If atheism is true, there is no morality: "You have your way, I have my way. As for the right way, it does not exist." - Friedrich Nietzsche

@NotEvolution1 Im an agnostic but I manage not to drop napalm on Vietnamese children. How you doing?

Atheism itself doesn’t make moral, metaphysical, or epistemological claims. It rejects one specific claim: that a god exists. That’s it. You can be an atheist who accepts reason, rejects reason, embraces mysticism, or holds wildly incoherent views. Atheism alone doesn’t guarantee anything beyond disbelief in a deity. That’s precisely why the claim “atheism leads to no morality” is false. Moral nihilism isn’t the consequence of atheism, it’s the consequence of rejecting reason. And history shows that faith is perfectly capable of doing that on its own. Most of what modern Christians now reject was once justified by Christianity itself, explicitly on the grounds of divine authority. Slavery, torture, heresy laws, subjugation of women, religious wars. All morally sanctioned because questioning them meant questioning God. What changed wasn’t atheism replacing faith. It was reason restraining faith. The Enlightenment emerged when reason, evidence, and individual rights began overriding unquestionable divine command. Christianity didn’t voluntarily become humane. It was forced to adapt under secular pressure. The “moral” Christianity praised today is a diluted version shaped by philosophy, science, and liberal principles it once opposed. Appealing to God doesn’t ground morality. It either makes morality arbitrary “good because God says so” or redundant “God says it because it’s good.” In both cases, reason does the real work. Atheism doesn’t give you morality. Reason does. And faith’s moral progress only began once it was subordinated to reality instead of ruling over it.

@NotEvolution1 If you need a book to tell you not to be a monster "or else", you're just a cowardly monster.

@NotEvolution1 Lmao the "objective" moral standard. 👇

@NotEvolution1 Morals existed long before your dumb religion was invented.

@NotEvolution1 "If atheism is true" That fails as a statement, because atheism is not a claim that can be true or false. Atheism is the lack of belief in a God claim. Very different things!

@NotEvolution1 Are you saying that without a God to tell you what to do, you’d go around murdering, raping and stealing?

@NotEvolution1 Wrong. It just mean there is no objective morality. That doesn’t mean there is no subjective morality. Indeed, we’ve never had any other type of morality.

@NotEvolution1 human society had a moral code before Judeo-Christian traditions came about, so your meme is backward

@NotEvolution1 Stop whit this faggoted nihilism shit embrace reason

@NotEvolution1 Society dictates morality.

I think it is absolutely hysterical when a Christian tells me Morality is OBJECTIVE and then holds up their ….fictional…..morally bankrupt, genocidal, Pro-slavery, Pro-sex slavery, murderous, torturous, “God of the Bible” character as the proposed SOURCE of OBJECTIVE MORALITY ……… Maybe…IF….God was real and the Bible wasn’t written by ancient barbarians…THOU SHALL NOT OWN OTHER HUMANS AS PROPERTY and THOU SHALL NOT RAPE CHILDREN would have made it into The Top Ten Commandments

@NotEvolution1 Objective morality isn’t a thing. It’s social constructs and contracts. Cope

@NotEvolution1 If you need to invent a God to avoid mutilating toddlers or mislabeling inferior fruit as genuine Washington State apples, then I'm glad – no, I'm relieved that you have one. But don't project your depravity onto the rest of us.

@NotEvolution1 Many fail to understand this. Without God, we ultimately become fallible gods, issuing our own edicts on a moral framework that doesn't actually exist.

@NotEvolution1 This is correct

@NotEvolution1 I mean this could just be a coincidence…

@NotEvolution1 If we're cribbing from Christian morality then why aren't we burning suspected witches and horrible Biblical things like that? Face it, Skippy. You've been cribbing from secular Enlightenment ideas about morality.

@NotEvolution1 Lol that's just not true. Even if it is as simple as, "me no likey" that means morality exists at least conceptually. If you want humans to flourish and for less harm there's a measurable action to take. Thats objective

@NotEvolution1 No one should need a book of fairytales to teach them right from wrong. If you don't inherently know, then you are a sociopath.

@NotEvolution1 All the great philosophers of Greece lived and wrote down their wisdoms before this "God" that you refer to was created with Christianity. Many of those moral rules were copied to Christian writings.

@NotEvolution1 You need the ever looming threat of eternal pain and suffering in order to try to be a good person, I choose to be a good person because I want to be a good person

@NotEvolution1 The fact that you believe morality can only exist within a religious context is what is wrong with religion.

Morality, at its most basic and defensible level, is the capacity to distinguish right from wrong ,moral knowledge. Without that capacity, moral responsibility is impossible. Genesis explicitly states that humans only acquired this knowledge after eating the fruit, “Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil” (Gen 3:22). Yet god issues a command beforehand , “You must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” (Gen 2:17) and treats the violation as a moral transgression warranting punishment. This establishes a clear sequence, command first, moral knowledge later. By definition, morality did not exist prior to the act. That leaves a dilemma,either god punished morally ignorant beings, which is itself immoral, or the act was not a moral transgression at all, which collapses the claim that morality is grounded in god. Since Genesis is the religion’s foundational origin narrative, later assertions that morality originates in god are not derived from the text but directly contradict it, functioning as post-hoc theological repair rather than moral grounding.

@NotEvolution1 That is not at all true. Religions never caused someone to be moral but a person’s morality may affect their choice of religion.

@NotEvolution1 Bullshit.

@NotEvolution1 If morality were objective then why does God keep changing his mind about it?

@NotEvolution1 Then how come many atheists behave in a moral way and many religious people do not?

I'm sorry I nearly fell off my chair laughing reading this. If the only thing stopping you from behaving badly is surveillance by a deity, you are not moral, you are house-trained. Morality did not fall from the sky. It emerged from human empathy, reciprocity, and the hard business of living together. Religion doesn’t create morality, it claims ownership of it after the fact, then threatens you if you don’t pay rent.

@NotEvolution1 Morality (the definition of what is socially acceptable, proper or right) has existed long before Christianity, or religions at all.