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Berlin, Deutschland Katılım Ekim 2017
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All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
AI is killing All About Berlin. When you Google something, you used to get a link to my website, but now you get an AI-generated answer trained on my work. This has a devastating impact on traffic.
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Marce@joyfulmarce·
@aboutberlin Did your revenues follow the same curve?
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Jacky Chou (buying online businesses up to $1m)
@aboutberlin Been a while! Looks like you got hit with the perfect storm, an algo penalty + ai overviews The days of well monetized sites like yours are numbered unfortunately It's a shame because your site was one of the best in the country and helped me lots
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All About Berlin
All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@Lewis_R_W In this case, they expect the knowledgeable staffers to keep feeding the industry that is replacing them, for free. I wouldn't mind a better technology rendering my work useless, but in this case, it's still necessary. It's just artificially devalued by a monopoly.
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Lewis@Lewis_R_W·
@aboutberlin When I went to college in the 1980's, there were several music stores near the campus. I could walk in, talk to a knowledgeable staffer, and leave with an album I liked. After Napster came out > 90% of these stores died. They never returned.
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All About Berlin
All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@LVRenoan It's mandatory in Berlin. It's a bit like the TV tax: it's deemed important, so everyone needs to chip in whether they need it or not. In practice, the outcome is the same: they lose the need to produce something their captive user base actually wants.
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LVRenoan@LVRenoan·
@aboutberlin Membership to the local chamber of commerce is mandatory? What's the philosophy behind that? I had my business join for a few years but eventually let it lapse, questioning the value. I take it you don't get that option?
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All About Berlin
All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
The Berlin chamber of commerce (IHK) has started a massive, cryptic advertising campaign: "WTF is IHK?" I've been paying the mandatory membership fee for 8 years and I ask myself the same question.
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All About Berlin
All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@AndyCMDE These workflow improvements do not increase my income. I will keep the website useful, neutral and free. I don't want to compromise on quality or abandon principles to keep the lights on. I will find other ways to pay rent. Something is in the works.
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Andy Hauser
Andy Hauser@AndyCMDE·
@aboutberlin Thanks for sharing stories of AI impact on you. Your site is a middleware between the user and the data. As user visits drop due to search engines turning into answer machines, will your own AI automizations make up for it (probably needs scale over multiple sites) or wwyd?
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All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
AI on All About Berlin? Yes, but not like that. I am releasing a tool that updates the website when certain facts change. If the minimum wage goes up, it updates it everywhere on the website. (1/2)
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All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@HSB_Forum Ich verdiene meinen Lebensunterhalt mit dieser Website, also ja. Sie wurde vom Finanzamt rückwirkend als Gewerbe eingestuft.
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Dima Filipenko
Dima Filipenko@dmfilipenko·
@aboutberlin @HLSIII Why can't you create these pages? If chat gpt forwarding people in this direction why swim against current?
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All About Berlin
All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@pranesh @librarythingtim Again with the technical-legalistic approach. It's cool that they are working on an opt-out mechanism two years after the plundering took place, but it's too late for any objection to be meaningful.
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Pranesh Prakash
Pranesh Prakash@pranesh·
@librarythingtim @aboutberlin Google (which is the OP's tweet was about), for what it's worth, does obey robots.txt. It also (now at least) has a separate user-agent string for the AI crawler: Google-Extended. There's also work going on at the IETF for indicating AI prefs. #googlebot" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">developers.google.com/crawling/docs/…
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Tim Spalding 🇺🇦
Tim Spalding 🇺🇦@librarythingtim·
The problem here is that current copyright law is very specific--it protects expression only. It doesn't protect facts, ideas or opinions. It doesn't protect hard work. So long as AI isn't parroting AAB's exact words, it's probably in the clear. I don't know AAB, but the author surely "stole" such things too--they read articles, books and museum signs, learned stuff and put it in their writings. AI is doing nothing different here. But in another sense AI is doing everything different. It's the scale, the ruthlessness. It breaks the moral intuitions of copyright without breaking copyright.
All About Berlin@aboutberlin

AI is killing All About Berlin. When you Google something, you used to get a link to my website, but now you get an AI-generated answer trained on my work. This has a devastating impact on traffic.

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All About Berlin
All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@pranesh @librarythingtim And I'm just a regular guy getting wrecked by a megacorp. I am not asking about my chances against Google in court, but more practical questions like "how will I buy groceries in a year?" In other words, read the room?
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Pranesh Prakash
Pranesh Prakash@pranesh·
@aboutberlin @librarythingtim I've worked on copyright issues for 20+ years, so it's neither a case of being deliberately obtuse nor one of me being a Twitter troll. Having your site available to crawlers is also voluntary: robots.txt can be used to prevent Google from indexing your site.
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All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@pranesh @librarythingtim These conversations are voluntary and their scope is clear. The journalists sell their research and writing. Isn't the difference obvious to you? Are you being deliberately obtuse or is Twitter always like that?
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Pranesh Prakash@pranesh·
@librarythingtim @aboutberlin And even with journalism: journalists call me all the time. They have extended conversations (sometimes upwards of an hour!) in which I often have to explain the basics of a topic. They write it up. They get paid for writing the article, but I don't. Do I have a moral claim?
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All About Berlin
All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@pwnxt Some yes, many no. A lot of that information comes from a LOT of private conversations, interviews with experts and reader feedback. A prime example: allaboutberlin.com/guides/immigra… - The immigration office themselves started using my data.
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z@pwnxt·
@aboutberlin I like your website, but honest question: Would AI be able to find the answers without you? Most of the content seems not that hard to find otherwise, like the list of public holidays?
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All About Berlin
All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@colindotfun @sometimesfrunny Colin, I have never charged a cent for my content. I have open-sourced the entire tech stack this year. You have never visited my website, have you?
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All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@aiob_me All About Berlin runs on its own domain, server and tech stack. I own the land, but name one road that isn't owned by big tech.
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aiob@aiob_me·
@aboutberlin Owned media > earned media > paid media hope you learnt a lesseon here
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Waxo@waxoman·
@aboutberlin many such cases, what is the end goal for google here? where are they gonna get new information if it's all gobbled up by the ai?
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All About Berlin
All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@manavmade Thanks man, hearing stuff like that kept me going for the last 9 years.
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manav 💫@manavmade·
@aboutberlin hey man i just moved to berlin and thank u so much for everything u do its helped me so much to figure out germany as a whole! that being said this sucks to see. the changes being made are definitely scary and i can only hope resources like these aren't lost to ai summaries
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Marty@Marty0112379·
@aboutberlin Paterson and substack ! You deserve it
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All About Berlin
All About Berlin@aboutberlin·
@Marty0112379 Then I'd be a platform worker for YouTube. The main reason I chose text is that I update guides all the time. I'm constantly gathering feedback, asking experts, monitoring communities and refining my advice.
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Marty@Marty0112379·
@aboutberlin You need to go all in on video and start becoming a video blogger with all the vs Berlin where AI can't hurt you too much yet. Sorry man, you do great work. But this tech is coming for all of us.
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