Trixter the Enthusiast

@garykoepnick @travisakers Ok yes I get it now. It makes more sense if it was like 4+4+6+3 to balance it into 10+7. Like this i had no fucking idea ehat they actually meant.

The problem is they are using such an easy example that the process or concept they are trying to teach or test isn’t any easier. 10+7 isn’t easier to do in your head than 8+9 At least use multiple digit numbers. Or do multiplication for numbers like 98 and 23 or something like that where it makes sense

This is stupid. Just add the damn numbers or memorize it. What are we even doing?

@gallomimia @PacoBedejo @travisakers Problem is its not an extra way. If they do it any other way they get failed because its not getting the right results that mater only regurgitating a flawed way to get there.

@PacoBedejo @travisakers See, teaching kids extra ways to figure out a math problem is definitely the way! However, requiring everyone to get good grades using each method, instead of picking the one that suits their learning style is the most retarded thing we could possibly cram into schools.

@code_bcn @OrwellNGoode Even including them, I don't see Blue getting 50%+ in reality. Which just makes the Blue button a suicide button so far as I am concerned.

@OrwellNGoode funny how most people dont realize the problem is mainly if we consider everyone to include child and disabled people. If they will die, then blue is the obvious choice to save them. if they are not participating, then red is the obvious choice

@deqextwt @Dave41605737145 @OrwellNGoode Obligatory: Internet Polls cary no risk for choosing Blue, Noone gets killed if blue lose making the choice to press it have 0 opportunity cost. In an online Poll both Buttons are the same woth "Nothing happen" no mater the result. Its not evidence for if it happened in reality

@Dave41605737145 @OrwellNGoode a) blue never lost b) so you want 50% of newborns to die? c) some people press blue anyway blue minimizes deaths

@Tim_Damasc @OrwellNGoode I mean its a nobrainer to jump off. Your gonna starve to death just standing there for all eternity and that won't help anyone.

@OrwellNGoode same thing but totally different

@KissingGooses @femmethylamine @BattleJeff1 @reset_by_peer I have already posed the question the youngest in our direct family 8 said red simply because they don't want to die. They didn't think hard about it it was just "I can die from blue? I don't want that."

@TrixyTrixter @femmethylamine @BattleJeff1 @reset_by_peer The children too? Awfully confident about something you can’t prove.

Psychopaths be like: “let’s reframe the blue button red button problem into a completely different unrelated scenario that doesn’t make me look like a psychopath.”

@PastafarianZeal @JohnathanDough @palhachi88 @reset_by_peer Blues will pretend not to understand accurate analogies to make discussion impossible.

@TrixyTrixter @JohnathanDough @palhachi88 @reset_by_peer Hey you did it again! Reframed the entire hypothetical instead of engaging with the one presented!

@LCannon1995 @catmomo1498286 @TruckChudmore @reset_by_peer What a cute show of pressing Red. Why only a few dollars? you claim your willing to give your full life for this hypothetical? Invite them into your home, help them get a job and back on their feet don't fake sympathy by doing a for show act.

@TrixyTrixter @catmomo1498286 @TruckChudmore @reset_by_peer I literally gave a "beggar" the couple dollars I had in my pocket earlier today, dude. You can drop the egocentric bias, I do things differently than you. Meanwhile, again, you're only here because people pressed blue for the majority of human existence.

@Mattinthemix @Hntaigana @LordTankArt So Noone then. The blues choose suicide. A person Voting Red is never causes any Blue death, Blues failing to reach their goal causes their own death. If Red was responsible you would be able to point out the dead at the 51% where 49% are still up to vote.

@TrixyTrixter @Hntaigana @LordTankArt Anyone who goes on to choose blue.

Everyone will not just pick blue, btw

@LardofSith @LordTankArt Exactly thats the thing. The wast majority of Reds do not see 50%+1 as realistic when its the one choice that requires one to put their life on the line. Polls pass it marginaly when Blue has no stakes, I do not believe every blue is honest in a Poll.

@TrixyTrixter @LordTankArt Sure, but "way" in my post is doing some heavy lifting. If it were 99% I would almost certainly choose red

@MerrickAnd @jd186696 @_D_dot_ No, As with the carts I won't run around the lot putting away everyone elses carts they left behind.

@TrixyTrixter @jd186696 @_D_dot_ "taking care of your own thing" in this case means screwing over everyone who pushed a different button, yeah right

“We don’t live in a high trust society” >test society >high trust wins >test again >trust wins >test again >trust wins “Well obviously they’re all lying”

@YoubeliveImhere @spiderking232 A poll is not evidence of reality. Pressing Blue in an online poll carries 0 risk. It is very easy to say "I do the selfless thing" when one does not have to ever suffer the potential concequeces. If Blue really was so dominant I would expect upwards to 90-100% Blue in Polls

That is the thing. Many vote red out of fear of not believing blue will reach 50%..But the polls show that blue consistently wins. And it was 70 vs 30% before the tribes were formed online. In my mind, it means most went with the instinct and voted blue before reading the arguments and then changing their mind into a strict stance. And more red they saw, more convinced they became. I also think many would vote blue only if they were convinced blue would win. I also think many would vote red believing blue would win, but ensuring own survival "just in case". I think many red voted would be there because of people fearing "just in case" would extend beyond 50%. But it all hinges on how many you of your loved ones you believe would vote blue.

See, the issue with your graph here is it lies. The blue button doesn't save everyone. Not unless 50% or more people press it. And the red button doesn't kill by default either. It kills no one if enough people pick blue. And it will NEVER kill the person who presses it.

@Bagaget @hunsucker_adam @JarrodCMaloney Most people won't just bet their life on a 50/50. So far as I see 50%+1 is about as likely as 90% in this hypothetical

@TrixyTrixter @hunsucker_adam @JarrodCMaloney 99% is nearly as unlikely as 100% and falls into “people won’t just”.

The problem with the red button

@moonsewage @Operator_AF32 @Gunhildr_pics "Comfortable margin" When there was never any risk it results in a marginal win for blue. Polls are not evidence of true results because preasing Blue in a poll has no risk. To grandstanding blue voters its entirely beneift no mater the result in the end.

@TrixyTrixter @Operator_AF32 @Gunhildr_pics Except it isn't "most of the time". Why are red-voters so clueless about the historical results of these polls? They typically resolve blue, and by a comfortable margin. Blue voters understand that but red voters - self-proclaimed masters of human reasoning - are mystified by it.

I find the red button Blue button discourse amazingly stupid. It's framed as a morality question, when it isn't. Pressing the blue button does not save anyone but cause the dilemma in the first place. There is no person who 'accidentally' pressed the blue button.

@flipseider @0xPBIT Idk I can at least Maybe Buy 50%+1 when everyone votes for a random stranger. The original tho most definitely no chance blue actually wins.

@TrixyTrixter @0xPBIT If you are only concerned about your own self, then sure, voting blue mathematically increases your odds of living by an infinitessimal amout. But realistically, it just dooms someone else at no benefit to you. Because blue isn't getting to 50%+1, regardless of what you do.

This one is really good because red voters will now vote blue to try and maximize their survival and blue voters who argue they “don’t want to be responsible for death of another” should supposedly vote red as to not condemn someone to a losing vote.

@Miaoftheshire @RebelPsych @discordspies You get the best of Both by not voting. Not adding to Blue team, And not surviving with Red.

@TrixyTrixter @RebelPsych @discordspies Everyone started on team not blue or red, you opt into both. You get to chose if you'd rather risk your own life or mass slaughter. That's the question.

This is actually a good analogy and thinking they're pressing this red button is 99% of conservative politics.

@enfatigued @discordspies Person a refuses to vote, Everyone else votes red. Blue is not the Majority so Non reds Die. Person A dies.

@TrixyTrixter @discordspies no you are only marked for death if you engage with blue

@shig23 @Intrinsic29 Your adress is useless. Polls cannot ever be evidence of Blue because of the lack of stakes. Its faulty to an extreme

@TrixyTrixter @Intrinsic29 This is literally the exact same claim I just addressed.

Despite several days of blue/red button discourse, I haven't seen a single decent argument for why anyone should believe blue would actually win in reality. It's all just personal attacks against red-choosers.

@TheJamie @GazeWindward Everyone starts in team "Not Blue" If blue is not majority team "Not Red" Dies. The flood is always coming because not voting is still death, you choose assured safety(Red), Maybe safety(Blue), or Atempted death(Not voting)

@TrixyTrixter @GazeWindward There is no “reality that the flood is always coming” until the red votes, that’s what was always true and that this graphic is articulating more clearly to the people who seem to struggle to get it.

This is mostly just a reversal of the red-blue dunamic from the original. Pressing blue is the flood-maker.

@thescruffykit @EUhobgoblin @GazeWindward Yes if everyone press red everyone lives. In the original tho a minority blue means "Non Red" die. And before anyone places a vote they defacto have to be both "Non Red" and "Non Blue" so accurately the flood is coming from the start, you vote for garanted safety or maybe.

@TrixyTrixter @EUhobgoblin @GazeWindward It doesn’t. If everyone presses red then the river doesnt flood at all. There is nobody to be saved until someone presses blue