Kenneth Johnson

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Kenneth Johnson

Kenneth Johnson

@kjohnsonrn

Jenks, OK Beigetreten Haziran 2023
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Kenneth Johnson
Kenneth Johnson@kjohnsonrn·
@ThoughtfulSaint @GoWithJordan_ Also Joseph- “I want the liberty of believing as I please. It feels so good not to be trammeled. It doesn’t prove that a man is not a good man because he errs in doctrine.” It’s clear he was speaking for himself and the saints.
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Thoughtful-Faith
Thoughtful-Faith@ThoughtfulSaint·
Even if this was recorded properly (which is very possible) I would not care. ——— "A few question their faith when they find a statement made by a Church leader decades ago that seems incongruent with our doctrine. There is an important principle that governs the doctrine of the Church. The doctrine is taught by all 15 members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve. It is not hidden in an obscure paragraph of one talk. True principles are taught frequently and by many." - Neil L Andersen
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Preston Anthony 🇻🇦❤️‍🔥
Even just using your definition of “god breathed”, we still get an inspired, inerrant view of scripture. If all scripture is “life-giving”, and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, then all of scripture must be true. Falsehoods, mistakes, and misunderstandings do not give life, they are not useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, or training in righteousness. Scripture is life-giving, and it is God who made it that way as He is the source of all life. God does not err
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Thoughtful-Faith
Thoughtful-Faith@ThoughtfulSaint·
No where does the Bible ever mention “the Bible” No where in the Bible does it claim inerrancy. These are later theological presuppositions that are not derived from the text. And “god breathed” in the first century meant life giving when you see how it is used in other 1st century texts.
Alex Dubois 🌳🪓@ThatGoldenChain

This is the kind of thing you say if you’ve not meaningfully interacted with how Christ interacts with Scripture in the gospels. Any system outside of Sola Scriptura is really just Sola Ecclesia. Pure allegiance to fallible men claiming authority over an infallible Word.

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Kenneth Johnson
Kenneth Johnson@kjohnsonrn·
@stackerco @grok Grok misses that the OP is not only alleging inconsistency; it is also implicitly equating authority with practical inerrancy, and then using that equation to force a false dilemma.
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stacker@stackerco·
I can accept that prophets are fallible. What I can’t accept is the selective way fallibility gets used only after the fact to excuse serious error, false doctrine, changing commandments and contradictions … …WHILE prophetic authority is still demanded in the present.
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Kenneth Johnson
Kenneth Johnson@kjohnsonrn·
@pseino @Bar_tolmi Haha, no it took 1000 years to find Troy with better conditions, smaller search area, and more archeology.
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Ransom Bartholomew
Ransom Bartholomew@Bar_tolmi·
The LDS church has to keep a vague stance on the location of the events of the Book of Mormon because it leaves the door open that something, ANTHING, might be found to support it. Even though the existence of Troy from the myth of Homer's Odyssey was debated and doubted as a real city, it's location was later confirmed in 1870 and excavated. There is more evidence for the epic poem of Homer, than there is archeological evidence and ancient manuscripts in the Americas for Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon. Let that sink in.
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Kenneth Johnson
Kenneth Johnson@kjohnsonrn·
@stackerco @bdots2020 Staker will hereby set the rules for prophets! Doctor getting something wrong and guilty of malpractice are not same thing. Same with prophets. Wait, sorry, you make the rules.
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stacker@stackerco·
@bdots2020 Know what else is dumb? Trying to make every problem unfalsifiable. Infallibility lets any false prophet off the hook
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stacker@stackerco·
A doctor: “I went to med school.” A prophet: “I speak for God.” This not about whether fallible people who are trained in medicine can know more than me. This is about why someone should still be treated as speaking for God after being wrong in God’s name.
Thoughtful-Faith@ThoughtfulSaint

I can accept that doctors are fallible. What I can’t accept is that I am still expected to think my doctor knows more than me about how to treat my cancer.

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Kenneth Johnson
Kenneth Johnson@kjohnsonrn·
@stackerco That’s not even a little bit at all what he said. But I suppose if I was trying to read my bitter presuppositions that way, I too could delude myself
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stacker@stackerco·
It was never about coffee. It was never about your tithing money. It was never about you struggling with sin. It was never really about agency. It was never about righteousness. —— It was about compliance reframed as obedience. It was about control made to look holy. It was about loyalty. You were taught to feel guilty for being human. It was about whether you could be governed Eight-year-olds don’t choose baptism. They comply. Many eighteen-year-olds don’t choose missions. They submit to expectation.
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Kenneth Johnson
Kenneth Johnson@kjohnsonrn·
@mrmdotorg Like a Christian being apathetic about God’s foreknowledge, simple, open or, middle, is that not tolerable either?
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Kenneth Johnson@kjohnsonrn·
@stackerco @Ptrickstar I think you’re on to something with this one. You don’t think Isaiah was referring to Jesus, and that gets to the dual nature of prophecy, it’s through the authority of Prophets, who are authorized to interpret scripture. Reject the Prophet, reject the BOM, reject Christ.
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stacker@stackerco·
The “Stick of Joseph” and “Stick of Judah” in Ezekiel 37 are not the Book of Mormon and the Bible. They’re not even talking about scrolls. God tells Ezekiel to take two “sticks” and write on them Write on them “For Judah” and “For Joseph.” Then join them into one stick. But the Hebrew word for sticks is “etz”which means piece of wood or a staff or an actual stick. It represents the reunification of Judah, the southern kingdom and the northern kingdom of Israel/Ephraim/Joseph. This is about bringing together a division that happened after Solomon and making kingdoms one nation again. “I will make them one nation… and one king shall be king over them all.”
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Johnny5
Johnny5@NoDisassemble5·
@BradWitbeck how often is tithing mentioned in LDS talks? How important is “the law of tithing”? Emotional manipulation (guilt, shame) tactics are prevalent in getting the members to feel compelled to tithe or risk eternal consequences.
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Brad Witbeck
Brad Witbeck@BradWitbeck·
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has never "demanded" my money. I willingly give a tithe of a 10th of my increase as a sacrifice to God. And what's the "religious corporate greed" being used for? As a safety net and to feed the hungry? How is this bad?
Furkan Gözükara@FurkanGozukara

Absolute insanity. An expert filmmaker exposes how the Mormon Church is hoarding a staggering 350 billion dollars and buying up massive amounts of American land while still demanding money from its followers. The religious corporate greed is terrifying.

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Kenneth Johnson
Kenneth Johnson@kjohnsonrn·
@KyleIgnatius @LukeFHan …please. It feels so good not to be trammeled. It doesn’t prove that a man is not a good man because he errs in doctrine.” -Joseph Smith Hope that helps
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Ignatius K
Ignatius K@KyleIgnatius·
@LukeFHan Can individual Mormons believe whatever they want so long as they don't contradict your Church leadership? It's bizarre to hear a Mormon say one can be a member of your Church and believe and presumably worship Adam as God.
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Luke Hanson
Luke Hanson@LukeFHan·
Latter-day Saints weren't happy that the Daily Wire had on Joe Heschmeyer to talk about us, but not to us. Hopefully that will happen one day. In the meantime I sat down with Joe Heschmeyer to challenge him on what he said regarding the Adam-God doctrine. youtu.be/gFtj5rr1ekY?si…
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Kenneth Johnson
Kenneth Johnson@kjohnsonrn·
@KyleIgnatius @LukeFHan “I never thought it was right to call up a man and try him because he erred in doctrine. It looks too much like Methodism and not like Latter-day-Saintism. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be kicked out of their church. I want the liberty of believing as I…
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Kenneth Johnson
Kenneth Johnson@kjohnsonrn·
I know I’m in the minority, so perhaps you all can help me out. I think eternal laws are instituted by God, and are not co-equal or co-eternal with Him, but are instead eternal because they are His. I find this in the scriptures, and spoken of by prophets. #LDSX #LDX #Mormon
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Ransom Bartholomew
Ransom Bartholomew@Bar_tolmi·
@Buttars9129 The approximate location of Troy was known since ancient times. The exact location was determined in 1870. It's more a matter of precision than guesswork.
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Ransom Bartholomew
Ransom Bartholomew@Bar_tolmi·
I've read the book of Mormon many times, we're tired because things don't add up. For example: Why are there tens of thousands of ancient Bible manuscripts and none for the Book of Mormon? Why do we know where Jerusalem is, but not Zarahemla? Why do "ancient Jews" preach sermons like the burned over district in 19th century New York? Why is faith the only answer when the book claims to be historical? What happened to all of the ruins, swords, helmets and the entire civilizations of the Book of Mormon? It's not sign seeking, it's honest inquiry.
Matt@MattTestifies

People asking for proof usually aren’t stupid. A lot of them are tired. Some have been burned. Some just don’t want to get fooled. I get that. The Book of Mormon’s pushback is simple though. God isn’t a lab experiment you control. If the posture is prove it right now, in my timeframe, in my preferred format, you’re basically putting yourself in the judge’s seat and asking Him to audition. Faith is the opposite posture. It’s not pretending. It’s not turning your brain off. It’s choosing to move toward Christ with what you already have, even if it’s small. That’s why Alma 32 is such a big deal. He’s not saying manufacture belief. He’s saying try an honest experiment. Make room for the word. Live it long enough to see what it does to you. Watch if it changes your desires, your patience, your temper, your relationships, your sense of peace. That’s not a demand for fireworks. That’s willingness. And Ether 12:6 nails the order. Faith comes first, then the witness. Not because God is stingy, but because trust is part of the actual relationship. If I only “believe” after I get everything handed to me, I’m not really following Him, I’m evaluating Him. So when I say come closer, I mean do the basic things that put you in a place where God can actually speak. Read the Book of Mormon with real intent, not as a gotcha exercise. Pray like you actually want an answer, not like you’re daring Him. Then pay attention to what happens inside you and in your life. That’s the “walk with Him” piece. You learn the voice of the Spirit the same way you learn anyone’s voice, by spending time with them. Consistency. Honesty. Real effort. And if someone wants a sign first, the Book of Mormon’s warning is pretty blunt. Signs don’t fix a heart that’s already decided. Helaman 16 shows people watching miracles and still finding a way to dismiss them. If a person is committed to not believing, no amount of proof is enough. So faith matters because it’s the doorway. Not the finish line. It’s the willingness to step toward Christ before you can see the whole road.

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Kenneth Johnson
Kenneth Johnson@kjohnsonrn·
@Bar_tolmi You’ve read the BOM multiple times, and you don’t know why there’s not tens of thousands of ancient manuscripts?
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