Quickened

Haha, brother… do you really think I’m over here defending human autonomy? That’s funny. We haven’t interacted a ton, so I think I see why you might assume that, but nothing could be further from the truth. I don’t believe in any level of human autonomy because Scripture explicitly says there is no such thing. God ordains and controls everything. LFW is a lie. My point has always been simple: the three imputations work fine inside Reformed theology, but you have to start with that framework first and then make the verses fit. Scripture itself doesn’t require those extra steps. That’s all I was pointing out. Grace and peace to you, SA.

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There are three imputations involved in salvation. 1. The imputation of Adam’s first sin. 2. The imputation of sins to Christ such that He bears their guilt and punishment. 3. The imputation of Christ’s full satisfaction and perfect obedience.

As I said at the beginning, in Reformed theology this all works fine. But you have to start with the three-imputations framework first, then make the verses fit. That’s exactly what I was pointing out. Scripture itself doesn’t require those extra steps. Case in point: Rom 5:19 says we were made sinners by Adam’s disobedience, but it never defines that as legal guilt transfer of his specific act. Paul ties the spread of death to “all sinned” in v12 and calls the parallel “not like” the trespass (vv15-16). The text doesn’t require the extra step you keep importing.

Quickened, you’re missing the forest for the trees. If you say we are only made sinners by our own individual acts, you’re actually disagreeing with the plain text of Romans 5:19: "For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners..." Paul doesn't say we were made sinners by our own disobedience; he says we were made sinners by Adam’s. When v12 says “all sinned,” it’s referring to the corporate body acting in its federal head. If “all sinned” meant individual acts, then v19 would have to say, “by every man’s disobedience, every man was made a sinner.” But it doesn't. On the point of Justice: You say Jesus didn't need legal guilt to be punished. But think about that: In what world is it "just" for a judge to punish someone who is 100% legally innocent? That’s not a sacrifice; it’s a crime. For God to be just in pouring out His wrath on Jesus, Jesus had to be legally "made to be sin" (2 Cor 5:21). 🔑 He wasn't a sinner in His character, but He was legally charged with our crimes. Without that imputation of guilt, the Cross is just divine child abuse. On the "Zero" Balance: You say we are "declared righteous" but deny we are credited His life of law-keeping. That's a contradiction. "Righteous" isn't just a fancy word for "forgiven." To be righteous is to have fulfilled the law. If Jesus only paid for your sins on the Cross, your debt is gone, but you still haven't kept the law. You’re at zero. But the Law requires a perfect score to enter life. You’re trying to make it "simple," but you’re leaving us with a God who is unjust and a believer who is still falling short of the standard. 🔑 The Gospel isn't just a "restart" button; it's a swap. He took our whole status (guilt) and gave us His whole status (perfection). That’s why it’s Good News.

I appreciate the reply, brother, but you're actually proving my point. Your pushback starts with Reformed assumptions instead of letting Scripture speak first. On the first point, Rom 5:12 clearly says that “death spread to all men because all sinned.” That’s our own sin when we actually do it. You skip that plain statement and try to use v14 to claim infants must be legally guilty of Adam’s sin... but the text never says that. v14 simply notes that death still reigned even over those who did not sin in the likeness of Adam’s transgression. That’s physical death in a cursed world after the fall (“to dust you shall return” in Gen 3). We’re all born into a mortal race under that curse. It’s not a personal legal verdict charging Adam’s guilt to babies. God cursed the whole human race and even the ground because of Adam’s one act. Those are real consequences, but they’re not transferred guilt. Guilt remains personal all throughout Scripture (Ezek 18:20; Deut 24:16). When we grow older and actually sin, then we become guilty of our own sin. The text never requires imputed guilt to explain why babies die physically. The same thing goes for the other points. On #2, you assume that for God to be just, Jesus had to become legally guilty Himself; otherwise, “in what universe is it just to punish an innocent?” Emotional appeal aside, Scripture never says the substitute has to take on personal guilt. Where does the Bible ever say Jesus must be considered guilty before He can be punished? He bore our sins and punishment while remaining the spotless, blameless One (1 Pet 2:24; 2 Cor 5:21; Gal 3:13). 1 Pet 3:18 even says “the righteous for the unrighteous"--exactly like the OT sacrifices, where the innocent died in the place of the guilty without becoming guilty. On #3, you assume we need Christ’s whole pre-cross life credited as a “perfect record” or else we’re only at “zero” and faith becomes an 11th commandment. But I never said we only get forgiveness. The text just doesn’t include that extra step. We are justified and declared righteous in Christ by faith, which is exactly what the text shows. The one act of obedience that makes us righteous was on the cross (Rom 5:18-19), not His life under the law. As I said, you’re starting with your systematic in order to explain Scripture, instead of letting Scripture speak for itself. I hope you can see this. And yes, the Gospel really is that simple.

Quickened, I appreciate the "keep it simple" vibe, but you’re actually making the Gospel impossible. If you’re right, God is unjust and we’re all still in trouble. Here is why: 1. The "Adam" Problem You say guilt isn't inherited, only personal. But Romans 5:14 says death reigned even over those who didn't sin like Adam did (like infants). If death is the "wages of sin," why do they die? Because they are legally connected to Adam. If you break the link between us and Adam’s guilt, you also break the link between us and Christ’s righteousness. If guilt can't be transferred, salvation is over before it starts. 2. The "Spotless" Confusion You say Jesus bore the punishment but not the guilt. Think about that: in what universe is it "just" to punish an innocent person? If a judge sends a man to prison who has zero legal guilt, that judge is a monster. For God to be just in punishing Jesus, Jesus had to be legally guilty. Not a sinner in His nature, but legally "made to be sin" (2 Cor 5:21) for us. He took the legal status so we could get His. 3. The "Neutralized Law" vs. Satisfaction You’re presenting a "neutralized" law... like Jesus just wiped the slate and now we just have to "believe." This turns faith into an 11th Commandment. You're saying the 10 Commandments don't matter anymore, and now there’s just one new rule: Believe or go to Hell. But the punishment for failing that "one rule" is the same as failing the 10 Commandments. Why? Because the Law wasn't neutralized; it was satisfied. We don’t just need a "clean slate" (forgiveness); we need a "perfect record" (righteousness). If Jesus only died for your sins, you’re at zero. You’re not "perfect," you’re just "not guilty." But God requires perfection to enter Heaven. We need Christ's whole life of obedience credited to us so we can actually meet God’s standard. The Bottom Line: Your "simple" gospel turns Jesus into a "potential" Savior who makes a down payment and waits for you to finish the transaction. The Biblical Gospel says Jesus actually saved His people by perfectly keeping the Law they couldn't and taking the guilt they did. Don't trade a finished work for an 11th Commandment theology.

I think I understand your point, but correct me if I’m making an incorrect assumption here. You’re calling out what looks like a sneaky move by labeling something “anthropomorphic” and boom… suddenly it has to be metaphor. If so, then I disagree with you. Scripture flat-out tells us God isn’t a man like us (Job 9:32, Isaiah 55:8-9, Psalm 50:21, etc.), that He’s spirit (John 4:24), and is invisible (1 Tim 1:17)… yet He still uses human-sounding language to connect with us. That’s not a presupposition, it’s just reading the whole book together and letting the clear passages govern the more “vivid” ones.

Saying that a description of God is anthropomorphic requires the presupposition that God is “not like that” and so it must be metaphorical language.

@AL_J82 @ManassehRJones While this is observable and I agree, I think the same can be said of a multitude of beliefs.

Don't be fooled. Majority of these Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox don't read church history or the fathers themselves. They depend on partial quotes fed to them by their favorite online apologist.

“…man is a giddy thing, and this is my conclusion.” (Much Ado About Nothing, Act 5, Scene 4) It’s not Scripture, but Shakespeare was certainly on to something.

@AttorneyBrand @BiblicalAnarchy @CommunityNotes 😂

@BiblicalAnarchy @CommunityNotes we've got a live one!

The only correct way to eat a steak is well done

Get out quicker.

“I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. And the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.” — Galatians 2:20

This is the one of best posts I’ve seen in a long time. 🔥

@KeenanMiller7 @Theo_102_ At the risk of sounding dismissive, I really couldn’t care less what Luther did or did not like.

@quickened2him @Theo_102_ 😂😂😂 All I did was quote it brother 😂😂😂 Martin Luther didn’t like it either

Want to see the scope of biblical illiteracy on X? Post a passage or phrase from Scripture... without citing the reference. Uff da... 🤦‍♂️

@ReformedCaio Careful or not, it’s still ad hoc.

Calvinists are often mocked for having “two of everything,” or making “ad hoc distinctions.” This charge holds no weight since every single robust theological tradition makes care distinctions all the time. Yes, even classical Arminians. Thomas Oden writes, distinguishing between prevenient grace and saving grace: “Prevenient grace is the grace that begins to enable one to choose further to cooperate with saving grace. By offering the will the restored capacity to respond to grace, the person then may freely and increasingly become an active, willing participant in receiving the conditions for justification.”

James is saying that the one with true faith believes the right things about God and shows it. The one with the dead version just asserts he does. In saying “God judges works, not theology,” you’re missing the point. This passage exposes the guy who SAYS—to other men—he has faith (v14) but can’t SHOW it (v18). That’s the faith James calls dead. Sola Fide has never meant “claim it with zero fruit.” That’s Sola Nada.

@quickened2him @Theo_102_ It’s not a big deal God isn’t going to judge you for your theology He will judge you for your works Go be Sola Fida But make sure your works are good … make damn sure of it

@KeenanMiller7 @Theo_102_ Seems to me you missed the point of my post AND the point of James.

@Theo_102_ @quickened2him James is talking about being justified before God He’s not talking about being justified before men it doesn’t make sense He’s talking about God That’s such a stupid way to read it. I can’t help but think it’s dishonesty.

@GatorRob777 @Marvel0usJesus Love the title. 🔥

Set your minds on what is above, not on what is on the earth. Colossians 3:2

@ShinarSquirrel @MichelleDLesley *Leaning

@ShinarSquirrel @MichelleDLesley Leanong toward (but not dogmatic about) a Thursday crucifixion and now Famous Dave’s pickle chips as your go-to? You’re on a roll today. 👍

I know many of you have been waiting anxiously to hear back about my pickle predicament.😀 So I just wanted to let you know that after much experimentation... I HAVE CREATED THE PERFECT PICKLE. Spicy and not too sweet. Recipe: Buy these two jars of pickles. Remove pickles from jars (keep them separate). Put the Wickles in the Famous Dave's brine and the Famous Dave's pickles in the Wickles brine. Shake well. Put both back in the fridge and let sit for a couple of days before eating. I hope this helps someone. I live to serve.😀🥒💚

@rootcausesleuth I remember that. Saw another one today that just about made my eyes roll into the back of my head with some of the comments. 🙄

@quickened2him Yeah I did this and it didn’t go over well 😆

@subq Agreed. Such irony there, don't you think?

@quickened2him indeed, many people will likely be fooled that it has some sort of intelligence…i think some are already fooled 🤷‍♂️

ai is a good tool it will never become sentient though it will never have a spirit/soul