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@haru6k @LemonadeUpgrade Frankly while that’s true it’s entirely dependent on bungie’s map release cadence and how accessible those are compared to perimeter or dire. Don’t forget outpost has an entry requirement. They can’t keep gating off content. And no one wants to play those 3 for hundreds of hours

@Sharadleh @LemonadeUpgrade that’s what the first 3 maps are for imho

Issues with Cryo Archive, that if not adjusted, will hurt retention in Marathon : These look to improve the crew fill experience with randoms, which is a good chunk of the player base. SOME of these should be considered to improve Cryo. - Cryo vault keys are annoying to farm. Increase drop rate/POIs you can obtain them from - remove cryo packs OR batteries as a requirement. One is good enough. - security clearance should just go up from killing adds, remove the tags/terminals - remove credentials /samples requirements to access certain vaults - mark exfils clearly as on other maps Yes yes I know, this sounds like " skill issue " but it's not. None of the above is actually difficult or skill related , it just adds too much friction to have successful crew fill runs. I mean to this day people on Outpost STILL don't know how to access pinwheel or command wing and that's just color coded tags and 2 panels in 2 wings 😅 The complexity of Cryo and people saying "well it's not for everyone" is just a poor excuse. The map is cool, the compiler is dope, more people should experience that but won't because it's too convoluted for randoms to coordinate this or grind to access it weekly. And that's not factoring in the gear ante (which frankly you should bring in more than 5k to have a good run...) In the end Cryo was designed for pre-made trios. It's not designed for randoms and not designed for solos. You're excluding a significant portion of your base and that's not going to help in anyway to retain people.

@Arrrrash I agree with the tldr. They’re not gonna be able to do anything drastic to get drastic increases in players. They need to cater to what’s currently here so they are more invested for the recurrent spending. I’d love to buy a skin if there was any I’d like. Let’s start there.

I love Marathon, but I don't think the answer to this is one people really want to hear. Everytime a game drops and underperforms all the players who love it always speculate what x company can do to raise the playerbase. It's never as simple as just doing one thing. I don't think a free weekend would hurt, but it's also worth noting Marathon had a pseudo free weekend when they dropped the server slam right before the game came out. Lot's of those players didn't end up buying the game, and I struggle to see how that would be different this time around. Sure the game has a couple more maps, but most new players aren't going to get to Outpost or definetly Cyro before they end up quitting anyways. TLDR: I think Marathons player base is what it is. Bungie's best bet is likely focusing on retention and maybe slowly over time that can grow as new players trickle in, as long as the existing ones stick around. But does Bungie have the runway to do that funding wise? Idk

@PlayStation @Sony all I’m saying is if you can’t give bungie the chance to build a new live service because of a slow start then you don’t deserve to make anymore live services nor have people show up for them

@CoolRunnersClub @CutterNich3133 There’s a shit ton of negativity surrounding the game that’s unwarranted but there’s a decent amount of people worried about the future of it cus they love it (me). While the numbers are irrelevant to us the mass I think people are just seeking…confidence in its future I guess.

@Sharadleh @CutterNich3133 theres too much fearmongering and negativity on here, especially about Marathon. and its extra dumb when people use imaginary numbers to spread bullshit.

zero evidence, and its a dumb debate to begin with because thats now how corporate finance works. Sony bought Bungie for 3.6B in 2022. that includes real assets (offices, employees) and goodwill (value of IP, future sales forecast). Marathon had been in dev for years by then.

@CoolRunnersClub @CutterNich3133 The latter if you call it that. I assume you have the former with how confident you’re speaking. But I don’t consider myself a doom poster more a realist. Sony a corporate shark like any other and has already slashed bungie. I’m worried about their future but curious abt the $

@Sharadleh @CutterNich3133 Yes the issue is people making up numbers. do you have any actual insight into gaming financials, or just here to doom post about Bungie lmfao

@dillonatm Then enjoy it while it last before it’s shut down because the pvp players aren’t gonna be enough to keep this multi hundred million $ company afloat. It would take some gooner level whales to do that and thief not that cute. I’m loving it while it last.

Hot take— I hope the game is never successful enough for a PVE only mode 🙏🏾 I miss when games were niche

@CoolRunnersClub @CutterNich3133 So this is just some bachelor degree in business semantics/corporate jargon. So the issue is people just throwing a number out there? And some kind of speculation that everything is okay cus Sony bought them for 3bn and the fact marathon barely selling 2 mill is okay.

@Sharadleh @CutterNich3133 my point is not a single person has any real data on past development costs. further, corporate finance budgets are looking at current operating costs and future sales forecasts. the past expenses do not matter any more.

@solgob_ Frankly it would take a complete overhaul of the game to do that considering if people didn’t like what they saw or played during the slam there’s not much else they can do. A PvE mode might be nice for business but does nothing for the core playerbase, who’s actually playing.

What would be the best way to get new players to try Marathon on the first wipe? Free weekend? PVE only mode? Drop a bundle of Destiny guns in the game? 😂

@CoolRunnersClub @CutterNich3133 I’m failing to see what point you’re trying to make after reading your replies. Are you denying that the game didn’t cost hundreds of millions to make over the 5 years? What even is this “debate”. And where is your evidence to counter anything people has said?

@CutterNich3133 you can’t just make up round numbers and average salaries and imaginary overhead costs. plus if your range is that big, then its worthless anyway.

@RaiderRadioX @isolatedrook This is a difference in opinion but you the type of player the game caters to anyways. The new arc might be new but you’re killing them on the same maps with the same guns. Got boring quickly. A new room to find the same loot as always is again. Boring. Great game. But Im bored

@Sharadleh @isolatedrook I just mean if you claim to like the game then why would you miss parts of it. Not a single piece of new content? I've spent hours killing Fireflys and Comets and also I have done the new room on Dam 3 or 4 times. Not a single piece is kind of a stretch

I haven't played Arc Raiders since some time in January but talking about it so much yesterday got me thinking about it again. Is the Shrouded Sky update any good or should I just wait for the next big update? I'm not sure what all I've missed since I last played.

@LemonadeUpgrade God knows they need to do something. I completely respect and enjoy how hardcore they decided to make this game but we can see in the numbers that it’s not a broadly successful strategy. Idk what they can do and how quickly as they’ve been pretty quick with changes. But enough?

@Sharadleh Ya my hope is people start discussing and bungie sees some of this. Whatever adjustments we can make will be needed. They don't have to be these but something

@chris_234__uhhh “Would Sony be stupid—-“. Yes. Yes they would be stupid if a single one of you have been following their moves this generation. And it’s why I’m worried about my time and money investment in marathon cus I don’t trust it’ll be given more than a year while it burns $ it didn’t get

Is Marathon the hit Sony wanted it to be? Probably not. Would Sony be stupid to shut down servers when it has a stable playerbase that could bring in passive income for years to come if they let it thrive? Yes.

@RaiderRadioX @isolatedrook “If you are truly a fan”. Weird statement imo. Love the game. 500 hours of it will attest to that. But hurricanes on the map isn’t really content. There’s not a single piece of new content. Maps? Guns? Mode? New boss? Like literally nothing lol. A “true fan” don’t need to settle

@isolatedrook If you truly are a fan of ARC Raiders then you should come back for every large content drop and play for a while to soak in that experience. Go run Hurricane maps now before the 31st

@haru6k @LemonadeUpgrade The issue with that statement is it’s ignoring the fact that this game will not have a long life if they don’t make it more accessible to these non premade teams. There’s already so much friction. Not everyone has 2 friends on nor wanna seek out randoms with LFG. But idk how tho

@LemonadeUpgrade imo cryo should be balanced around premade trios and not squad fill. watering down pinnacle content is what slowly killed destiny, i would hate to see marathon have a similar fate i do agree about key drops tho

@TheGameBakers One of the best games I’ve ever played and was just talking to my friend this morning about how I can’t get my experience playing out my mind. Especially the ending. What a solid experience with a very personal story that gripped me. I hope to god we get more like it.

There's nothing like some fresh mountain air in the spring. Half a million people are climbing the formidable walls of Mt Kami! We’ve been floored by your love for Cairn <3

@CoolRunnersClub I actually prefer console for various reasons but I’ve stated in a previous post that I think it’s doing horrible on console because of the nature of the game. It’s just way too hardcore for your average player. Not to mention a lot of D2 players weren’t gonna convert

so the estimates from Gamalytics were accurate all along, 800-850k. definitely not “napkin math” lol. the big surprise is only 19% of players on PlayStation - if accurate - is a harsh realization for Sony. gamers prefer PC more and more. especially for a multiplayer/shooter.

@JaeGamez For free.99 it’s seriously worth the time. I played day 1 so I know first hand how much work they’ve put into it. It’s no FromSoft quality but it’s a fun romp. Can literally find worse in the genre that’s for sure.

RUMOUR has it Lords of the Fallen (2023) is coming to PlayStation Plus next month! PS Plus subscribers, Play or Pass?? 🤔 I’ve heard a lot of great things about this gems especially since it had reviewed updates to improve it!

@NufinButGrief This is one of those games that I’ve added into my shopping cart every time I saw it on sale and then I go look up people’s opinions and say “well maybe not this time”. It’s such a mixed bag of opinions but its combat system looks so interesting to me that I’m tempted.

For future reference… How we feel about this one ?

@rnelson0 @lofi_lover0930 @Slappy422 I struggle with mech warrior I won’t lie but idk what it is. I need to give it some time to get into. For that universe I started with Battletech and just much preferred the turn based nature of it. I got my ass beat in the first few missions in mech5. Playing it wrong lol.

@Sharadleh @lofi_lover0930 @Slappy422 I liked the 2018 Battletech game for PC, definitely wish I could play it on my playstation. Mechwarrior 5 is pretty good though, I'm so close to getting to the clan era and just need some time to advance toward it!

Until today I am so fucking baffled how Call of Duty and Battlefield are more popular than Titanfall Titanfall is BETTER than both and does way more than both so I'm genuinely confused how it flopped