Quickened

1) Answer the question, please. 2) Your point falls flat on its face, because Scripture was the authority long before the NT was penned. Jesus treated it as unbreakable divine authority equal to His own words (“Scripture cannot be broken” – Jn 10:35). Tell me, how did Jesus explain everything concerning Himself to the disciples using only the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms (Luke 24:27, 44)?

@quickened2him 1) he didn’t say “only scripture” 2) the point still stands that there was nothing written of the NT for decades, and the Bible took centuries more

What was the final authority on faith and morals before any New Testament document was written?

@espinoza_dy 🎯 As is an angry one.

A fearful man is highly susceptible to spiritual manipulation.

I disagree. The Scriptures do not, in fact, state that “love cannot be coerced.” Can you walk me through the specific verse(s) and how you deduce this universal claim you're making from the text? As for the Calvinism part of your comment... I’m not a Calvinist, so I'm not going to speak for them. If you want their view, you’ll have to ask one. 🤷‍♂️

The Scriptures do, in fact, state that love /cannot/ be coerced. What is the opposite of coerced? Further question: if love doesn't need to be free, why does Calvinism exert so much effort at circomlucations like "God doesn't force you to love, he changes your nature so you /must/ love." Why bother with the "softening" if there's nothing to "soften?"

If God knows the future exhaustively, and it’s set, Can he have real relationships? Or is he just role playing?

Good question. Yes, it is a valid deduction from Scripture. Scripture reveals God as Truth who cannot lie and who created and sustains a coherent, non-contradictory reality (Heb 6:18; 2 Tim 2:13). Basic arithmetic such as 2+2=4 follows as a simple deduction from that revealed order. Namely, that quantities exist as God made them and contradictions are impossible. But "love must involve libertarian freedom to be genuine" is not a valid deduction from Scripture. It's an extra-biblical assumption you're smuggling in. Until you demonstrate how your assertion is a valid deduction from Scripture, you're still begging the question.

@quickened2him @JosephamillerII @DrawNear_ @dfziklag It’s an interesting argument. Is 2 + 2 = 4 scriptural?

@JosephamillerII @rootcausesleuth @DrawNear_ @dfziklag Free from what? I won’t say a love relationship “must be free” for one simple reason: it’s not scriptural.

@rootcausesleuth @DrawNear_ @dfziklag @quickened2him He can’t say a love relationship must be free because he has to keep predestination in view. It’s a Chinese finger trap Calvinists get stuck in.

@rootcausesleuth @JosephamillerII @DrawNear_ @dfziklag Tell me you see the irony in your comment here. You say we should question our presuppositions while your entire objection rests on one you never defended scripturally or logically. 🤷‍♂️

@JosephamillerII @DrawNear_ @dfziklag @quickened2him Yes…it is better that we question our understanding and our presuppositions than hold to things that make God look bad

@JesseDornfeld Heh. Yeah. Particularly when it is so obviously rehearsed.

Do you guys ever get annoyed by pastors talking in a performative way? I do. Drives me nuts.

@subq I’ve heard that idea floated before. Intriguing. Instead of “what time is it over there” would it be “what part of the day is it there”? 🤔

every year the debates start up about dst…and it’s usually split on keeping it or keeping standard i really think the best solution (which won’t happen) is we just lock the lock to utc global…it’s merely a reference point/number…might as well have it the same around the world

@Be_Like_JChrist @subq Yep. That about sums up your arguments on X…

@subq Pagan free will garbage??? What? Sovereignty does not equal all controlling. That is why the definition of sovereignty from Calvinist is blasphemy. Maybe you don’t understand the distinction between Calvinism and the rest of Christianity.

“sovereignty blasphemy” ??? what in the world?! Jesus is the only Sovereign! Over all of creation. if anything, blasphemy would be claiming He isn’t pagan “free will” garbage

@subq @BiblesForFree

@BiblesForFree 👍 it would be a little concerning to me if someone has been a Christian 20+ years and their theology hasn’t “changed” at all

@subq during our open discussion yesterday, i confessed that my theology has been refining for the last 57 years i'd venture to say that the only ones who are static are the spiritually dead

@Lindaloves1776 @Be_Like_JChrist This entire post begs the very question it’s trying to prove. If you’re going to leave Scripture behind for your arguments (NOT recommended), at least be sure your logic is sound. 🙄

If we were totally depraved and unable to do right, God would not have rebuked Cain for bringing an unclean sacrifice. The implication from the context is Cain new exactly what he was supposed to do. God said if you do right, you will be accepted, but if you don't do right, sin is crouching at your door. This indicates. Cain was completely able to choose to do the right thing. On the other hand, if God told Cain to do right, but had already made it impossible for him to do right, then that makes God a despicable, trickster and liar. This is the conflict, the conundrum, the unsolvable puzzle that Calvin creates . The only inescapable truth is man indeed is able to choose because God gave him free will to do so.

Calvinist believe that we are all born, totally depraved, that God decreed the fall of man so that they would become totally depraved, and that in this condition you’re incapable of choosing to do good or choosing God. But they don’t believe that God is responsible for us being in a condition of being incapable of choosing to do good. That we are somehow responsible. They also believe that God would be just to judge us for doing evil when he made us to do evil. Then they will complain and say that God didn’t make us to do evil he just decreed that we would fall and do evil. As if that is somehow different. The Calvinist god is an evil god. It is not the God of the Bible. If you raise dogs and determine that they should be fighters and vicious, and then you hire somebody to train the dog to be just this way. The responsibility will fall on your shoulders when that dog bite somebody. And you and the trainer will go to jail for abusing your animals. But not in the Calvinist view. In the Calvinist world view. It is the dog’s fault that the dog was vicious.

@Boomstick44 @GatorRob777 Why do I need to get wet to proclaim my love for God? And yes… I joke about man-made traditions.

@quickened2him @GatorRob777 Afraid to publicly proclaim your love for God so you make jokes about it? Maybe one day you’ll get there😔

Fathers, BE THE ONE WHO BAPTIZES YOUR CHILDREN!!! We are commissioned to Baptize and we are commanded to lead our families. Do not outsource spiritual leadership, God has entrusted those souls to you! 🫵 “But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” -Joshua 24:15

@GatorRob777 @Boomstick44 Yeah. I stopped giving my daughters a bath many years ago.

@Boomstick44 Water does nothing but make one wet

@nathancoxey Die. (1 Cor 15:31)

What’s the craziest thing the Holy Spirit’s told you to do?

1970–1979: His sheep 1980–1989: His sheep 1990–1999: His sheep 2000–2009: His sheep 2010–2019: His sheep 2020–Present: His sheep

I am Quickened and I approve this message. 😆 Grok’s summary of @quickened2him’s doctrinal stance: “He’s a no-system, Scripture-only guy who believes God sovereignly causes everything for His glory (classic theistic determinism), but he refuses to let anyone file him under Calvinism or any other label. Everything he posts circles back to the plain text of the Bible and God getting all the glory.”

If you’ve followed or seen my posts for any amount of time, you know I have pretty strong disagreements with Calvinism. Whether you agree or disagree with me on this, I’d recommend you Romans 16:17 this 🤡.

@Be_Like_JChrist I have my own disagreements with Calvinism… but now you’re just being 🤪. Do better.

Can you imagine claiming that a person can be born again, born at the Spirit, but not yet saved because God has to first give them faith so that He would be justified in saving them? This is Calvinistic logic

@nathancoxey Almost all do. Communion and baptism (whether pedo or credo) are doctrinal relics kept from Rome.

Do you have Catholic doctrine in your Protestant church?

@MomC3P91 Then why’d you even use it? 🤔 You have a good day as well.

@quickened2him Now who’s making assumptions? I was talking about its authority to speak about someone’s character. Nvm. Have a good day.

If "God does everything for his own glory," isn't the Cross most selfish act instead of his most selfless?