

Claro, los chanchos los llevas caminando? O la gente viene a comer al campo? Los riesgos de empleados y enfermedades de los animales? Porque dejan hablar a cualquier pelotudo?

@caschvindt @emilianosordiOK El maíz cosechado no es materia prima, es una montaña de valor agregado a partir de las semillas de maíz q sembradas en esa campaña, que fueron la materia prima de ese proceso productivo. Que se llama proceso productivo justamente porque produce (genera) algo.

@emilianosordiOK Es correcto el planteo es importante que generemos un valor agregado, no vender la materia prima sola sin generar nada , obviamente que tendra un montón de cuestiones la cria de cerdos pero es una charla espontánea donde tira ideas

@shannabisX @CliveSDavidson @ronrule $10 is 20% of $50. So you are somewhat agreeing that a $15 meal and a $50 meal should be tipped similarly and not strictly based on a % of the meal’s cost, (at least in some cases), and now are arguing more about what the absolute value of that tip should be 🤷🏻‍♂️

I just had a $15 meal and tipped the bartender $10. This is what people with respect and who make a decent living do at restaurants. You wouldn't know about this because you don't go out much and probably live in a town where Applebees is the most you have to pay for a date night because it is all you have. Just remember every time you go in the entire place knows you stiff tips and these people handle your food. Enjoy the spit!

Percentages make no sense for tipping. I go to a restaurant and order a $20 steak. Guy at the table next to me orders a $100 steak. If I tip $5 I’m considered a great tipper, but he’s expected to tip at least $20. Why? The server literally did the same amount of work!

@shannabisX @InhouseGenetics @ronrule Funny that you considered the price differences for steaks at the same restaurant unrealistic in the first example, but now you mention wine, which you should be well aware can vary hugely in prices at the same restaurant without implying any different work for the server.

Yes and I still tipped my servers across France and Italy. Have u been there? They love American gratuities. Especially when you're in a fine dining restaurant and you're going through two or three bottles of wine. We had $500 plus tabs and tipped 20% because we are not cheap and we can actually afford to go to Europe and enjoy ourselves. Otherwise I wouldn't go.

@alecolussi @econ_climb ¿Y vos entendés realmente qué es el valor agregado? ¿O sos de los q creen q embalar un TV importado en un caja de carton y pegarle un sticker q dice “industria nacional” agrega más valor q el proceso de convertir 20 kg de semillas en 5000 kg de biomasa vegetal o una vaca adulta?

@econ_climb vos entendés algo llamado "Valor agregado" no creo, un libro por ahí