Howard Sklar

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Howard Sklar

Howard Sklar

@HowardMSklar

Husband, Father (of five), Endurance Athlete, 2A Advocate, Photographer, Attorney

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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@Rottluver208 The difference is whether they’re in common use. I don’t think there are the numbers for 50, 100rd drums. But maybe I’m wrong, I’m just going on what I’ve seen. And there’s a lot I haven’t seen.
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🇺🇸 Rott Luver 🇺🇸
@HowardMSklar You were doing so good until you stepped all over your dick by that fubar talk about drum mags. There's absolutely nothing legally different between a 30 round AR mag and a 50 or 100 round drum for any type of gun, whether it be a pistol or a rifle. 🙄
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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
What does "in common use for lawful purposes" mean? If a weapon falls into that category, it cannot be banned. Full stop. The Constitution leaves the decision about what tools are proper for self-defense (as one example) *to the People.* But that doesn't put that test into Step 1 of Bruen, as some courts have mistakenly held. It just means that SCOTUS has done the heavy lifting of step 2 for you, if the weapon is in common use. There is NO HISTORICAL TRADITION of banning such weapons. And no analogy will overcome that absence. Weapons NOT in common use CAN STILL BE PROTECTED if there's no tradition of regulating/banning that weapon. One such tradition is regulating weapons that are both dangerous (beyond normal) and unusual. How do you tell if a weapon is in common use? Well…numbers are one way. The AR, for example, is more popular than the Ford F-150. But even without the massive numbers, there is no question that the People have chosen that weapon for home defense and for competition, two eminently lawful purposes. I believe "common use" also extends to weapons that don't sell into the millions. "Unusual" is *not* the opposite of "in common use." Something can be not "in common use" but still not "unusual." Suppressors, for example. Everywhere they're allowed, people buy them. They're prevalent. Which is a synonym for "common." Red dots. Night sights. 10+ magazines (30rd for ARs). Common. When it comes to ammunition, I'd say the common thread is that people buy magazines that allow the maximum amount of ammunition that fits in the standard grip. I don't think 50-100rd drums are in that category. But if tomorrow someone comes out with a 26rd magazine that fits into the standard Glock 19 grip…we shouldn't have to fight over it. The underlying principle here is that the PEOPLE have the right to decide what's necessary for our own defense, public and private.
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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@Rottluver208 Yeah that’s where I end up. But I also think SCOTUS will never hold that way.
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@HowardMSklar Oh dear Lord, I just read your replies to these comments and you actually went backwards on your idea. Machine guns were NEVER regulated until the 20th Century. A true & faithful reading of Bruen means that they're also absolutely protected & can't be restricted.
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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@CMLFrenchy That’s why I say that just because an arm isn’t in common use doesn’t mean it can be banned. You would then go to history.
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ChrisL
ChrisL@CMLFrenchy·
@HowardMSklar 2A doesn’t say anything about “arms in common use” it says shall not be infringed. If the government bans an arm before it hits the shelves that’s still infringing. Nothing to do with in common use
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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@Aaron4America Practically speaking, I think the odds of SCOTUS protecting hand grenades are considerably less than them protecting machine guns, which I think is ZERO. Nor do I think the country is ready for 2A protection for hand grenades. If we push too far, there'll be a backlash.
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Aaron Pearl
Aaron Pearl@Aaron4America·
@HowardMSklar Thanks for the thoughts. I couldn’t agree more in a general sense. I’d like to see SCOTUS deliberate over the separation of explosives from the arms category regarding unusual or common use, like you’ve brought up. Maybe we could achieve more for the gun side of things that way
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Aaron Pearl
Aaron Pearl@Aaron4America·
The only concession I am willing to make here is that nukes do not fall under common use. Other than that, everything (and I mean everything) is fair game. If you can afford it, you should be able to purchase it 🤷🏻‍♂️
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar

What does "in common use for lawful purposes" mean? If a weapon falls into that category, it cannot be banned. Full stop. The Constitution leaves the decision about what tools are proper for self-defense (as one example) *to the People.* But that doesn't put that test into Step 1 of Bruen, as some courts have mistakenly held. It just means that SCOTUS has done the heavy lifting of step 2 for you, if the weapon is in common use. There is NO HISTORICAL TRADITION of banning such weapons. And no analogy will overcome that absence. Weapons NOT in common use CAN STILL BE PROTECTED if there's no tradition of regulating/banning that weapon. One such tradition is regulating weapons that are both dangerous (beyond normal) and unusual. How do you tell if a weapon is in common use? Well…numbers are one way. The AR, for example, is more popular than the Ford F-150. But even without the massive numbers, there is no question that the People have chosen that weapon for home defense and for competition, two eminently lawful purposes. I believe "common use" also extends to weapons that don't sell into the millions. "Unusual" is *not* the opposite of "in common use." Something can be not "in common use" but still not "unusual." Suppressors, for example. Everywhere they're allowed, people buy them. They're prevalent. Which is a synonym for "common." Red dots. Night sights. 10+ magazines (30rd for ARs). Common. When it comes to ammunition, I'd say the common thread is that people buy magazines that allow the maximum amount of ammunition that fits in the standard grip. I don't think 50-100rd drums are in that category. But if tomorrow someone comes out with a 26rd magazine that fits into the standard Glock 19 grip…we shouldn't have to fight over it. The underlying principle here is that the PEOPLE have the right to decide what's necessary for our own defense, public and private.

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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@ErolBayburt1 On 2A grounds or Equal Protection grounds? I think both, but 2A might be easier.
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Erol Bayburt
Erol Bayburt@ErolBayburt1·
@HowardMSklar If a firearm or other weapon type is in common use by law enforcement, then it ought to be a slam dunk that it's protected. And any 'gun control' law that exempts law enforcement ought to be struck down as an unconstitutional infringement as a matter of summary judgment.
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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
Yes on the trap gun. I think explosives generally can be regulated. Bans are possibly different. I haven't thought through how much public defense would support a case where the tool is unusually dangerous for self-defense. I don't like getting into discussions about "inappropriate" for self-defense, because that's a question for the People. But grenades are certainly unusual.
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Aaron Pearl
Aaron Pearl@Aaron4America·
@HowardMSklar By trap gun do you mean, a gun fired by a trip wire type setup? Hand grenades are tricky though, yes? Since explosives can be manufactured in many different ways so how would we separate hand grenades/explosives, for example, from all other “arms” w/o creating a slippery slope?
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Infinity Tenant
Infinity Tenant@InfinityTenant·
@HowardMSklar @gunpolicy I am guessing they haven't posted the brief intentionally. DC requested expedited procedures for the en banc. The court not posting the brief trips up the other side. One or two days less time for Benson, USG and others to review plus a shortened schedule. Shifty.
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Firearms Policy Coalition
DC asks the court to take the case that struck down its magazine ban en banc without asking for a response, saying that the decision "causes immediate and severe risks to public safety" and "opens the floodgates for large-capacity magazines [] to surge into the District."
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Firearms Policy Coalition@gunpolicy

Washington DC filed an en banc petition today in the case that struck down the city’s magazine ban (the docket doesn't currently show a downloadable document for the filing): efile.dcappeals.gov/public/caseVie…

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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@bryanlafonte Another Court, I think Illinois, the 7th Circuit?, looked at an AR ban and just looked at the Colt model, saying they hadn't properly pled the rest, or something like that.
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Bryan LaFonte
Bryan LaFonte@bryanlafonte·
@HowardMSklar Heller considered handguns in general, so not very specific. In an example from an “assault weapon” ban case (Heller II), then-Judge Kavanaugh applied the common use test to “semi-automatic rifles” in general.
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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
Another question on "in common use": how specific do you get? If we say pistols are in common use, can the state respond that the p365 may be, but the Atlas Athena isn't? Can the state regulate hammer-fired pistols because they're not as popular as striker-fired? Or steel framed pistols? Not in common use, but polymer is? Can they say that *some* ARs are in common use, but not others? I don't think I've heard a State make this argument, but it's not a terrible one. Thoughts, @JesusOseteDOJ @AAGDhillon @fourboxesdiner @MorosKostas @hannahhill_sc @2Aupdates @robdoar @ppatterson85 @Arrinba3870 @GunWashington
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Kostas Moros
Kostas Moros@MorosKostas·
They scream in terror that California saw a surge in magazines during freedom week, and they need to prevent that. But California could point to no harm that resulted from that! And they later admitted in a different oral argument (Sanchez v. Bonta I think) that none did. The fact that DC has banned magazines over ten rounds so long is a reason to NOT stay this ruling - that constitutional violation has persisted long enough.
Firearms Policy Coalition@gunpolicy

DC asks the court to take the case that struck down its magazine ban en banc without asking for a response, saying that the decision "causes immediate and severe risks to public safety" and "opens the floodgates for large-capacity magazines [] to surge into the District."

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Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@SonOfAristotle I hear that. But it could take them out of "in common use," right? I argue that those are two different standards.
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Sole Voice Of Reason
Sole Voice Of Reason@SonOfAristotle·
@HowardMSklar It's not a very good argument. The Supreme Court referred to different "sorts" of firearms in Heller. Heller & Bruen protected all handguns. I suppose a state could try to ban 50 AE handguns calling them D&U, but the other features are trivial, don't make guns more or less D&U.
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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@2aHistory Interesting…so a gun with Trump's face etched in the side? Ban-able? Because you just know that some court would say it was designed to instill fear. Or could a State say that they want to regulate the Desert Eagle .50cal because it's not in common use?
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2A History
2A History@2aHistory·
Has to be at a higher level.. Machineguns vs semiauto would be probably the example that SCOTUS would go for. And actually did, in Staples. But leaving a possibility of even cosmetic features causing a gun to be banned (for carry at least) if it was intended to inspire fear among the citizenry.
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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@gunpolicy As the (I think) reply brief says all the District has to do to avoid the worst of the consequences—the inability to charge gun possession—is to faithfully comply with the decision and allow registration of firearms with 10+ magazines.
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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@2aHistory Practically, yes. I'm wondering as a legal theory question…what do you think?
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2A History
2A History@2aHistory·
@HowardMSklar How specific can you get will depend on the circuit you're in. You'll be able to argue down to the model in the 9th. 5th may not get too far.
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Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@GreyGhostVolvo @MorosKostas To be clear, I'm NOT saying that commonality is a step 1 issue. Just the opposite. If it's an arm, it's presumptively protected. But if it's both unusual and unusually dangerous, there's a national tradition of regulating it.
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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
@GreyGhostVolvo No, but I think the Founders, when they wrote the 2A, would have understood it to exclude dangerous and unusual weapons. That's what SCOTUS said, at least. You have a right to uncommon weapons, but not to dangerous and unusual ones. Maybe @MorosKostas can opine.
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Howard Sklar
Howard Sklar@HowardMSklar·
I think machine guns are an interesting category. They're incredibly dangerous. And when they were available, people generally didn't choose them for their own defense, or their home. But they're useful for public defense, and I think there's something to be said for the argument that the People should have access to the same level of bearable arms that the military has. But by the numbers, there are a LOT of them. I also think that it's entirely theoretical. Because while, IMHO, a faithful application of Bruen would require machine guns to be protected, I fully believe that there is ZERO chance that SCOTUS will overturn a ban on machine guns. It's just one step too far for the average person to accept.
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