Gonzalo Cornejo

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Gonzalo Cornejo

Gonzalo Cornejo

@GornejoG

Edmonton, Canada Katılım Ağustos 2008
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The Eggman
The Eggman@TheCartoonLoon·
So you see the "don't flood button" and you still decide not to press it? Like sure I understand if you see a bunch of people not pressing it aswell but you have to understand that in this scenario the don't flood the river button is literally the smartest choice.
Bernd@Bernd35443445

@TheCartoonLoon At the cost of not getting a life west. While I can see a huge line of people voting to flood it and getting their life west. Only one option guarantees I survive.

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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@xaqairy @miss_fjord humanity has survived this long because of people who fought AND people who ran. No shame in running, the universe is not kind enough to give you the odds before deciding.
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Wesley
Wesley@xaqairy·
@miss_fjord Am I the baddie? Like, I *want* to press blue. But I don't trust others enough to not be selfish. p_q
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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@ShooterForSeth @CstmrSrvcNYEYH @Bernd35443445 @TheCartoonLoon unfortunately that is not how probability works in life situations. pick 1 million people and make them flip a coin, remove all tails from the group and repeat until only 1 person remains; that one got ~ 20 times head in a row.. in a coin toss, very unlikely, but happens
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Ryan
Ryan@ShooterForSeth·
@CstmrSrvcNYEYH @Bernd35443445 @GornejoG @TheCartoonLoon Close to impossible is the best way to put it. You're right that the odds of breaking a tie within the first 3 votes is high. But chances are you won't be in the first 3 votes, or even the first 3 billion. It's nearly impossible that your vote will be breaking a tie.
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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@JustSumACDude @dont_get_angwy @Jarv114 No disagreement, blue voters are indeed risking their lives. However, they only die if red gets the majority. The red button is the only choice that can result in deaths, that is what I mean by pulling the trigger. Pushing red is contributing to reaching the threshold.
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Kyle
Kyle@JustSumACDude·
@GornejoG @dont_get_angwy @Jarv114 Red, in no way, is “pulling the trigger” or the reason anyone dies. You strip any and all agency from the blue voters choice to risk their own lives. There’s first blue vote, using your logic, would be the one pulling the trigger in the event blue gets below 50%
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Erythros
Erythros@Erythros473·
@GornejoG @NoPoliSolutions @TabulaStellar @MostlyMonkey Well yes, it can be framed both ways. When pushing red becomes the active choice that kills people, less people tend to push red, when blue is framed as a suicidal self-inflicted gamble, less people choose blue. Still, what do you think the outcome would realistically be?
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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@PromptNoJutsu @genuinelybocchi @SphinxSatvrn what outcome do you want then? say you press red, would you actually feel relieved if blue wins ? or sad if blue loses? would you think "those stupid deserved it" ? because if the majority press blue everyone lives - the only condition of for less people to press blue
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Prompt
Prompt@PromptNoJutsu·
Question for 🔵 Blue voters: Let's explore a Red-Blue button Tim Urban-style hypothetical scenario where you're the only person who voted for blue and the rest of the world voted red. If your goal was for humanity to survive and everyone but you did — are you happier that humanity survived or sadder that you died?
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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@ketsuko243 @Intrinsic29 the first person to intervene will likely get hurt or die. and that is a way more difficult position to be. In terms of confidence, strength, courage, and understanding what is happening.
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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@ketsuko243 @Intrinsic29 waay more context and complexity than this case, but realistic. however, is not that case famous because of that same fact? maybe cases where people are actually saved by bystander intervention do not reach the media. also there is a huge caveat
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Kevin
Kevin@Intrinsic29·
Despite several days of blue/red button discourse, I haven't seen a single decent argument for why anyone should believe blue would actually win in reality. It's all just personal attacks against red-choosers.
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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@PromptNoJutsu @genuinelybocchi @SphinxSatvrn its the contrary. Its red that doesn't recognize that its the only option that leads to at least 1 person dying. noone dies unless red wins. or do you actually believe 100% without any coordination would vote red?
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Prompt@PromptNoJutsu·
False framing. Voting red doesn't increase other's risk — you could technically abstain and still wouldn't suffer from red voting. Voting blue increases your risk because you might fail. I swear, it's like bluecels are allergic to personal responsibility for their own actions by dressing it up with muh virtue.
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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@Intrinsic29 There is no reason to vote blue unless you don't want to feel responsible for the blue people dying. because you are, the risk someone dying only increases with red increasing, you voted red, you increased the risk. significantly? not, but absolutely you did. red will never be100
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Kevin
Kevin@Intrinsic29·
@GornejoG It would take an incredible amount of "trust" expect almost 4 billion people to bet their lives on blue winning knowing that their vote is incredibly unlikely to decide the outcome. Hell, even if they think blue is likely to win, they probably won't select it for the same reason.
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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@aemills3 @softcorgamegirl as a final statement I can add, there is no an actual evil here, just beliefs and possibly some ancestral instincts. we have survived this long because we have both sides. people who run, and people who fight. The universe is not so kind to tell you the possible outcome
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ctrlaltdefi.algo
ctrlaltdefi.algo@aemills3·
@GornejoG @softcorgamegirl The only thing that triggers the death spiral is blue being pressed under the assumption someone else will press blue. Red does nothing. I'm not here to debate that, just pointing out the argument red is greedy is a self righteous one, their are many motives for either button.
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Bronwyn
Bronwyn@softcorgamegirl·
I will say it because it’s all over my feed anyway. Is the red button the logical choice? absolutely sure. However most blue pushers know that there are very kind hearted but not logical people in the world and I personally don’t think that’s a reason for them to die. I would push blue quite honestly I am afraid to live in a world without those people and the people with the empathy to try and save them.
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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@digitalN0mad49 @aemills3 @softcorgamegirl do you actually believe everyone is pressing red without any coordination? that's huge faith in humanity. Aside from that, the guillotine does not fall if blue is the majority. only if less than 50%, it could it be "1 idiot" but still is 1.
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Wandering Wizard
Wandering Wizard@digitalN0mad49·
@GornejoG @aemills3 @softcorgamegirl No. The calculation for death never runs until blue is pressed. Even if everyone presses blue, the calculation occurs. It doesn’t even run if everyone presses red
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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@Intrinsic29 again with the belief of what people would actually do. Of course there is no chance of someone that does not trust humanity of pressing blue, that doesn't make you a bad person, just no faith in humanity left... Unless you don't actually want blue to success
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Kevin
Kevin@Intrinsic29·
@GornejoG x.com/Intrinsic29/st…
Kevin@Intrinsic29

@dylanhendricks Low/no-stakes polls don't even come remotely close to testing it. For blue to win, close to 4 billion people would have to risk their life to press blue knowing that their individual vote has a *much* lower chance of changing the outcome than the chance of jackpotting the lottery

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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@Intrinsic29 and there it is, why do they believe blue will not win (it actually did in the original poll btw), because of distrust. they are less likely to put their life in hands of others.
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Kevin
Kevin@Intrinsic29·
@GornejoG The clear majority of people would choose red because they believe blue has a very low chance of winning and they would realize that the odds of their individual vote actually changing the outcome are incredibly low (*much* lower than those of jackpotting the lottery).
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Gonzalo Cornejo
Gonzalo Cornejo@GornejoG·
@aemills3 @softcorgamegirl its a valid choice. If you believe people prefer to save their own skin red is your only option and it would be very difficult to change that. it's just survival instinct. Fight or run, is the same.. if numbers are high you might win, if not you are better running.
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@Bernd35443445 @ShooterForSeth @CstmrSrvcNYEYH @TheCartoonLoon @xaqairy @miss_fjord @JustSumACDude @dont_get_angwy