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@TheJesuite

A Disciple of Jesus Christ | Apostolic Christian | Interested in Biblical studies, Historical Jesus, Early Christianity, and Islamic Criticism.

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Then , can you explain how could Jesus' admirers turn him into something like the Elect One in 1 Enoch soon after Easter, without his help ?
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In most of references, Israelites are the referent (cf. 1:16, 1:28, 3:18, 3:20, 15:7, 17:15, 17:20, 18:2, 23:20, 24:7, 24:24). In Deut. 17, when the instructions concerning a "king" for Israelites is provided, the term is again used, with reference to Israelites themselves.
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Muslims still use "מִקִּרְבְּךָ֤ מֵאַחֶ֙יךָ֙" to make it refer to Ishmaelites? The text is evident, on it's own. The term "your brethren" has only two - two - referents in the Book of Deuteronomy: Edomites, and Israelites themselves.
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Judges 5:4-5 clearly explicates what Deut. 33:2 means. “YHWH, when you went out from Seir, when you marched from the field of Edom, the earth trembled and the heavens poured..” So, YHWH manifests in Sinai, dawning from Edom / Seir, from Paran, i.e. Sinai itself, because see:
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Dye ("Mapping the Sources of the Qur'anic Jesus"), and Sinai ("The Islamic Jesus", pg. 152).
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The connection has been criticized by Griffith ("Al-Naṣārā in the Qurʾān: A hermeneutical reflection"), Shoemaker ("Jewish Christianity, Non-Trinitarianism and the Beginnings of Islam"), Reynolds ("On the Qur'an and Christian heresies"), —
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Mimesis doesn't mean plagiarism !
Inviting Theology@invitingtheolog

Jesus Walks... but Did He Sail Like Odysseus Too? Dennis R. MacDonald, in Mythologizing Jesus: From Jewish Teacher to Epic Hero, drops a bombshell for Christians who like their Bible stories pure and untainted: the Gospel of Mark might just be a creative remix of Homer’s Odyssey. Yes, Jesus and Odysseus may have more in common than you’re comfortable admitting. Let’s review the evidence because, apparently, divine inspiration and Greek epic poetry go hand in hand: 1. The Feeding Miracles or Homeric Catering Services? Homer: Nestor hosts 4,500 men, they sit in groups, food is handed out, everyone eats their fill. Mark: Jesus feeds 5,000 men, they sit in groups, food is handed out, everyone eats their fill. But wait—there’s a second feeding story in Mark, and guess what? It borrows from Menelaus’ feast. Creative repetition or just lazy plagiarism? 2. Exorcisms or Greek Mythology on Replay? Homer: Odysseus meets a savage, cave-dwelling Cyclops, tricks him into revealing his name (“Nobody”), and subdues him. Mark: Jesus meets a savage, cave-dwelling demoniac, asks his name (“Legion”), and subdues him. Odysseus uses violence, Jesus uses words—but hey, both involve swine and water. Is this theological innovation or just Homeric fan fiction? 3. Storm Taming: Jesus vs. Odysseus: Odysseus: Survives a storm after dealing with Polyphemus. Jesus: Calms a storm before meeting the demoniac. Same setup, reversed order. Did Mark at least try to disguise the Homeric blueprint? MacDonald’s work leaves us with some uncomfortable questions: If Mark was truly inspired by God, why does his Gospel read like a Homeric parody? Did Jesus actually perform miracles, or did Mark just think, "Let’s give Jesus some Odyssean flair"? And, Christians, how do you reconcile this? Is your Savior a historical figure or a literary composite of Jewish tradition and Greek epic? Here’s the kicker: Byzantine poets noticed these parallels centuries ago, so why are modern Christians so reluctant to admit it? Is this about faith, or is it about avoiding some very awkward questions about your holy book? The next time you hear a sermon on Jesus feeding the thousands, remember: Nestor and Menelaus did it first. #foodforthought #JesusAndHomer #MarkOrMyth #DennisMacDonald Take a look at our website: invitingtheology.com

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David George@hypatiusbrontes·
Virgin Mary in the Psalms (according to Luke) 🧵
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@invitingtheolog Doesn't the empty tomb narratives in mark already presuppose the resurrection?
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chonkshonk@chonkshonk1·
DEBUNKING "GABRIEL REYNOLDS PSEUDO SCHOLARSHIP EXPOSED PART 7" by Muslim apologist @Deenresponds According to a recent thread by Deenresponds ( x.com/Deenresponds/s… ), Deen argues that Gabriel Said Reynolds does not understand what a "kitāb" is in the Quran, especially in the context of the revelation of the injīl (Gospel) to Jesus. Deen assures us that Reynolds believes, in the Quranic view, that God sent Jesus a physical written book called the "Gospel". In reality, the kitāb Jesus receives is not a physical book, but a form of celestial divine revelation. Deen doesn't explain why this mistake is tantamount to "pseudo-scholarship" but let's set this major glib aside for a moment. So, where does Reynolds make this mistake? Apparently, in this tweet: x.com/GabrielSaidR/s… The attentive reader will have already noticed that Deen doesnt actually link to Reynolds' tweet. He screenshots it, preventing you from clicking on the screenshots Reynolds included. More on this in a moment. Deen's proof that Reynolds has made this mistake is that he translates "kitāb" into "book". Unfortunately, Deen is either being deceptive or he's incompetent. Reynolds is re-using the word "book" from the way it appears in his screenshots. I KID YOU NOT, Reynolds highlighted/marked the following passage in one of the screenshots he included in his tweet, which you literally cannot see because Deen screenshotted Reynolds' tweet instead of linking it: "The angel Gabriel presented to him as it were a shining mirror, A BOOK, WHICH DESCENDED INTO THE HEART OF JESUS, in which he had knowledge of what God hath done and what God hath said, and what God willeth" There is literally no way to argue yourself out of this. The word "book", in the SPECIFIC part of Reynolds' screenshot that he HIGHLIGHTED, is being used in the sense of a celestial divine revelation. I pointed this out to Deen x.com/chonkshonk1/st… and he just ignored it. Not only that, but if Deen wanted to know what Reynolds actually thinks the word kitāb means, formally, why not ever mention what his peer-reviewed scholarship says about the subject instead of a brief tweet where Reynolds has to simplify and summarize? Another fact I pointed out to Deen, which he completely ignored, is that Reynolds repeatedly translates kitāb as "revelation" in his work, such as in his paper "On the Qurʾanic Accusation of Scriptural Falsification (taḥrīf) and Christian Anti-Jewish Polemic". In this one paper, he translates it as "revelation" (not even "book") three times. And if there is ANY REMAINING DOUBT that Reynolds knows what this word means, here is something he wrote in a book he published SEVEN YEARS AGO, in his commentary on Quran 2:53, in The Quran and the Bible: Text and Commentry, page 44: > 2:53 “The Book” is a translation of al-kitāb. This term indeed means “book” in modern standard Arabic, but in its Qurʾānic context it means “divine revelation” (“written” in heaven but not necessarily a book on earth). I found this reference in under five seconds by just word-searching "kitab" in the PDF of the book. If Deen is interested in fair criticism, he'll delete his thread after seeing this.
Deen@Deenresponds

GABRIEL REYNOLDS PSEUDO SCHOLARSHIP (Part 7) 🧵 “The Injil was sent Down as a Book” @GabrielSaidR

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Isn't the author of Heb arguing that Jesus is the God who builds everything?
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chonkshonk@chonkshonk1·
r/AcademicQuran, a community for discussing Quranic & Islamic studies, is holding an AMA ("Ask Me Anything") event with Professor Juan Cole @jricole . Ask him any questions you may have! He will begin answering them tomorrow. Submit your questions here: reddit.com/r/AcademicQura…
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Ian Cook@IanCook321·
@coelacanthusa @chonkshonk1 @Rurouni_Phoenix Ancient peoples knew that severe burns can cause a loss of sensation. This is actually an everyday experience. From just briefly searching some of the ancient medical texts, I found Aulus Cornelius Celsus writitng about how after burns, flesh can be "dead" and not feel stuff.
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chonkshonk@chonkshonk1·
References to Christian and Jewish written scriptures in the pre-Islamic poets
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Christian prayer is distinguished from pagan practice in the restriction of prayer to the one God, and in the inclusion of Jesus as his unique Son. In Jewish prayer, no revered figure such as Moses functions in prayer in a way that corresponds to Jesus' place in early Christian.
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confused Ape@Marcionux

Since the commandment “You shall not blaspheme” in Exodus 22:28 is translated into Greek as elohim, “gods,” in the LXX, Philo and Josephus interpret the command “You shall not blaspheme” as meaning that Jews should respect the pagan gods of other nations.

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J.R.R. Dodson@jrrdodson·
Coming soon-ish
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