@rtvrn2svbvrb @QuasLacrimas No, not in verifiable domains. I might not understand a given Stockfish move, but the proof is in the winning.
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@QuasLacrimas Isn’t the word for information ai provides for us that we can’t comprehend hallucination?
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The thing to understand is that in both chess and go, the AI's can play games with each other that are very close to mathematically perfect, but they are filled with long passages humans find impossible to understand without careful study and would not be able to play to a win;
Jason Abaluck@Jabaluck
I suspect math will be like Chess and Go due to verifiability. The period of fruitful collaboration between humans and AI will be short (i.e. a few years or less, not a decade). Progress in math will be jagged, with harder to formalize fields coming last, but I suspect this jaggedness will be compressed in time -- I expect superhuman performance at (nearly?) all areas of math within a few years (a few = 2-3?). AIs will also be better at asking pure math questions than humans, and will quickly develop theories beyond human comprehension. Human theorists will have a recreational comparative advantage over other humans in understanding these theories, but AIs will be better at communicating these theories to applied researchers. Pure mathematicians will need to become applied researchers to do productive work, until applied research is also automated. Confidence level for prediction: 50-65% for gist, 40-50% for all above claims being correct.
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@politicalmath I wonder how Wilson translated the infamous episode of Boetheodes' nuts.
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I've been following the "Christopher Nolan used Emily Wilson's translation of the Odyssey" story but I felt like I just didn't have the grounding to judge if Wilson's translation was good or bad
So I talked with a friend who speaks Ancient Greek to see what the scholarly world thought of it
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Boomers really grew up in this and said “gee you know what this needs? 100 million retarded third worlders to take all the jobs and homes from our own children and to make everything terrible.”
🇺🇸 The American Culturist 🇺🇸@MericaCulture
The parades of the 1976 Bicentennial
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@indif4ent @captgouda24 @allTheYud Opus 4.7 is way better at math than previous versions. It's still not as good as OAI's latest, but Anthropic is starting to take it more seriously and it's starting to show.
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@captgouda24 @allTheYud rather, anthropic cant, lol. claude is just not that good at math
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Math grad student friend comments on the recent Erdős proof.
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@thatnikkibeach @davekammeyer @stylishdawg Sure they will. They'll let you back in with an expired passport, or no passport at all if they can verify who you are. US citizens have a legal right to enter the US.
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@davekammeyer @stylishdawg Yeah but the us wont let you back in, it makes no sense it makes more sense that another country denies you
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@TheBroskiUSA @wtgowers @GaryMarcus Here let me spoil it for you: "Deep learning is hitting a wall..."
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If you are a mathematician, then you may want to make sure you are sitting down before reading further.
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@puzzling1 @FischerKing64 Yes. That's *bad*. It's why no one can afford a house.
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@FischerKing64 For every $1,000/yr in property tax reduction a home value should rise by about $20,000. That said, home values in many places are already quite inflated (and interest rates rapidly rising), but eliminating property tax would be an instant boost to home values.
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My suspicion on the ‘abolish property tax’ stuff - largely coming out of Florida - is that older boomers want an instant home valuation bump so they can take out all the equity through a ‘reverse mortgage’ and then live out the end on cruise ships and leave nothing to relatives.
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@FuturistASI @allTheYud Straight line in log space - exponential. Look at where AI was in January 2023, 40 months ago. ChatGPT had just been released for the first time. Imagine that same relative improvement, even just one more time.
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@Matt95261 @allTheYud Because of the acceleration of the technology? It’s not linear?
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Every month a new guy discovers LLMs; discovers a skill the current LLMs require to get good results; and writes about the future jobs that will always be available for smart people like HIM, that are SKILLED in using LLMs.
The next generation of AIs doesn't need his fancy prompt. The image model goes from needing to type in just the right set of weird words and cryptic sorcerous invocations, to most people being able to type in English what they want and get a pretty good result.
There are still tasks that require careful invocation. But they are a much smaller fraction of all the tasks people are trying to do, or you can get a bleh result without the elaborate invocation to get it really good. And to improve on the bleh result you need to be substantially more of an expert than back when the Guy was memorizing a rule about adding "trending on Artstation" to the image prompts, as would always require a human paid to do that.
Another generation of AIs comes out. The next generation of Clever Skills is obsolete. Image models just obey the instructions for compositing panels without mixing them up, and you don't need to be an expert to get them to do it right. Another human value-add is gone. A wider set of tasks require no human expert.
Now a new Guy notices LLMs have become useful in his field for the first time. He discovers they require SKILL to use CORRECTLY. He posts about how there will always be jobs for humans who are SKILLED in using LLMs like HIM.
But it is not an infinite cycle. It is not the same each time it repeats. Now the Guy is a highly paid programmer or a career mathematician in 2026, instead of a graphic artist in 2023.
In six months the models will no longer require his vaunted Skills.
And by then there will be another Guy.
But the process doesn't continue forever. The Guys are coming from fields that were harder and harder for AIs. The brief centaur eras are shorter and shorter.
Today it is writers who are laughing at how bad the LLMs are at their job, and who will perhaps soon be posting about how it takes Skill to get an LLM to do their job Correctly. But the models are coming faster, and the eras of kinds of human value-add in each field are shortening.
There is a point when you run out of Guys, either because the centaur eras are too short for people to develop SKILLs and post to Twitter about them; or because there are not lands left for AIs to conquer; or because ordinary people are not reassured by some Nobel laureate proclaiming there will always be jobs for Nobel laureates with the SKILLS to prompt robotized biology labs Correctly.
But we'll never run out of amateur economists who assert entirely *without* a brief contemporary example that there will always be jobs for humans skilled at operating AIs!
We'll run out of professional economists saying it when nobody is paid for that work anymore.
I guess we'll also run out of amateur economists when they're dead.
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@SensibleFascist Funny thing is Eric Kripke is a Zionist Jew
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17 minutes into The Boys finale and the worlds richest man walks into the White House wearing a Dark Homelander hat, says he loves space, has 15 kids, and is concerned about white birth rates.
So subtle.
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@KT_GenXer1969 @allTheYud How many jobs have a hard requirement of "be a human"? Priest, maybe? Are there enough of those jobs for literally everyone?
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@allTheYud I get that BUT isn't there already a huge backlash against ai slop? And humans crave human authenticity (in certain functions) and this will force businesses to retain humans for those functions?
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@allTheYud Does this trend hint at the possibility that human beings are on the AI trajectory of becoming obsolete at some approximate date in the 2040s? or that human unemployment rates should approach something like 90% to 99% in the coming decades?
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Jew hate is open & brazen in the Democrat party.
Cenk Uygur@cenkuygur
Israel won in Kentucky. They will 100% control the Republican Party now. They will not serve America, they will only serve Israel.
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@HistoryBoomer @YPersisted Hamilton is not merely a biopic, it's explicitly based on the specific biography by Ron Chernow.
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@YPersisted I didn't say we haven't had color-blind casting, but Hamilton is not a biopic as portrayed in that fake photo.
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Yes, I get it, there has been something of a double standard with casting.
But people keep showing Gosling as President Obama.
That is a very pointed jab, but I know of no films with black actors as white presidents. For the jab to work, shouldn't there be a black Reagan?
In other words, while there may be issues, the genre of films that this image is spoofing (major biopics of modern figures) have not been cast color-blind. This is why we haven't seen Denzel play Nixon (and he would be awesome).
Carl@HistoryBoomer
People keep sharing this because they're angry that supposedly black actors can take white roles, but not the reverse. But has the reverse happened? Has Don Cheedle played Ronald Reagan? Has Denzel Washington played Richard Nixon? (Btw, Denzel as Nixon would totally slap.)
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@Mariusj001 @AnalyticaCamil1 I mean if you, a person on the ground, can physically see an F-35, in principle a missile with a webcam on the end can too.
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@AnalyticaCamil1 But how did they even clip an F35 man. How!
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Not sure why folk are surprised about this — Iranian SAM teams clipped an F-35 with one of those shitty optically guided SAMs that they have in spades.
When USAF ‘tried’ to soften up the ‘division sized’ echelonment just outside of Isfahan (a few kilometers away from that one nuclear facility folk are talking about raiding), every Reaper they sent up got shot down ‘and’ we lost an F-15.
unusual_whales@unusual_whales
The Pentagon reportedly did not want resumption of strikes as Iran grew more effective tracking US air ops, per NYT
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@shawngorham I intend to have very little inheritance left to give my kids, because I'll have already given it to them. They are worth infinitely more than money.
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I forget who said it but a post said "buying my 30 year old daughter with 3 kids a mini van has a bigger impact in her life than $300,000 when I am dead" (something like that)
I have never stopped thinking about it and will use that as a compass as my kids get married, have kids, buy houses etc.
DOQ@doqholliday
If you're a boomer in your 60s and 70s and you own property and are well off but your children are struggling and can't even buy a home, what the hell are you doin? Your time is over. It's their time. Help them. Be a good parent, do whatever it is you need to do... sell the house if you need to, give them some kickbacks to help buy their first home, etc. Life is short. Be a good parent and don't squat on stuff that doesn't matter. Give them their time.
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@William_Blake Seriously, does anyone who dislikes this translation have a problem with this it that suggests they actually read it beyond the 5th word. I'm sympathetic, I really am, but at some point I'd like to hear a complaint beyond polytropos.
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Emily Wilson made many injudicious choices in her translation of the Odyssey. She's slapped a greasy handlebar moustache on the Mona Lisa. People are pissed because it's vandalism. And as a classicist, she should know better.
Complicated comes down to us from Latin. Com + plicare, meaning to fold together. Something folded together into many creases and bends is difficult to deal with, tough to open, flatten out, and make plain, a thing so knotted and labyrinthine it fights you when you try to flatten it out.
There are Latin translations of the Odyssey.
The oldest we have is from Livius Andronicus, the grandaddy of Latin literature, who composed his translation in 240 BC, the Odusia.
Andronicus opens:
virum mihi, Camena, insece versutum
(Tell me, Camena, of the clever/turned man...)
No complicare. No folding. No origami monsters of masculinity resisting change. Then there are the humanists of the Renaissance who would translate ancient Greek works into Latin to make them more accessible to a European audience.
Raphaello Maffei, Andreas Divus and others. They use multiscius (the one who knows many things) and multivagum (much-wandering) or multimodum (of many ways).
None use complicare or any derivatives of plicare or any cognates. Not one.
But Wilson? She went full moustache. She says "it's complicated" like someone describing a bad relationship full of bad decisions and confusing text messages.
Christopher Nolan has said he's inspired by Wilson and the rest of us have to live with it, staring at this defaced masterpiece.
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@HomerPavlos I'm sympathetic here, but at some point I have to ask why nobody seems to have a complaint about the translation that's not this literal one word.
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Emily Wilson is a very bad person, both as a character and as a classicist and author. I would expect every male classicist not to defend her, because she has publicly stated that she considers prior academics and translators of the Odyssey to be "misogynists". Anyway.
The "Homeric dictionary" (Λεξικὸν κατὰ στοιχεῖον τῆς τε Ἰλιάδος καὶ Ὀδυσσείας) is the oldest surviving Dictionary of the Greek Language, a Dictionary of more than 2,000 years old. The author is Apollonius the Sophist who lived in the 1st century AD in Alexandria, Egypt.
Apollonius used the work of his predecessor, the grammarian Aristarchus of Samothrace, and also of his contemporary Apion.
It is a unique and valuable special Interpretative and Etymological Dictionary of the Homeric Epics, which includes over 3,000 words and phrases. Apollonius gives us unique interpretations and etymologies of many Homeric words, as well as different versions of several Homeric verses. No one can say that he knows a translation of Homer if he does not consult this dictionary.
There you can find the word "πολύμητις".
> The definition is clear:
πολύβουλος, πολλὰ βουλεύσασθαι δυνάμενος.
which means:
of many counsels, capable of deliberating many matters.
As someone who possesses great deliberative skill and can think through or devise many plans. It is one of the most common epithets applied to Odysseus.
> The LSJ lexicon:
"of many counsels"
> Richard John Cunliffe's Lexicon of the Homeric Dialect:
"Of many counsels or devices."
> Autenrieth's Homeric Dictionary:
of many devices, crafty, shrewd
The etymololgy of the word is:
πολυ- (poly-) = "much/many
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μητις (from μῆτις metis) = counsel, plan, cunning intelligence, shrewdness, resourcefulness
So to change the whole definition of a word to translate the text as "Lying Odysseus" has a bad faith. And she is doing it many times. And to be honest she is not the only one, many trasnlators are doing the same thing. They are trying to make Odysseus liar with the bad meaning of the word which is wrong because is not what the Homer wants for the reader. This is happening when you don't know Greek. She wants to represent him bad in many cases during the poem, she is literally evil and a bad person. As she said she wants to reject the "patriarchal air" and give more attention to the women of the Epic poem. That's why she avoids to call the women sometimes servants or slaves although Homer is clear.
They want to convince people that "Odysseus is technically lying." No, that’s wrong.
Neither Homer nor the epic itself tries to convey anything like that to the reader. There is a big difference between being a liar and a cheat, and being cunning, resourceful, many-skilled, versatile, and inventive, someone who always finds solutions to overcome difficulties.
If we’ve reached 2026 and still have to explain the obvious, then you understand how much the general intellectual level has fallen compared to earlier times. I am genuinely impressed by how stupid people are becoming.
So yeah, Emily Wilson is bad. In every way.
But anyway, what do I know.
Johannes A. Niederhauser@JohannesAchill
Probably the most outrageous mistranslation by Emily Wilson is found in Book XXIV, line 303. Wilson translates: "Lying Odysseus replied, 'I will tell you the truth completely.'" Wilson misrepresents the meaning of πολύμητις. Murray for example translates this as "of many wiles", which is also a bit misleading. But to translate πολύμητις as lying is outright evil. πολύμητις is reminiscent of πολύτροπον in Book I, line 1. πολύμητις means to be thoughtful, circumspect, in many ways and in this way cunning.
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@BreeSolstad Tone policing is aggravating, but I'm going to do it anyway. That last sentence turns it from an interesting and fairly convincing argument into a bog standard Twitter poop throw. It is going to the alienate sympathetic but as yet unconvinced.
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Here’s the facts on Mary’s perpetual virginity:
There is no surviving first-century Christian document on either side.
But what we do have is early Christian interpretation, silence where denial would be expected, and very early 2nd century traditions that strongly imply the belief was already widespread. And by the 2nd–4th centuries, perpetual virginity becomes universal Christian belief.
Further proofs:
An extraordinary absence of early controversy. The early Church fought about everything from circumcision to Christology to Easter dates to Gnosticism to rebaptism, etc. If Mary had obvious biological children widely known in the apostolic community, the perpetual virginity would have been impossible to establish universally so early.
John 19:26–27
At the Cross, Jesus entrusts Mary to the Beloved Disciple.
If Mary had multiple biological sons, this action would have been broken Jewish law.
The rise of asceticism. Early Christianity strongly valued consecrated virginity and celibacy. Mary was viewed as the archetype of total consecration to God.
What we can say historically is the doctrine is very ancient, it is clearly established by the mid-2nd century, and it likely reflects traditions older than the texts that mention it.
Explicit denial appears very late.
The belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity was universal across ancient Christianity and much of early Protestantism.
So from a historical standpoint, perpetual virginity is not a medieval invention. It is one of the oldest Marian beliefs in Christianity.
Deal with it, heretic.
Lizzie Marbach@LizzieMarbach
@AleppoAteMyFace Show proof of anyone in the first century believing this.
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@SteveSkojec I don't know about the crew as a whole, but the Pope is a sharp guy and has a math degree. I'm cautiously looking forward to it.
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This is exactly the kind of serious issue the Church should be addressing in this manner.
Sadly, one can't expect a good job to be done. Not by this crew.
Diane Montagna@dianemontagna
JUST IN: Vatican announces that Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical — titled Magnifica Humanitas, on the safeguarding of the human person in the age of AI — will be presented at 11:30am on Monday, May 25, in the Vaticanʼs Synod Hall, in the presence of the Holy Father. Speakers at the presentation will include: Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith; Cardinal Michael Czerny, Prefect of the Dicastery for the Service of Integral Human Development; Professor Anna Rowlands, Political Theology, including Catholic Social Teaching, and theological ethics of human migration, Department of Theology and Religion, Durham University, United Kingdom; Christopher Olah, co-founder of Anthropic (USA) and head of interpretability research for artificial intelligence; Dr. Leocadie Lushombo, Political Theology and Catholic Social Thought, Jesuit School of Theology / Santa Clara University, California. Concluding remarks will be delivered by thel Secretary of State, Cardinal Pietro Parolin. The presentation will also include an address by Pope Leo XIV. Magnifica Humanitas was signed and dated on May 15, the 135th anniversary of the promulgation of Pope Leo XIII’s Encyclical Letter Rerum Novarum.
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