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@JaguarsRCool @edlars53 @YouSpooneeBard @antiantimormon This is Mormon apologetic brainrot. Y’all need to knock this bullshit off. It’s boring and fucking ridiculous.

@danjamin18 @edlars53 @YouSpooneeBard @antiantimormon Among these modern egyptologists are some that are not very modern, dead for 40 years or more. The rest hysterically claim the Book of Abraham can't be true because of their translation of it. But they never had the papyrus containing the book of Abraham to translate from...

Have you ever paid attention to the symbols and hand gestures of the three figures in this section of Facsimile 2? Why would ancient Egyptians use all these Masonic ritual signs? They must have had a time machine.

@pimomormon In his version(s) I’m sure he was a brave boy. He didn’t run away, he destroyed you with the truth and then dusted his feet on his way out the door. Not a little bitch at all.

Respond and then block. What a 🤡

@JaguarsRCool @edlars53 @YouSpooneeBard @antiantimormon Dr Robert Ritner, Dr Klaus Baer, Dr Richard Parker, Dr John A Wilson, & Dr Kara Cooney.

@edlars53 @YouSpooneeBard @antiantimormon Did you come up with something to back up your claim yet? Or are you just going to accuse me of lying? What modern egyptologists are you referring to?

@RandomRation @pimomormon Exactly. A good parent says either worship me or burn forever in a lake of fire and brimstone.

@pimomormon God COULD do everything Himself… but that isn’t what a good parent does. A good father teaches children responsibilities. He sets up rules for us to follow and asks us to participate. God is a God of law and order.

Mormons, let me get this straight 1) You believe your god is all powerful. 2) you believe that god requires people to be baptized for the dead for people who were not baptized. 3) until that work is done, dead people remain in spirit prison. Sounds to me like your god is weak

@LDSLaw You’re such a martyr. How brave.

This guy is an absolute loon. He must be on three psychiatric medication prescriptions.

@KevinNe77857066 @stackerco So you would deconstruct from Mormonism? I’m guessing at that point you wouldn’t be prioritize the new church’s truth claims, but rather if it has a community and religious framework you’d find acceptable.

@danjamin18 @stackerco I would keep going to a Church. Probably Catholic or Orthodox.

It’s a weird thing to step into a room of people full of all the same certainty. Where everyone says the same thing, believes the same thing, and “knows” it’s true despite most really not studying anything else. And nobody having curiosity about if they’re wrong or if there’s another way. It’s all true and they know it, or at least pretend to know it. Church is a weird space.

@KevinNe77857066 @stackerco Hypothetical: The Tanners learn about a document concealed in church vaults. It’s in JS’s handwriting, authenticated by experts. In it he reveals that he lied about everything. He explicitly states the BoM and church is a fraud. There is no doubt. Would it matter to you?

Is deconstruction the “wise” thing to do when it leads to such negative long term social/familial/mental health outcomes? I have had no issues learning about all these things. But I did so in a very balanced way and I tried to never overload myself with the negative point of view.

@KevinNe77857066 @stackerco You are practically the archetype of stacker’s point here. You demonstrate no true curiosity or understanding of those outside your tribe, and label contrary viewpoints as “doubting deconstructionist crap”. Most “wise old elders” have ZERO clue about the topics he discusses.

Why do you keep on insulting everyone’s intelligence by saying they don’t know anything??? Most established adult members of the church know the same stuff as you but yet they choose to keep their faith in the church and not complain and get offended about everything like you.😉 You should stop being so smart and learn something from your wise old elders who know way more than us arrogant 45 year olds.🤷‍♂️

@jonathanplumb You say it like he’s a different god than other Christians. Is that what you believe?

Everyone will eventually worship the God of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Everyone, without question.

@the_jake_bastow @RigdonNancy3 Your eisegesis is showing.

Thanks for the comment Nancy. Yes, President Smith did say this, but the way you might be trying to use it is missing some important context. When Joseph F. Smith said he looked forward to the day when the Church wouldn’t need to ask for additional donations, he wasn’t teaching that tithing itself would one day be done away. He was expressing a hope that, through the faithfulness of members, tithing alone would be sufficient - eliminating the need for extra financial appeals beyond it. At that time (early 1900s), the Church occasionally relied on special fundraising efforts in addition to tithing. His statement points toward a future where those additional requests wouldn’t be necessary - not a future where the principle of tithing disappears altogether. It’s also worth noting that in Latter-day Saint belief, tithing has never been framed as just a budgetary tool - it’s a standing commandment tied to faith, obedience, and personal discipleship, regardless of the Church’s financial position. So a more complete reading of the quote isn’t “the Church should stop tithing once it has enough money,” but rather: “the Church should become so established through faithful tithing that it no longer needs to ask for anything beyond it.” Context doesn’t weaken the quote - it actually clarifies what Joseph F. Smith was really hoping for.

How much in overall assets would the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints need before you personally stopped paying tithing?

@lil_boggy Mormons almost never know one iota about other Bible versions. This is how it usually presents.

If I had to read the NIV I'd hate God too

@sola_chad Lol bro thought he would cook atheists with this, but instead got weirdo Team Jesus Flerfers in the replies. 😂😂🤣🤣

The Orion spacecraft of the Artemis II Mission recorded this video. How can anyone see this and still think God doesn’t exist?

@RigdonNancy3 Everyone needs to leave and join Community of Christ. It is the way.

The Smiths were in the hands of the Lord and ended up in the Reorganization Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, now Community of Christ. 🤔

@Arqosh I’m imagining myself being done with this conversation because you’re boring as hell.

@danjamin18 Imagination has words, describe this imagination

So the moon is bigger from my house and by the way, I see the moon 24 hrs a day, but from the astronauts' view is tiny, please explain.

@Schwettynerd @stackerco @JS_StrngstSldr In this case, Egyptology. You are well aware that it’s a very niche, specific skill set/knowledge base. The PhDs in the field unanimously disagree with this interpretation. Does that count for anything? Or is his motivated, “enigmatic” fringe ideology just as valid?

@stackerco @JS_StrngstSldr I am curious, what would you suggest is/are prerequisite in order to speak on these things Jayson appears to find interesting? Education, professional experience, age...?? What do you suggest makes one qualified?

The Hor Book of Breathings is just one big, long, Enigmatic Encoding of the Book of Abraham. The illustrious Michael Rhodes' research was indispensable for providing the actual signs in a legible way, as well as Hugh Nibley. I am standing on the shoulders of giants. Part of the scroll is torn so it does not start at the beginning of the Book of Abraham, but part way through the verse. 1. W24 - Sound values: mw, jmn, jn, m, mn, n, (r), ẖn We have multiple sound value options and we can use the Wortzeichen/Consonantal principle, take m as the value. "m" meaning in. 2. O1 house - b, p, pr, h; word value - pr -house This is the sign that inferred that we might be dealing with the first verse of the first chapter of the Book of Abraham. In Ancient Egyptian, pr is simply house or residence. We use then the Wortzeichen principle of that ideogram's meaning, house. 3. Water - jm, jmn, m, n The principle of antonomasia (Thiers 2023): divine signs deliver the characteristic epithets of the deity depicted. Water is one of the divine signs for Amun. A common Ptolemaic epithet for Amun was father of fathers' (jt jt.w). This sign, like many others in Ptolemaic Writing, function on the principle of polysemy, or multiple meanings. The name for the Nile was iteru, this phonetically similar to jt (iot) for father. There is an orthographic/phonetic play here. 4. Water - jm, jmn, m, n In(k) could come from jm "To quote Serge Rosmorduc: "During the whole history of the Egyptian language, many consonants, originally distinct, are more or less merged. We all know that the ṯ/t distinction was more or less lost as early as Middle Egyptian. Late Egyptian helps a lot here, because many of the “confusions” in Ptolemaic already occur in this stage of the language...Note that the word confusion is a bit misleading. The confusions of signs with similar shapes is probably not a mistake of the hierogrammates. The word plays and etymologies we find in the glosses of religious texts show that they understood similarities as meaningful. Hence, those “confusions” were probably often a deliberate choice."" So jm could be jn(k) with the k clipped. It also could just be an m for the anagramt of Abraham. 5. Q3 - Sound values: ', b, p, sꜣ(w) This is a polyvalence here, because if we are spelling Abraham's name next the s3 indicated this is the son of the father (jt), but b also works here. The b and p are similar, both are voiced bilabial plosives. This is the similar principle with r and l, m and n, d and t. We can go with b. 6. Z4 two slashes, sound value: ꜣ, ꜣꜣt, ꜣj, ꜣjt, ꜣw, ꜣt, j, jꜣ, ', 'j, w, wt, r, t, vowels; word values: two, second. The name of this sign has an r sound, using the consonantal principle to accept r here. 7. N37 - pool, sound value: jn, m, mr, n, nt, ḫ, ḫr, ẖ, s, š, šmw, šnw; word values jꜣt mounds, jw stand, mw water, mr canal/artifical lake, nḫn Hierakonpolis or infant, or baby, or shrine. Taking m here would follow the Rebus principle, the pool is filled with water if this was a full color hieroglyph. 8. N23 - tꜣ, iꜣš If we are working on the anagrammatic principle this is taking the consonant j. for brmj or jbrm. tꜣ means land, so this is punning with Abraham looking for a new place of residence 9. Z1 - Sound values: w' , j; word value: one Could be j, making the anagram jbrjm. Signs 4–6 deliver m, b, r from attested values. Sign 7 N37 delivers X (ḫ) through its attested range — under the documented Ptolemaic phonological interchange X/h (Thiers 2023), this approaches the h of Ibrahm. Sign 9 Z1 delivers j. The name jbrjm/Ibrahm is substantially encoded across signs 4–9 with the X/h interchange being the one step requiring the phonological approximation principle. 10. Water - jm, jmn, m, n M would be the consonantal principle 11. Water - jm, jmn, m, n J would be using the first dominant sound of the theophoric element here. 12. Water - jm, jmn, m, n N would also be an alternat sound value using the consonantal principles. 13. Z9 - sound values: w, wp, wr, m'bꜣ, ḥsb, ḫbs, ḫt, sš, swꜣ, sḏ, šbn, šd Using homphony, ḥsb is the name of this sign, that matches with the idea of to calculate or reckon. 14. Walking legs - SV: b; word values: 'n - go back; prj - come forth prj means to emerge, to escape, come forth, to motion, procession, a Wortzeichen principle being used. 15. Placenta Aa1: SV - ḫ, ḫr, ẖ, š ḫr - Wortzeichen 16. Water - jm, jmn, m, n, jn using n, this is ḫr n meaning upon / for. 17. (Sedge) M23 - nn, nhb, ns, s, sw, k; word values: nswt, rsj, sm'w Usage of "k" here. The ending vowel can be clipped in Ptolemaic Writing. k(y) meaning another. the Sedge (sw) often takes the value k in Ptolemaic writing through its association with the second-person suffix or the word for "King" (nswt), which then acrophonically gives you the k for ky (another). 18. V01 - 3, j, jj, w, w3t, b, f, m, š, šnt, k, šnt, usually dropping the t, via Ptolemaic style, the sound would be something like šnw (shinu) 19. G07 - NMTJ, dwn 'nwy, hr This sign may go with the next verse. The final interpretation is: "m pr jt [ink] ỉbrḥjm m33.n.ỉ ḥsb prj ḫr n ky šnw" "...in father's house, I, Abraham, saw and reckoned it needful to escape to another circuit/enclosure/pasture..." This word šnw can mean enclosure or circuit, punning on the fact of the later discourse on Kolob and ecliptics. Abraham needed a new orbit around something better, greener pastures. Nibley said this of translation or transmission: "For, what is a translation? The most carefully thought-out definition is that of Ulrich von Wilamowitz-Moellendorff: “A translation is a statement in the translator’s own words of what he thinks the author had in mind.” A little reflection will show that this is the best, if not the only possible, definition. Gardiner defines a sentence as “any set of words in which he [the hearer] can discern a reasonable intention on the part of the speaker.” A translation must therefore be not a matching of dictionaries but a meeting of minds, for as the philologist William Entwistle puts it, “there are no ‘mere words’ . . . the word is a deed” ; it is a whole drama with centuries of tradition encrusting it, and that whole drama must be passed in review every time the word comes up for translation." This is why a Ptolemaic Enigmatic Interpretation would be fitting for a Ptolemaic era Priestly text. My hypothesis is that this text was meant to be read or heard. The Ptolemaic Writing element allows a repeated text to take on new meaning when some words sound exactly like others. The phonetic puns would start to make sense.

@Arqosh @mathemagicalme @chumpyjones @AntonioSabatoJr Imaginary

@danjamin18 @mathemagicalme @chumpyjones @AntonioSabatoJr Tell me about my experience then

@Arqosh @mathemagicalme @chumpyjones @AntonioSabatoJr It’s exactly the same amount as your experience with YHWH

@danjamin18 @mathemagicalme @chumpyjones @AntonioSabatoJr Give some information about your experience with Baal

@atlantik101 @AntonioSabatoJr Smooooooooooooooooth brain.

@AntonioSabatoJr No pictures of the crew getting on the ship, no pics of ground control, the crew is goofing off for the camera way too much... it smells like a fraud!

@Arqosh @mathemagicalme @chumpyjones @AntonioSabatoJr Baal was cooler. Shoulda stuck with him.

@mathemagicalme @chumpyjones @AntonioSabatoJr It is only when the name of YHWH is called that the witchcraft loses its power and the demons fly away. So it's clearly YHWH supremacy

@gospel_lens @stackerco @TribeRuffner It excels at explaining why people hold beliefs, but can’t distinguish true beliefs from sincerely held pseudoscience or conspiracy theories. It’s trash for someone who wants to arrive at truth. Maybe that’s not your objective.

@danjamin18 @stackerco @TribeRuffner The collective witness model removes weirdo outlier teachings because they don't align with the actual teachings of the church. It's not that difficult and fits well in a system that sees no one as perfect other than God.

These younger Mormon apologists are coming from a completely different environment. A different Mormonism really. They’ve grown up shaped inside apologetics and polemics, so these reinterpretations feel normal to them. They haven’t really experienced lived Mormonism as it was, what you might call Bruce R. McConkie Mormonism of certainty and hard claims. They haven’t lived through the church calling things anti Mormon that turned out to be real history. Instead, they’ve inherited something thinner, more flexible, more abstract, more surface level where they can ignore deep doctrines and past teachings and prophets that teach things they don’t like. And that’s all they know. They are trained to creatively resolve problems instead of confronting them. Their informative years were based on “doubt your doubts” while we were raised with Hugh B Browns’ “We must be willing to give up cherished beliefs if evidence and truth require it.” So when contradictions show up, the instinct isn’t to question the system like it was for many of us Gen Xers. Their instinct is to reframe it. That’s what they believe is the best way to find truth. The Stick of Joseph podcast is an example. A couple guys in their 20s. If you watched that interview with John Dehlin, it’s hard to miss the combination: confidence without context and arrogance. But it’s not just indoctrination. This social media thing has given them more incentive. In-group platitudes and shallow statements get likes and views and praise. Their identity, platform, and status are tied to defending the system so their reasoning is motivated, not neutral. They haven’t had a chance to think for themselves. And now with social they cannot. You can see these apologetics have changed from guys like Hugh Nibley to apologetics that just try to soften problems. Ward Radio, Stick of Joseph, all these shows have zero depth. They’ve shifted from Hugh Nibley claims to how do we create ambiguity so anything could be allowed to be true? It’s the only way to survive modern scrutiny, by making everything unfalsifiable. So now they’re arrogant. They think they’ve figured it out better than us old guys. Because they’re “more nuanced” and “intellectually mature” than the past generations. They don’t get caught up in minor things like polygamy, race in the priesthood, anachronisms, Book of Abraham translations like us old idiots do. And it’s our fault we didn’t research this stuff and just believed the church when we were growing up. Really the generations have grown up in entirely different religions and cultures. And while we may have been trained to think more black and white, the younger generation has been trained against thinking critically.