Ian Cook

@JordanAcademia0 @broethius7 oh wow, you've come all the way to now being skeptical hadiths go back to the prophet? do you still consider yourself sunni?

First one isn't in any early hadith collection nevertheless the main 6 ones. Second one is obviously weak, with no chain. The chain of narration is not good, that is just a lie. Third one also isn't authentic. Hisham bin Saed is weak as was said by Yahya bin Maen, and weakened by an-Nasai. Abdul Rahman bin Abi Awf is unknown [said by Abul Hasan al-Qatan al-Fasi] and wasn't known to be a narrator of hadith. Technically out of context, since it's just Arab culture that Arabs would give thirst to the children like that when they're dehydrated. Not defending that by any means but the claim is that its "homoerotic". Clearly not. Even if hypothetically all three of these were labeled as "sahih", they still wouldn't be authentic to the historical Muhammad due to several reasons already shown in modern hadith criticism.

for those thinking that jesus is from india via the news should see my old thread here :) #india #christianity #jesus

@AEnjoyer447201 well they did bring the price down...isn't selling very well lol

Why the heck is it that expensive?

@MiharaMiha21717 @BaytAlHikmah1 no. we have a divinely revealed set of rules (including gender roles) that we follow

@BaytAlHikmah1 Then make sons wear it too

This whole idea that putting hijab on a child “implies sexualisation” just isn’t based on anything in Islam. Hijab is simply a command of modesty from Allah, not some reaction to a child’s body being sexualised. Children aren’t even religiously obligated to wear it.

@theGoldenAge64 @BaytAlHikmah1 first off, do you know the kids refuse to wear it? most girls i knew growing up in my family were excited to wear it at a young age and wanted to emulate their mothers. second, kids can refuse stuff that's good for them. havent you ever seen kids refuse to clean up or eat, etc?

@BaytAlHikmah1 That's basically forcing the children to do it!! Introducing it is forcing it, do they listen to kids when they refuse to wear it?

@GabrielSaidR @IsmailRoyer we don't listen to music

@IsmailRoyer and the name of the main character in Guys n' Dolls - he goes by the nickname Sky and the reveal of his real name - "Obadiah" is a big moment in the musical 😁

Interestingly, the name of the Biblical Obadiah עֹבַדְיָהוּ (also considered a prophet in Islam) is the same as the Arabic name Abdullah عبد الله . The Arabic cognate of the Hebrew "Obad" (servant, worshipper) is "Abd." "Yah" is the short form of "Yahweh," i.e., God, i.e., Allah.

@floatingwordist *ICMA* lol

i suspect that once all the hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of ahadith with all their chains and tradents are digitized and icma is performed on every single tradition ever recorded we shall not be closer to recovering the precise words of the prophet than we are now

I have searched near and far for any parallel concept about Interest/Usury being ubiquitous at the end of times or near the apocalypse in jewish and christian texts. I have not found any examples.

@meowbundi @MisaqQa @NOTHINGBURGAH this is honestly my fav malm story lol

@MisaqQa @NOTHINGBURGAH monday night 88, minute 22, second 45

the taqwa of abu layth

@BaxterWilliams_ why do you hate the idea of it? i would do it in a heartbeat tbh

@o0o_o0o_o0onice @refuting_kufar yeah. and interestingly, this issue of solar eclipses validates our isnad system and puts pressure on the claim the gospel authors were writing accurate history

@IanCook321 @refuting_kufar You’re Muslim?

Jesus is alive (Luke 24:51) Enoch is alive (Hebrews 11:5) Elijah is alive (2 Kings 2:11) Who should we worship?

@refuting_kufar @o0o_o0o_o0onice Yeah. I think Mark just describes it as a darkness, and you can get away with it being more of a supernatural event maybe. But Luke makes it more explicitly a solar eclipse, and so it is a historical difficulty in the text

@IanCook321 @o0o_o0o_o0onice Yes. That's how some church fathers understood it. But the problem is, the eclipse mentioned by NASA was a Lunar Eclipse. That too, a partial Lunar Eclipse. Lunar eclipses cannot possibly cause darkness and they are only visible at the night time. The Gospels describe a Solar one

@refuting_kufar @o0o_o0o_o0onice our best manuscripts of luke actually explicitly make the darkness of Mark into a solar eclipse.

@o0o_o0o_o0onice It's not a “commonly held position”. Atleast not among critical historians. Scholara would generally assign the crucifixion a vague timeline, perhaps early 30s. Matthew doesn't say anything about the moon. He only mentions darkness during the crucifixion which was in the day.

@ShaykhIshraq is it mostly for the reasons Van Kooten highlighted?

Like van Kooten, I am also convinced that John is one of the earliest, if not the earliest, Gospels. At the very least, a substantial proto-John existed around 60 CE. As soon as I am done with my ongoing Islamic and cognitive scientific projects, I will write on this issue.

@the_qadrii @IsmailRoyer @dmontetheno1 قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ نِعْمَتَانِ مَغْبُونٌ فِيهِمَا كَثِيرٌ مِنْ النَّاسِ الصِّحَّةُ وَالْفَرَاغُ

@IsmailRoyer @dmontetheno1 Thank you for the advice. Luckily, we are rich with time.

Western Islamic Studies: Orientalist or Not? A new piece by me & @the_qadrii! A guide for Muslims to engage Western scholarship on Islam without sacrificing faith. Not to delegitimize scholarship or religion. (Link below)

@BasedDostoevski @abduallah_amin mongols were one people, and were not working or communicating together with others to attack muslim lands. this is purely a modern phenomenon, at most only a couple hundred years old. and never before have muslims been this weak and this numerous and this non practicing

@abduallah_amin Nobody really made any points in your defense lol. "Muslims being weak" is not true, we were objectively weaker (or just as weak) during the mongol invasions or during the height of western colonialism. Just blatantly false claims you're making

People have literally throughout time always claimed that somehow all prophesies are just coincidentally coming true is exactly THEIR time. What does "numerous" mean here? Why is 2 billion "numerous" but not 1 billion? And why not 3 billion? Have some restraint.

@4Corners87012 @BelAves @btharris93 Gov Bush Gov Jindal Gov Walker

@BelAves @btharris93 Who's the LA one and WI ones?

The 2016 GOP Primary was so depressing. A narcissistic, wildly unconservative conman gradually built steam (helped by the media) before winning with ease. And now 10 years later he's remade the American right into a personality cult reminiscent of the Soviet Communist Party.

@ytrihs @UniversalS314 @dmontetheno1 yeah. people leave or become irreligious mostly bc they don't find it important enough and get distracted by this world

@UniversalS314 @dmontetheno1 dude icl I don’t think academia is a real issue outside of these weird discord / twitter circles

This is indeed a serious crisis, and it’s even worse to see it take shape irl within our communities. We need to do better at engaging with youth intellectually and socially and inviting them to the masjid! It requires sincere effort and creativity!

@locS022 @IsmailD99870399 @GodLogic_GL what type of meta ethics did Abraham subscribe to? How did he come to the realization that sacrificing his son was a morally okay thing to do?

@IanCook321 @IsmailD99870399 @GodLogic_GL Lmao im not gonna speak to a retard who thinks that DCT is the only ethical theory for theists. Open up some books first and i know its hard with ur 80 iq inbreed brain but at least try

If you ever wondered why Muslim apologists start boiling inside when you bring up moral objections to Muhammad, this is why. On the outside, Muslims pretend that Muhammad is the greatest man ever. Deep down inside, they know they're better than he is.

@locS022 @IsmailD99870399 @GodLogic_GL if you have good reasons to think that doing xyz will save you from eternal torment and give you eternal goodness, and you have evidence for that being true, a rational actor will do it.

@locS022 @IsmailD99870399 @GodLogic_GL yes. the abrahamic faiths are divine command theory based. abraham was instructed to violate his most fundamental moral intuitions and kill his own son. God allowed for something to take his place as a mercy, but the lesson is whatever God commands is just and correct