Jayphen

Lesson learned today: compiling macOS/iOS apps in GitHub CI is stupidly expensive (10x the cost of standard Linux runners). I blew through my monthly minutes just getting it deploying to Testflight. The allure of a dedicated Mac Mini becomes ever greater.

@dannolan It certainly is not

I don’t buy that Kimi is better than opus and I’ve not see anyone clamouring about that makes anything anyone actually uses - just a bunch of faceless ai hyping gimps trying to get $10 a month out of Twitter payouts

@tejask @stolinski It's definitely overhyped and most people will struggle to do anything useful with it. But it also made me think about building things differently and for that's it's invaluable

@tejask @stolinski I don't think it's a skill issue necessarily. Clawdbot has broken repeatedly on me in the 2 weeks I've been using it and I've spent many long debugging sessions with the gateway provider setup (antigravity was broken for a week). If you can afford Opus as primary model it's ok

this was really bad behavior of me. it was not right. i apologize—especially to the author of this project. they were probably just trying to do some good and didn’t deserve such dishonor. i realize its because the timeline is so full of hype and promises and people buying mac minis en masse that i felt cheated and scammed similar to the rabbit device and the humane pin. i am tired of ai hype overpromising and underdelivering. as respectfully as possible, clawdbot was overpromised to me and severely underdelivered. this led to frustration and ultimately to me being disrespectful. this isn’t cool. while it doesn’t excuse it (there is no excuse), i hope it explains it. i will do my best to make it right. even if a product doesn’t provide a decent experience, i still should maintain respect and honor.

@wesbos @greg_white So far every 3-4 days I have it spend an hour or two debugging why the gateway stopped working or why it stopped replying or forgot skills that it previously used confidently Creating new skills is a breeze though, that's the most fun thing

@greg_white Exactly. The amount of times I spent time looking at the docs on how to change something when I realized I could just ask it to change itself

Clawdbot haters are missing the point Hardcore users are very quickly figuring out the useful parts of what one agent that can do anything. Lots is crap, but some very useful workflows will come from this The other is that clawdbot itself is a massive app gen’d by AI with a CRACKED dev at the reigns. We’re witnessing a new type of workflow here. Again, that might not be good. But let them cook and spend their money to figure it out

@MaxRovensky @thekitze @peduarte making website specific booking handling with playwright and llm to help selectors is not really groundbreaking, we've been doing that for years

@MaxRovensky @thekitze @peduarte I am not setting up a skill for every random restaurant I wanna book lol

i want to clarify something: i think the project is amazing. even more so that is open source. the interest the community has shown is beautiful i like it that it enables certain things in a relatively elegant way. being able to trigger your own automations and workflows remotely, from telegram/discord/etc is really really cool aside from being able to have 24/7 remote access to your files/etc, it doesn't seem to be as groundbreaking as people claim "you can send a message from telegram to search for a car 50 miles radius and have it negotiate the price for you" ARE YOU FOR REAL? "you can remotely ask for it to organise your Downloads folder" REALLY? "you can ask for it to tweet something using its headless browser" WHY? so my initial tweet was genuinely saying i havent seen any useful use cases with it. the amount of people buying mac minis and going on about it, vs the actual useful use cases seem insane to me like, you could do a lot of those things with any AI that has access to tools. Raycast/Claude Code/even Cursor really yes, i work for a company that champions productivity, where not wasting time is more important than saving every ms. the CEO doesnt even have Slack on his phone the last thing I want more reason to be attached to my phone. when im not on my laptop, it means im spending real time with family, friends, books, myself, my camera so yeah, it's weird for me understand and appreciate this mentality of having access to everything all the time, always connected, always on, always "productive" i hope im expressing it well. no hate from me. experiment as you wish. have fun. thats what tech is all about (just dont make everyone feel like theyre dumb or missing out or inferior for not jumping on the hype train)

@thekitze @peduarte @MaxRovensky Personally I'm using it mostly to shart out tools for myself which is fun, and it also has some dumb automations around managing certain data I feel safe to give it. Giving it credit card details and browser access and letting it do whatever unchecked is very dumb

@thekitze @peduarte @MaxRovensky Yeah I can see it being a possibility in the future. But the tooling we are using in that future will most likely look different to clawdbot mess. I agree with Pedro's more balanced take. It's kinda useful now, but most people won't get much use from it.

@MaxRovensky @thekitze @peduarte I mean it took ages and asked me a lot of clarifying questions

@Jayphen @thekitze @peduarte I don't really care how long it takes as long as it happens in the background tbh x.com/MaxRovensky/st…

@thekitze @peduarte @MaxRovensky Booking a flight is mad. I asked it to book me a restaurant (opus) and it took way longer than filling the form with my own brain

@peduarte the point is we are there. @maxrovensky already booking flights. you can always double confirm sensitive actions. telegram is not the only channel, you can talk to this in a trillion ways, including a phone call and meta glasses. and if you can't see it yet ...

@peduarte I think a lot of the power of clawdbot is how messy it is, and most people using it are not thinking for a second about security. It's very buggy. Refining it into a paid product would also mean removing a lot of its power, since you'd need to put way more guardrails on it

@sonnylazuardi @openclaw Similar quality to Opus seems like a bit of an overstatement

kimi 2.5 running on clawdbot @openclaw is so good 8x cheaper than claude opus 4.5, similar quality

@thekitze @zerotoshipped The clawdhub website is awful. Try the search feature

when we were like 100 ppl in the clawdis discord and clawdhub was not a thing yet i told pete to fork @zerotoshipped (can self host on a server for pennies) he was like no i'll vibe code a platform with convex result 👇😂 DO NOT VIBE CODE THE BASICS FROM SCRATCH

@peduarte raspberry pi 5 I had one running 24/7 already so adding another user was easy also I can restrict traffic at the dns level since I'm also running a dns server. also tailscale etc.

where are you running clawdbot and why? local computer, vps, mac mini (dedicated device for it)

In my limited experience using qwen with Claude Code it just kept looping through files, reading them, deciding it needed more context, looping on other files, and so on until 6 mins later I told it to take a nap

@HaroldADunne @observer_46958 @kenwheeler I reckon people are buying them without ever running a local model on anything before. Even the decent models (qwen) running on a 4090 with 24GB VRAM are pretty shit. With the ultra low context models a mini could run, it's not gonna be a fun time. Happy to be wrong tho

They’re paying for unified memory M1-4’s, GPUs, convenience/portability. Mac mini’s can run some LLMs locally. And most of the ppl buying mini’s probably have iPhones, so iMessage gets forwarded to the macOS. You could run it headless on a raspberry PI & it’s much cheaper. If the device can run nodeJS….it’ll run Clawdbot.

brian fuckin johnson put a clawdbot on a mini and you’re blackpilling?

@teejaydev @kenwheeler The Science and Security Board of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists own the board. Sounds pretty sciencey

@kenwheeler Are they even scientists? Seems a bit too theatrical for that

@fmdz387 @thekitze Dammit I just built this

@thekitze I think this feature flagged CC featuer could be interesting to you x.com/fmdz387/status…

you can craft yourself employees from thin air it's up to you to teach them workflows and give them skills teach them to collaborate and set up autonomy it's all up to you now, stop the excuses

@thekitze I've been doing this for a year, I dont use apple photos anymore but my wife does. I have iCloudpd or something pull her photos from iCloud and then delete them from iCloud every day. Also just set up a clawdbot immich cron to send us random photos of us every day

oh god not this i'm gonna become even more insufferable if i do this ..