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@shinylight887 @Rosomane1900 @MoresJustus So if they believe, as is publicly known, that they're acting out of grave necessity, why wouldn't Canon 1323 apply to them, exempting them from excommunication? They don't have to be right, but simply genuinely believe it.

@Rosomane1900 @Alison937362 @MoresJustus Their "interior workings" are not relevant. Knowing what is publicly known is enough to determine that excommunication is a just and reasonable penalty for consecrating bishops.

I do wonder if all these cheerleaders for excommunication have ever actually been to an SSPX chapel. Once you've heard these men preach or offered them your confession, the issue seems a lot less black and white. "The sheep follow him, because they know his voice."

@shinylight887 @MoresJustus @CullumSmith Well, you've just made assertions here without any basis or explanation, plus you've noted "If the reason is...". If you don't know their actual reasons (there are plural) how are you making informed judgements?

@Alison937362 @MoresJustus @CullumSmith If the reason given for the consecrations is that the NO endangers souls, it is not at legalistic to excommunicate them. That is a seriously wrong belief that is not compatible with being in communion with the Church.

@shinylight887 @Hildifons159911 @CullumSmith youtu.be/Rpuf-2RObpg?si…

@Alison937362 @Hildifons159911 @CullumSmith People who think this about the NO don't just have a schismatic attitude. It is also arguably heresy, since it effectively denies the indefectibility of the Church, saying the Church made a Mass that endangers souls. How is a person who thinks that in communion with the Church?

@NelwynToes @FSSPXFR Where one is positioned, how many parishioners one has, etc, has zero bearing on whether they're speaking truth. Truth is still truth even if only one person holds to it. You must be able to read souls globally to know what all serious Catholics thinks. Another John Vianney!

@FSSPXFR Schneider is an auxiliary bishop in Kazhstan in a diocese with 30,000 Catholics. He is chomping at the bit to join the SSPX but knows he would lose his support and cushy public speaking gigs in the actual Church. Serious Catholics ignore him.

Depuis l’annonce des sacres qui auront lieu à Écône le 1er juillet 2026, Mgr Athanasius Schneider, évêque auxiliaire d’Astana au Kazakhstan, s’est signalé par plusieurs prises de position en faveur de la Fraternité Saint-Pie X. De nouveau, fin mars, il a déploré les attaques dont l’œuvre de Mgr Marcel Lefebvre fait l’objet de la part de communautés ex-Ecclesia Dei. Il a déclaré que cette attitude malveillante lui rappelait la « situation que saint Basile le Grand décrit – au IVe siècle, lors de la crise arienne – comme un combat naval de nuit, dans le brouillard, où au lieu d’attaquer les navires ennemis, les bons en viennent à s’attaquer entre eux ». Et d’ajouter : « Je considère que notre situation est la même. Pourquoi la Fraternité Saint-Pierre ou d’autres devraient-elles attaquer publiquement la Fraternité Saint-Pie X, la menacer, la qualifier de schismatique ? » Selon lui, les communautés ex-Ecclesia Dei devraient plutôt demander au pape d’accorder le mandat apostolique pour ces sacres épiscopaux, « mais au lieu de cela, elles attaquent. Et elles risquent d’entrer dans l’histoire comme saint Basile décrivait ceux qui, en pleine crise, attaquaient leurs propres frères. » Le prélat partage le constat de la Fraternité Saint-Pie X sur l’état de nécessité dans l’Église. Il affirme ainsi, sans détours : « Nous assistons à une situation presque apocalyptique : propagation d’hérésies, légitimation de comportements contraires à la loi naturelle, syncrétisme religieux, indifférentisme, atteintes à la discipline sacramentelle et au célibat sacerdotal, sacrilèges et perte de la foi. Et cela, parfois, avec l’implication de membres du clergé à un niveau hiérarchique élevé. » Dans cette situation dramatique, il voit à juste titre un péril pour la loi suprême qui régit l’Église : le salut des âmes, salus animarum suprema lex. Et il considère que les consécrations prévues ont pour but le bien de l’Église et des âmes. Les communautés ex-Ecclesia Dei minimisent cet état de nécessité ou le taisent, préférant dénigrer la Fraternité Saint-Pie X et condamner les sacres. Mais ces communautés sont loin d’être à l’unisson, car l’état de nécessité s’est aggravé depuis les sacres de 1988. Certains de leurs membres et de leurs fidèles – victimes des ukases épiscopaux à la suite de Traditionis custodes – ne sont guère convaincus par ce quiétisme ou ce mutisme. Ils subissent, sur le terrain, l’état de précarité où les maintient l’arbitraire de nombreux évêques. En sorte que la bataille navale de nuit et dans le brouillard, décrite par saint Basile, ne touche pas que la Fraternité Saint-Pie X, elle atteint aussi les membres et fidèles des communautés ex-Ecclesia Dei qui refusent d’être des béni-oui-oui face à ces prélats qui les crossent avec une paternité féroce. Lorsque le jour se lèvera et que le brouillard se dissipera, on verra des dégâts fratricides… là où on ne les attendait pas. fsspx.news/fr/news/peut-i…

@shinylight887 @MoresJustus @CullumSmith Yet Bishop Schneider, who was tasked as an Apostolic Nuncio to the SSPX, and researched their case thoroughly, believes this is an erring legalists take. Laws can be weaponised, and modernists are often the ones involved in "applying Canon law". youtu.be/S8_Sq0vnaJY?si…

@MoresJustus @CullumSmith Not really. Consecrating bishops without papal permission is objectively a schismatic act and the penalty is excommunication. Regardless of any positive experiences that I have personally had with the SSPX.

@shinylight887 @Hildifons159911 @CullumSmith Not a schismatic view if the NO does endanger the soul. It changed the focus of the heart and soul of the Mass (priest, victim, sacrifice - the OFFERTORY prayer is now a Jewish grace before meals prayer) with the intention to appeal to Protestants. drive.google.com/file/d/15r2s9g…

@Hildifons159911 @CullumSmith I don't deal with it because I am not the one in charge of applying Canon Law. I was taught by SSPX that it is a sin to attend the NO because it endangers souls. That is a fundamentally schismatic view and the consecrations follow from it. Excommunication is clearly justified.

St Joseph the Worker, pray for us

@Kel_I @RealCandaceO She didn't say he's a trusted source at all. She simply made a statement of what Mikey said. Use logic. If Mikey is not to be trusted, then Andrew should start to realise there's phonies about him who will turn on him. If Mikey is to be trusted, do we have a problem with Andrew?

But but but I thought you said Mikey was a weirdo who made weird calls when it happened? Now all of a sudden he's a trusted source? And what about the Egyptian Planes? And what about the French military? And what about the Jooooz? And what about the meeting at Fort? And what about the Ukranian military men? And what about erika trafficking ppl? And .... and... girl, you're so lost at this point in your different flavor of horse manure even you can't keep up.

Turning Point USA decided to level up on their attacks against me. So we decided to level up by sharing more truth. Am I lying, Erika? Justin Streiff? Did I not offer you this information in December and guard it from the public? And there’s more…

@JennifferJude @RealCandaceO I'm so sorry to hear that's what you were told, it's completely wrong. You can be confirmed at any age. Ask at another parish, ideally one that exclusively celebrates the TLM.

I’m so very happy for you Candace. I’m jealous actually, I didn’t get to make my confirmation when I was supposed to and when I finally went back to the church the priest there told me the Catholic Church no longer gave confirmation to those who missed it. He ignored my request. So I’m glad to see you shining so brightly in the light of our Lord Jesus Christ. God Bless you and your family, Always, and in all ways.

“The sacrament of Baptism makes us sons and daughters of the Father in Christ Jesus. Confimation makes us witnesses and transmitters of this new life within us to witness to Christ and bring truth to our neighbour. This will involve a personal and public struggle between the mystery of salvation and the mystery of iniquity—a spiritual combat against the forces of evil. Like soldiers, we enter into the combat of Christ and with Christ, assisted by the grace of the sacrament of Confirmation…” ✝️

@FaithandFooty_ @EMichaelJones1 Or they genuinely believe Canon 1323, 4 and others that indicate an excommunication is invalid if one is acting out of grave fear, state of necessity, etc. You "forgot" the one option they talk about constantly. You may not think it's right, but they clearly believe this.

@EMichaelJones1 It's very unsettling to see someone who claims to believe in the doctrine of the Church smiling as they talk about excommunication and ending with 'well, whatever'. Either they don't know what it means, they don't really believe in the authority of the Pope or much worse

We're grateful that Bishop Fellay warned the members of the SSPX that they'll probably be excommunicated after the July 1 consecrations. It's time for his followers to leave the SSPX and rejoin the Catholic Church, because they will be risking eternal damnation if they don't. Fellay's warning shows that he accepts the authority of Rome to excommunicate. If that's the case, why doesn't Fellay accept the pope's authority without reservation and call off the consecrations?

@jjbauer15 @TJMosser1 @CullumSmith What are your thoughts regarding this similar sort of scenario in the days of St Athanasius?

@TJMosser1 @CullumSmith Is it still the Church if it's missing one of it's constitutive elements? Of course not. A perfectly, 100% orthodox priest outside of any governance of the Church would not be justified in doing so, and the SSPX would agree with this in principle

Dr. Kwasniewski is correct. At some point, the SSPX (and similar groups) must be re-integrated into the normal structures of the Church, and this seems increasingly hopeless as time goes on. However... The first mark of the Church — her Oneness — is threefold: manifested in her Unity of Faith, Sacraments, and Governance. The SSPX contends that Vatican 2 introduced errors contrary to the faith, and sacraments that, while valid, do not fully express the Catholic religion. This confusion, they claim, is not the result of a misguided "spirit" of Vatican 2, but of magisterial orientations that have been "received, developed, and applied for sixty years by successive popes" through documents like Amoris Laetitia and Traditionis Custodes. For Rome's part, they have not done much to dispel this claim in recent years. In short, the Lefebrvrists are holding out for the Unity of Faith before they worry about the details of Governance. In contrast, we have the Ecclesia Dei groups. Now, the Ecclesia Dei Commission does not actually exist anymore, but the name seems to have stuck. These are the diocesan TLMs, the FSSP, the ICKSP — the "full communion" clergy and faithful whom I affectionately call the dio-trads. Virtually none of these folks give real assent to developments like Traditionis Custodes, Amoris Laetitia, or Mater Populi Fidelis. They typically avoid the Novus Ordo at all costs, but do so under the guise of sincere liturgical attachments or a desire for greater reverence. Unfortunately, the price of Full Communion™ is their silence (at least in the public forum) on the obvious cause of all the doctrinal confusion which has rocked the Church since the 1960s. Don't get me wrong — I know many holy priests who do heroic work within the diocesan structures — but there are certain topics they simply cannot touch from the pulpit if they want to continue shepherding their flocks. In order to secure the ability to operate "behind enemy lines," we might say the dio-trads have instead prioritized Unity of Governance over Unity of Faith. Finally, there is on last manifestation of the Church's Oneness which I have not touched on: the Unity of Sacraments. It seems to me that BOTH camps have reduced this mark to a paltry "Well, the Novus Ordo sacraments are valid." Whether you come right out and say the New Mass is harmful (as the SSPX does) or just silently rearrange your entire sacramental life to avoid it (like the dio-trads), your actions pretty much tell the same story. In conclusion, it's just not obvious to me that the dio-trad strategy is any superior to that of the Lefebvrists. Post-TC, the tradeoffs of each are now painfully obvious, and the stage is set. We can now only watch and pray: "And now, therefore, I say to you, refrain from these men, and let them alone; for if this council or this work be of men, it will come to nought; But if it be of God, you cannot overthrow it, lest perhaps you be found even to fight against God."

@BackwardsFeet It's also not just about the NO. Go read Quanta Cura and Mortalium Animos, etc. newhamburg.sspx.ca/en/what-positi… Even a simple google into key influencers of VII like Yves Congar, Henri de Lubac, Karl Rahner, Hans Kung is telling. More points of interest. sspxasia.com/Documents/Arch…

@BackwardsFeet It's worth listening to a more detailed break down before deciding "heresy", which is exactly what the SSPX seeks to prevent. drive.google.com/file/d/15r2s9g…

I think this might actually be heretical because the sacraments are, of course, ex opere operato, and as such the participation in the Eucharist even at the clowniest polka Mass still has the capability to be spiritually enriching

@CatholicPebble You have to distinguish between the excellence of the sacraments and the TLM Mass, and the free will of mankind in making proper use of these gifts. It's the story of the Israelites all over. God was with them in the desert, but they still made a golden calf to worship.

As someone who thinks the TLM is vastly superior to NO, and who would wish nothing more than for the TLM to become the ordinary rite again, I have a question that bothers me: Why didn't the widespread TLM and reverence prevent the so-called V2 spirit and heterodoxy? And if it didn't, why do we think the widespread use of the TLM now would be able to solve the current apostasy?

@JesusIsLord0405 @LowStudies Do not lose your faith on account of those like Judas in the church. Pray and fast. Reading "Open Letter to Confused Catholics" might help, it's still relevant. The grass might look greener, but Orthodoxy is not going to solve your problems. m.youtube.com/watch?v=_35whx…

@LowStudies Appreciate your invitation

Ngl I’m struggling bad with the Faith atm Please pray for me The state of the Catholic Church in Germany is slowly killing my faith. Idk how I’m supposed to survive this. Also, I started to doubt the Magisterium on multiple issues, including some core teachings of Catholicism. I’m scared rn

@WalkingHymnal @theoscholastica Any offers made were on the condition the SSPX would no longer speak of the problems with VII. See SSPX's position below. They're not going to pretend the problems they see affecting the church today don't exist, simply to get their reputation sorted. newhamburg.sspx.ca/en/what-positi…

@theoscholastica You were offered a fully regularized canonical institute. Confirmations, ordinations, all would've been taken care of. But you refused because you want to be your own authority.

Word has begun making the rounds that the Vatican is preparing for the scenario of the possibility of the excommunication of the entire SSPX due to schism. Not just the bishops: but the entire organization. And the SSPX have no one to blame but themselves if this happens.

@Thomasmarkelly @DrKwasniewski Yes, let's cut the BS. The NO distorts the focus on priest, victim and sacrifice, the heart and soul of the Mass. You say the FSSP is right not to condemn the NO, even while you suggest changes to the NO. (FSSP priests have refused to concelebrate the NO) drive.google.com/file/d/15r2s9g…

Let's cut the bs shall we! ? The problem is this: the SSPX condemns the new mass . The fssp does not. I suggest Everyone in SSPX should just join fssp. Either that or get rid of the hardliners that condemn the new mass. The old mass is perfect in some ways but clearly using the private low mass of catechumens all the time is less than ideal. The new mass is also just in some ways a shortened high mass. Things are omitted. Omissions don't mean there are outright errors. Same for V2. Some things are emphasized or omitted to fix a pastoral problem. Especially "Vatican II (religious liberty, ecumenism, collegiality)" omission is not error, and Trent is still force. I suggest this: Teach the Roman catechism. And Just say the new mass with the 1st EP, ad orientam as the priest does in my parish. The straw man excuse that because this is a "crisis" or "salvation of souls" Trumps Canon law is a slippery logical fallacy . The real problem IMHO is massive birth control and sexual desire motivating almost everything. Old Latin mass won't magically fix that for all catholics. C'mon man. Or go to fssp.

What an absolutely remarkable new interview with Don Davide Pagliarani. I was going to quote highlights but then realized that I'd be quoting a few thousand words. Just read the whole thing. fsspx.news/en/news/who-te…

@CesarzPontu @PaulinusOfTrier If a Pope tomorrow said gay marriage was ok, he'd be breaking with Tradition and sinning gravely. Rome doesn't get to make up Tradition and new beliefs. I'd recommend you seek to better understand what Tradition actually is and then to read the documents I sent you.

@Alison937362 @PaulinusOfTrier What line against traditon? Obeying Rome is the traditon

Traditionis custodes was a breach of trust. Even if there were a revival of Summorum Pontificum there would be no guarantee that there would not be another Traditiones Custodes after that. This is why it is unrealistic to expect the SSPX to rely on the Holy See to lend them bishops.

@PopePiusXIIStan No. They're quite clear. If it was my "friend" I was "helping" I'd want an answer from the source, not from a random crowd. fsspx.news/en/news/who-te…

The SSPX says they are performing episcopal consecrations to preserve tradition and save souls. So, are they saying the other Catholic bishops and priests can't do that? Asking for a friend.