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@AwphulFonetic @RemyTheRedVT @MrSavage04 An estimate on 10-15% of the population can easily be outweighed by the critical thinking. But why not save those few babies who would press blue

@RemyTheRedVT @MrSavage04 Key word being "estimate" which is an assumption. The entire exercise is based on what one assumes. If one assumes it isn't an actual vote, but the act of pushing the button, then one should also consider cause and affect + root cause. Why is it happening at all? Who set it up?

I’m late to the red/blue party but here’s my take I guess lol. Simplest view I can give is: Yes, if everyone is able to touch the button with full awareness of what they’re doing and no chance to fuck up, red makes sense. But that isn’t how reality would ever play out. In a scenario where -everyone- gets the red/blue button at the same time, you have the following: -old, baby, blind, deaf, asleep, unconscious, incapacitated, etc people who cannot touch either button, or end up touching the blue button in error -no guaranteed ability to make sure people you care about touch the red button -awareness that no matter how you feel about it, a certain number of people will touch blue. The red/blue button includes people who don’t touch the button at all as part of who dies if 51% of people don’t touch blue. So every coma patient, every person in surgery, every quadriplegic, or person with an inability to choose dies, not just blue button pushers. It also doesn’t clarify whether or not, for example, unborn children who are close to birth count as ‘everyone’ by the standards of whatever horrible entity decided the red/blue button question would be a fun thing to pose to humanity. So what do we do if the death radius includes fetuses inside their mothers as people who didn’t choose? And would you really want to take a chance on whether or not they are included since there’s no way to guarantee it? Under that scenario, choosing red guarantees a lot of people die through no fault of their own if more people press red than blue. I’m not going to pretend I’m a saint, because I’m not. I cannot rightly promise that I wouldn’t press red if there was a guaranteed way for me to ensure everyone I love did too. But because I can’t guarantee that, I would most likely press blue, because that is the only way I could maximise the chance that my loved ones, including the ones who can’t choose would survive. Is it silly from a pure survival standpoint? Yeah, probably. But I don’t think I could live with the guilt of knowing I killed my sisters unborn child, or my toddler niece who likes blue more than red, or my dad when he’s unconscious in surgery because I wasn’t willing to risk my life to try and hit a measly 51% target.

@OptimizerAdam @WatcherontheWeb Private vote would imply no prior knowledge to know what the votes about. Since prior knowledge would just ruin the experiment entirely.

@WatcherontheWeb It didnt stipulate in the rules about this. My children would have informed consent and we would all pick red.

If your kid picked blue and died you would either be dead as well, or you would feel guilty for picking red If my kid picked blue and died I would feel guilty I didn't do a better job of teaching them to pick red We are not the same

@DogLoud @supergeekmike @IsNotBlank Not really if it clarifies everyone on earth means everyone on earth

@supergeekmike @IsNotBlank Did they? That changes the question and must have been posted separately form his initial response. That adds a. Random coin flip element to everything and would completely change the logic here

Notice that blue people just elaborate on the original premise to reveal just how many people would press blue, extrapolating the obvious consequences for others, for the world, etc. And red people keep changing the question to completely different, dumber scenarios.

@Franix97Twitch @mElonMario01 @Talliy The road wasn't even part of the original scenario. So you can't unvote

@mElonMario01 @Talliy 'cause taking the baby and getting them out of the road is too hard, you must stay there and risk to die. But sure, WE're the ones that try to make you look stupid despite you make such a fine work on your own.

R: "Bro, get out of the road. You'll get hit by a car!" B: "Not if we all stand in the road!" R: "I'm not suicidal, no!" B: "You're killing me!!" Dude. These people make me want to push the red button for reasons other than the logic with their "arguments".

@x_lncy @mElonMario01 @Talliy Not once the vote is cast

@mElonMario01 @Talliy parents can force their kid to get off the road bro

@VerglAlphaOm3ga @Neabem05 @gfodor Yeah but the original question never stipulated everyone understood the vote and its consequences. If it's as the question is written I'd vote blue for all the kids who did.

Its an added parameter because its not clear if to handle this with game theory meaning all participants are rational. I initially didn’t think of this as a human problem, which is why I chose red, because no one who has rational thought should choose blue. Blue choosers approach this as a human problem, where “everyone” is literally everyone, they even think about the aftermath of the world and the supply chain etc (which I honestly don’t believe is how the initial prompt was intended)

The funniest thing about the “vote blue to save the children who randomly voted blue” position is that I have seen zero of its promoters consider the children who randomly voted red.

@ZionFell @_sevatar @gfodor That's only 25% at most. That wouldn't understand the question. So condemn them by pressing red or just everyone with a brain press blue to save them.

@_sevatar @gfodor You idiot...you are voting blue to save the mentally ill, handicapped, babies, toddlers, etc. If not enough of those people accidentally hit blue, you have just committed suicide for nothing. You will not understand what I just said to you.

@camhigby No.

@FairyTailDragon @TH3E3O @ShitpostRock2 In the poll yes. But if the question were real in a vote of everyone on earth like the question posed it would include babies.

@TH3E3O @ShitpostRock2 No it didn't. It only talked about people who pushed a red or blue button. You don't get to include people who don't get to push a button.

Dumbest fucking hypothetical ever posted

@grendel028 @TH3E3O @ShitpostRock2 Put it this way. Your child chose blue because they like the color and didn't understand the consequences. Wouldn't you choose blue to save them. If it's a blind vote you can't vote for them.

@TH3E3O @ShitpostRock2 So I need to endanger myself and my family because people are too stupid to think for themselves? I don't think so.

@GooDragon0 @TH3E3O @ShitpostRock2 No one said everyone would. It just says everyone on earth.

@TH3E3O @ShitpostRock2 if everyone has knowledge of red button being a safe option where nobody gets hurt, in what mindset does pressing blue achieve?

@_Texas_Chris_ @TH3E3O @ShitpostRock2 Children...? The question posed was for everyone on earth. Regardless of age, mental capacity

@TH3E3O @ShitpostRock2 We fully understand this. We choose not to risk our lives to save people too stupid not to risk theirs.

@Gr8DayJay @vusjibin @TheExCount @doxntme And what about those who can't comprehend the question. It clearly says everyone on earth. So children who will just hit a random button. Ones who prefer blue to red and don't care about the question. Those are the ones you'd condemn with pressing red.

@vusjibin @TheExCount @doxntme If no one presses the blue button, EVERYONE survives.

What is it with red button pushers rewriting the question, like you're presenting an entirely different scenario

@Zanzuhbar @doxntme I'd choose blue to save to 100 kids that chose blue because they weren't able to understand the question. Proves I have a soul and you dont

@doxntme Blue: You may die. Red: You have no chance of dying. If you are too stupid to understand this, you deserve your fate. Only a blue voter who chooses chance of death over certain life is the bad person. This is a very elementary level concept.

@rememberthatti2 @ScottBBogart @MattWalshBlog Do you even know what a leftist is. Anyone mtg and left I assume. Since literally everything is leftist to you fools. Independents laugh in your face

@ScottBBogart @MattWalshBlog “I hate Trump and as a leftist I am an expert in creating hoaxes, therefore this attempt on Trumps life must be a hoax too, and because my feelings say so, you must prove me wrong rather than require me to prove my feelings!”

No president has ever been targeted for assassination three times. The level of political violence from the left is historic. We've never seen anything like it in the entire history of this nation. It's a five alarm fire. National emergency. Drastic measures must be taken.

@thakybacky @AzelfDaGirl The original post said nothing about being killed for being a Democrat. Just that they be a democrat

@AzelfDaGirl Not defending the original post but the example you keep using was in no way a political killing, it was a domestic.

...You cant say this seriously. Like...it happened literally this month????

@Browns88B @wineglassmako @TodaysHistory13 @AzelfDaGirl They said nothing about politics. So why you bringing it up.

@wineglassmako @TodaysHistory13 @AzelfDaGirl A husband killing his wife over non political reasons isn't the same as an assassination attempt. What don't you understand?

@adam_vanicek @RobynJLeader @cturnbull1968 At 6 times the cost

@RobynJLeader @cturnbull1968 …but they got repaired under the Trump administration because it actually does something useful

What if I told you it cost $17.4M to fix the fountains and it was a no-bid contract?

@ahhh_jeez @Erik75071631 @darth_kirk @bennyjohnson They don't have to challenge it. The courts will because it conflicts with a previous ruling on autopen, trump will have to prove the illegality. When he could've just reversed them the normal way.

@Erik75071631 @darth_kirk @bennyjohnson Nah, they're free to challenge it, but I bet they won't.

BREAKING: President Trump has officially terminated every Executive Order and all other documents Joe Biden signed with the autopen: “Any document signed by Sleepy Joe Biden with the Autopen, which was approximately 92% of them, is hereby terminated, and of no further force or effect. The Autopen is not allowed to be used if approval is not specifically given by the President of the United States. The Radical Left Lunatics circling Biden around the beautiful Resolute Desk in the Oval Office took the Presidency away from him.” “I am hereby cancelling all Executive Orders, and anything else that was not directly signed by Crooked Joe Biden, because the people who operated the Autopen did so illegally. Joe Biden was not involved in the Autopen process and, if he says he was, he will be brought up on charges of perjury. Thank you for your attention to this matter!”

@BumbleBiiTuna @FeagleLegal @DriverHawk @FlyingDutchPall Not even close. Trumps ai one even has the same feather pattern as nazi metal ones with the crossing lines on the chest. Of course he would leave the swastika out though.