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@Tradalachian @christopherrufo @MHTSeminary No, Mgr. Fenton would rebuke the Church for teaching that non-Catholics of good will "can" (not "will") be saved. Bishop Barron is only echoing the Church.
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Barron has reduced the dogma that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church to utter meaninglessness, as Pope Pius XII warned and lamented 68 years ago: "Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation" (Encyclical Humani Generis, n. 27).
Were the great Mgr. Joseph C. Fenton still alive, he would rebuke Barron for trying toย "restrict the meaning of the Church's necessity for salvation to the fact that the gifts of grace whereby a man actually achieves salvation really belong to the Church" (The Catholic Church and Salvation, Imprimatur 1958).
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Barron's thesis runs afoul of the following two errors condemned by Pope Pius IX:
[CONDEMNED:]ย Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation.
[CONDEMNED:]ย Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ.
โPope Pius IX, Syllabus of Errors, nn. 16-17.
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@megha_lilly @SarcasmStardust False dialectic. Modern Neoliberalism comes from Christianity, we never had this degeneracy and chaos in Ancient Rome
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@Tradalachian @christopherrufo @MHTSeminary In that interview, he followed up the statement by an explanation of what he meant: that someone outside the explicit Christian faith can be saved but through the grace of Christ indirectly received.
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@christopherrufo Bishop Donald J. Sanborn of @MHTSeminary covers the infamous Barron/Shapiro interview in which Barron erroneously refers to Christ as a "privileged route" of salvation. Learn the real Catholic position: youtu.be/CLpug8We_hs?siโฆ

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@breeadail @aimeenjack @RealCandaceO I don't see how this supports your claim that a baptized adult convert is not Catholic until Confirmation.
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CCC ยง1285 (continued)
โFor โby the sacrament of Confirmation, [the baptized] are more perfectly bound to the Church and are enriched with a special strength of the Holy Spiritโฆโโ
CCC ยง1306
โEvery baptized person not yet confirmed can and should receive the sacrament of Confirmation.โ
CCC ยง1308
โAlthough Confirmation is sometimes called the โsacrament of Christian maturity,โ we must not confuse adult faith with the adult age of natural growthโฆ Baptismal grace is a grace of free, unmerited election and does not need โratificationโ to become effective.โ
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I have questions.
An adult neophyte, in the Roman Catholic Church, you are accepted as into the Church with ALL the Sacraments: Baptism (if youโve not been validly Baptized), Confession, First Communion AND Confirmation at the same time.
@RealCandaceO has just said she has not been Confirmed, and will be after Easter.
Ergoโฆall this time, Candace has been speaking, representing herself โas a Catholicโ, she has NOT been a Catholic.
Intention to convert (Order of Christian Initiation) is not the same thing as BEING a Catholic.
Honestly, I am shocked that @LondonOrat has remained silent.
That her Bishop, @DioceseNashville has not addressed this.
@michaeljknowles, did you know this?
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@aimeenjack @RealCandaceO Heโs her close friend, and I asked him if he knew this, as she continued to claim she was Catholic.
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@ContextFootie @Oluchiisxn That's not true.
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@DefiantLs Um, why not get the 3 year old from the window ledge they're hanging onto? Seems like it would be a lot easier and safer to pull them up by their arms.
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@ThomasDierson @Fitz_Farseer @HoldenCCole @GouveaKame @sola_chad Which sect was excommunicated, and by whom?
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@ChiefValerian @Fitz_Farseer @HoldenCCole @GouveaKame @sola_chad There were 2 different groups (3 if you want to split hairs).
1. Orthodox Trinitarians
2. Arians
3. Semi-Arians (moderate subgroup of #2)
(Arians & Semi-Arians together made up less than 1/3 of the Council)
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Exactly zero apostles prayed to Mary.
๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ โฑ๐ป๐ฆ@BillArnoldTeach
Protestants trace beliefs to reformers. Catholics trace them to apostles.
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@Fitz_Farseer @HoldenCCole @GouveaKame @sola_chad How many religious sects were there at the Council of Nicaea?
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@ChiefValerian @HoldenCCole @GouveaKame @sola_chad The answer to who excommunicates would be based upon the organizational rules of whatever religion sect the argument is taking place in.
I also find it very sad that you donโt think knowledge from God constitutes true knowledge. How lacking your relationship with God must beโฆ
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@Balderdash543 @KaeleyT @onegospel2021 So the anti's were too busy to escape their oppression, right?
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@ChiefValerian @KaeleyT @onegospel2021 Also that poll proves nothing other than busy moms didn't care about a school board poll. Men have lower voter turnout than women. Does that mean men don't want the right to vote at all?
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Never underestimate the ability of the worst people on planet earth to catapult themselves to crazy influence.
The Wilsons are not righteous people, and they wouldnโt know the truth if it hit them upside the head with a 2x4.
Feminism emerged in America because desperate women were locked into abusive marriages to alcoholic men dealing with trauma from the war.
Marxism had very little to do with it.

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@Balderdash543 @KaeleyT @onegospel2021 Many anti-suffragists such as Catharine Beecher (sister of Harriet Beecher Stowe, author of Uncle Tom's Cabin), Almira Lincoln Phelps & others strongly supported abolition. So anti-suffragists weren't a monolithic group of "wealthy women who just didn't want poor people to vote."
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@ChiefValerian @KaeleyT @onegospel2021 The anti-suffragists also opposed abolition. They were wealthy women who just didn't want poor people to vote because they could exercise power through their husbands
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@deaidras @TGrudi @MassimoFaggioli You're not familiar with his works if you think he has expressed any views that's contrary to Catholic Social Teaching.

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@TGrudi @MassimoFaggioli He truly needs to be defrocked. He preaches a false interpretation of our faith that denies Catholic Social Teaching and defies the guidance of the Magesterium.
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Despite the fact that St. Pat was enslaved and taken to another country, Barron thinks that it's a "woke cliche" to highlight the importance his life has for migrants and those who have been human trafficked. And we are to believe he is serious about the Rel liberty of migrants.
Bishop Robert Barron@BishopBarron
Friends, on St. Patrickโs Day, let us honor this extraordinary man whose primary preoccupation was sharing the Christian faith with his people.
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@OTG_Disciple @KaeleyT First wave feminism was largely a product of liberal individualism, not Marxism. Marxism however became more influential in 2nd wave feminism (1960sโ1980s) with the Socialist/Marxist feminism that linked women's oppression to capitalism.
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@KaeleyT I granted you that abusive men were a catalyst to the genesis of feminism. I'm saying it's silly to believe marxist ideology has never co-opted or exacerbated feminism at any point from 'women's suffrage' to, in part, help produce present day 'women can literally be men'.
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@KaeleyT @onegospel2021 Massachusetts was home to leading suffrage advocates, and it was also one of the first states with an organized anti-suffrage group.

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@CaptainGrant144 @BreeSolstad @David_wthebeard "they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, IN THE CHURCH OF ROME under the episcopate of the blessed [POPE] ELEUTHERIUS, until on account of their ever restless curiosity... they were more than once expelled" - Tertullian (Prescription Against Heretics)


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Cโmon Bree ๐
Youโre confounding Roman Catholicism and the Greek adjective โCatholicโ that means universal.
If your point was true the RC Church would not recognise EO sacraments as valid.
At the time of Saint Patrick there was neither RCs nor EOs but one Catholic and Apostolic Church.
May we have Saint Patrickโs blessing ๐
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@Fitz_Farseer @HoldenCCole @GouveaKame @sola_chad That's not knowledge, that's just believing you are correct without any form of guarantee. So basically you have nothing to appeal to beside your subjectivity in order to say that they are objectively wrong. You tell them they're wrong, they say you're wrong. Who excommunicates?
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@ChiefValerian @HoldenCCole @GouveaKame @sola_chad I pray about it and trust God to lead me right. If your heart is where it should be then He will do just that.
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@Fitz_Farseer @HoldenCCole @GouveaKame @sola_chad But how would you know if they were appealing to the same Bible and Holy Spirit, just like you're doing, to say that their understanding/interpretation is the correct one and yours is incorrect?
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@ChiefValerian @HoldenCCole @GouveaKame @sola_chad Are you saying Iโm wrong? I would argue if they were teaching heresies then something was wrong with their heart and their search for God. A diligent search for God will reveal His truths. See: Jeremiah 33:3
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@ChiefValerian @HoldenCCole @GouveaKame @sola_chad Iโm sure they would. It is my experience that if you set to your life around God and diligently seek after Him, He will help you to discern these truths, and guide you away from those who would lead you astray.
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