@wookash_podcast Completely disagree with Laurie, but you're describing platform exclusives
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Would it also lead to "oh I need Google subscription to play game Y, but game X requires Nvidia GeForce subscription, and game Z is offered by Netflix, so I gotta grab all of them"?
LaurieWired@lauriewired
you’ll get mad at me for saying this…but cloud gaming is so obviously more economically efficient than physical hardware I think it’s going to be the default soon. your home console / pc is idle 90%+ of the day. meanwhile, data centers targets what, 5%, maybe at worst 10% idle. every second a cloud gamer isn’t gaming, that hardware is being used for someone else, training, etc. I think there should be a new measurement, something like cost-per effective FLOP hour that takes into account the TCO + effective utilization. If a gamer spends $500 on a GPU, uses it for 3 years, but it’s only fully active ~5% of that period…the cost-per relative FLOP hour is crazy high! Meanwhile, a $50,000 datacenter GPU might have a *LOWER* cost-per FLOP hour just because the effective utilization is 90+%.
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Your post reads like a corporate script designed to justify the transition to subscription-based computing. This post is likely part of an exposure effect campaign to normalize the idea 'Compute as a Service.'
Don't pretend you understand the 'you'll own nothing' meme to make light of what you're trying to say here.
You're wrong.
And you're using a random usage statistic to justify it.
You're framing 'idle time' as an inefficiency, but that fundamentally misses the point of ownership. My hardware doesn't owe anyone a minimum utilization rate; it exists to be available exactly when I need it, not when a data center needs to monetize it.
Up until quite literally 2 months ago I was still using a 1080ti which was purchased on launch.
I don't care that you personally know someone who got rid of their PC because they don't use it. The one-off examples of wage slaves don't concern me.
Your TCO math is a joke because it ignores rent-seeking. You're trading long-term ownership for a fragile, temporary rental service that only exists as long as a company deems it profitable.
LaurieWired@lauriewired
you’ll get mad at me for saying this…but cloud gaming is so obviously more economically efficient than physical hardware I think it’s going to be the default soon. your home console / pc is idle 90%+ of the day. meanwhile, data centers targets what, 5%, maybe at worst 10% idle. every second a cloud gamer isn’t gaming, that hardware is being used for someone else, training, etc. I think there should be a new measurement, something like cost-per effective FLOP hour that takes into account the TCO + effective utilization. If a gamer spends $500 on a GPU, uses it for 3 years, but it’s only fully active ~5% of that period…the cost-per relative FLOP hour is crazy high! Meanwhile, a $50,000 datacenter GPU might have a *LOWER* cost-per FLOP hour just because the effective utilization is 90+%.
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Legendary performance optimization advice, courtesy of the Wu-Tang Clan: "Cache rules everything around me..."
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@stewartlynch8 Casey Muratori calls this "pessimisation" which I love
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Everything that's wrong with modern software can be summed up in two words:
"Unnecessary Complexity"
Programming languages, project structure, build systems. libraries, performance, team structure, all suffer from this.
Unnecessary complexity affects most human activities. Just look at politics and the legal system. We try and solve every problem by adding something new which just adds another set of problems. But programming has a particular problem because programmers usually self select for enjoying complexity. We enjoy being able to understand something complex and get it working. We are engineers of probably the most complex structures humans have ever created.
Because of this it's our job to fight complexity where ever we can. There will always be complex problems where we do need to flex our brains, but everywhere else we need to strive for simplicity. Complexity is the enemy of good software.
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“native has nothing to offer”
No, you’ve just either never bothered to seriously try it, or you just suck.
judah@joodalooped
ahahahahahahaha (it’s true)
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@samlambert @hollylawly @haxiom_io @TylerFCloutier The difference is that you led with personal insults rather than with a response in the vein of this reply. I don't remotely have a dog in this fight, but even if you're right, your conduct has been egregious enough to overshadow your arguments.
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what about the years of work we have put in? we could spend time making up 50 scenarios where they looked terrible and we looked awesome. but why? it would be a mean thing to do. our benchmarks vs competitors use the same or larger compute (in favor of the competitor) the same database engine, the same amount of hops, the same libraries because we believe in fairness and consistency.
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So disappointing to see this. The TigerBeetle team is incredible, that much is true.
However, SpacetimeDB is not an unreliable in-memory, eventually consistent pile of garbage made by a bunch of goons, as is being suggested.
SpacetimeDB is a fully featured RDBMS which provides full ACID guarantees, a real-time incremental query engine, and serializable isolation. The cloud version supports replication out of the box.
We’ve put our heart and soul into building it for 8+ years. We take correctness extremely seriously. Not for nothing but we also run our own production MMORPG on top of it.
Sam Lambert@samlambert
@carlo_taleon @Alcanie1 @AvgDatabaseCEO @convex @supabase @PlanetScale @CockroachDB @tursodatabase similar architecture but there’s a gigantic skill gap between the esteemed Tigerbeetle team and these goons.
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@hollylawly @haxiom_io @samlambert @TylerFCloutier The "competitors tears" thing was a light hearted jab no competitor in particular, not a direct reply to one person insulting tangential work that he and numerous people have been working on for the past few years. It's qualitatively very different.
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the competitor tears clip is from the video which predates Sam's comment. if you're going to come out of the gate marketing like that then why wouldn't you expect responses like this from community/competitors?
honestly i thought the video was funny and was interested in learning more about spacetimedb (saw a talk about it at gdc last year). and yes the benchmarks could use a lot more clarity. Ben talks about some of the issues here.
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Ben Dicken@BenjDicken
Is spacetime cool tech? Yes Are these good benchmarks? No I've done a lot of database benchmarking. It's fun. I like benchmarks! But these were poorly conducted. - So many missing details. What cache warming was done? What region was each database and client in? What were the underlying instance types? Are we benchmarking databases or network latencies? - Anyone create a narrow benchmark that makes a particular database look good. It's better to use widely-used standards (tpcc, sysbench workloads, etc) - AFAICT the spacetime requests are heavily pipelined vs the Postgres options. - Why does spacetime get a custom rust client (rust is fast!) and all the others have to run slow js clients with an ORM middleman over http/rpc? Ultimately it's a big case of apples-to-oranges. Again, spacetime seems like cool tech! But comparing it to a 3-node HA semi-sync pg cluster is... an interesting choice.
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@samlambert @TylerFCloutier Wow you seem like an arsehole
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@TylerFCloutier does the M stand for massive? surely not? you could run this on a raspberry pi
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"No one on our team has opened an IDE in Months"
The team's homepage:
ken@aquariusacquah
With 3 engineers, Kaizen went from 10K LOC committed per week in September, to 100k LOC in December, to 1M LOC this past week all with a background agent. No one on our team has opened an IDE in months.
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PSA: Don't get your financial data from Google. It's scandalous they have a 20x underreporting error on a company that's under review by MSCI and NASDAQ for index inclusion. This applies to Search and Finance. Their numbers aren't even internally consistent.
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@JuanIsidro @Jonathan_Blow They literally are moving pictures though
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@Jonathan_Blow We still call them MOVIES despite them not being moving pictures anymore.
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Weird how we still call video game trailers "trailers", after movie trailers, which are also still called trailers despite not having been trailers for 100 years.
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@PLT_cheater @rtfeldman What brought you to this opinion? IMO jblow has shown he's a smart guy, his ideas have been copied by many of the new programming languages in the current wave (zig, odin)
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@rtfeldman my feedback is to not have joblo on your podcast, invite smart people rather than smart sounding people
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I incorporated some feedback I got from the previous episode into how this one was done, and I really like how it turned out!
Software Unscripted@sw_unscripted
Episode 113: @Jonathan_Blow on Programming Language Design! 🎉
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@rtfeldman I was one of the feeders-back on that last video, and do feel a bit bad for the harshness and everyone piling on! This interview was fantastic and really struck a great balance. Thanks for everything you do 🙏🏼
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@lotuseaters_com this might be of interest to you guys: citizenx.com/insights/norwa…
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@Awk20000 Champagne socialist doesn't even cover it. What a retard
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This is such an immature opinion. I know first hand what goes into gRPC library - and it is years of research by top-tier engineers. Google Highway allows me to target Aarch64 and Wasm SIMD without spending months to really learn them.
Gamedevs need more exposure to writing real software...
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Sum types in general aren’t great
rfleury.com/p/the-codepath…
Eugene Ostroukhov@eeuoss
std::optional is an amazing tool that simplifies many scenarios. See thread.
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@rafdelafuente @grok how often should a healthy person actually poop?
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