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@ikeacola @BreeEsq @AfterTheReset The question is not a "gotcha" it's an attempt to learn more about her moral reasoning. She calls death penalty "murder" so it's fair to question if she considers any forms of homicide to be justified.
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The death penalty is barbaric. She saved a person from state murder. I dgaf how gruesome their crimes were.
That murderers exist is not nearly so haunting as the fact that our notion of justice allows a state to murder its citizens (w/ the approval of a jury of their “peers”)
Poe's Law, Esq: Poe's Lawyer@dyingscribe
I understand doing your job but celebrating this seems odd given what your client did
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@BreeEsq @Cunstitution @AfterTheReset Right, I don’t know why these ppl think that question is a “gotcha” lol
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@ikeacola @Cunstitution @AfterTheReset Yes. Homicide in self defense (or defense of others) is not murder. I never suggested that rule should change.
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@Cunstitution @AfterTheReset @BreeEsq It’s clearly not a good faith question because, like I said before, not all homicides are the same, and he is clearly aware of that too
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@ikeacola @AfterTheReset @BreeEsq In the context of that specific question the difference is arbitrary because they are trying to determine the beliefs of the original poster. In other words, the post is asking if her opposition to State "murders" has exceptions.
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@Cunstitution @AfterTheReset @BreeEsq The person I first replied to literally said that it’s an “arbitrary difference” so yes, that’s exactly the argument that was made
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@ikeacola @AfterTheReset @BreeEsq No and it's silly/sad that you think anyone has made such an argument.
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@Cunstitution @AfterTheReset @BreeEsq Do you genuinely think killing someone who’s already imprisoned as punishment is the same thing as killing someone to defend another person who is imminently in life threatening danger?
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@ikeacola @AfterTheReset @BreeEsq In your example, the police arrest a person and then immediately execute that person without any due process.
In real life, the death penalty only occurs after much due process.
You are retarded.
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@Cunstitution @AfterTheReset @BreeEsq You’re literally agreeing w me that there is a difference between the state killing someone who they already have incarcerated and are not a threat to society and a police officer shooting someone in defense of another. You are so fucking stupid LMAO
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@Cunstitution @AfterTheReset @BreeEsq You’re genuinely getting IQ filtered by what I’m saying. I almost feel bad for you
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A child’s view of the world and of human psychology, completely divorced from any real data that we already have on the question
KölBecki David Jackson Williams de Baron du Crique@DavidJacksonWi2
@bethbourdon Less murder would happen if all murderers knew their sentence was death. You make the world worse and less safe. For that, you shouldn't actually be allowed to live in our nation. You bring negative value to the nation and your community.
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Suicidal empathy is not just some abstract concept.
Clarence Thomas the Tank Engine@TheRealJChubby
@Jojoflex62 @bethbourdon I would want them to walk free.
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@avispartan @DummyOldThing @Neo_Paulinite @Savoyard_Queen The period for dramatic effect… #reactionarychills …
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Criminal defense attorney is one of the most virtuous professions in existence. It is admirable to shoulder the burden of unsavory aspects of the legal system in service to the higher ideal that everyone deserves and is entitled to a vigorous defense.
David Pivtorak@TheDavidPiv
Here's the thing: in *theory* it's good that even the worst of us is entitled to a competent defense lawyer. But the reality is that being good at this job also means being responsible for unleashing irredeemable monsters back into society. And, for a decent person, that inevitably eats away at your soul. So all the decent people go find something else to do. And what you're left with is a profession that's occupied entirely by zealots and ghouls—like this woman who fetishizes violent criminals but couldn't care less about the harm they inflict. These are the antisocial demons who revel in destruction but get to wrap themselves in the Constitution for plausible deniability. My point here isn't that we should end our adversarial system or erode existing rights. It's that we should be clear-eyed about the realities of modern criminal justice and fully understand the tradeoffs that went into creating it.
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@Cunstitution @AfterTheReset @BreeEsq No, you’re just a fucking idiot who didn’t get what I’m saying. Legally, not all homicides are the same. The original hypothetical would be akin to “defense of another.” The death penalty, when someone is already confined, would be more equivalent to premeditated murder
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@ikeacola @AfterTheReset @BreeEsq "what if the police did a violent crime" is not a congruent hypothetical.
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@avispartan @DummyOldThing @Neo_Paulinite @Savoyard_Queen Thank you for your valuable and relevant input
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@MonteBerge @Neo_Paulinite @Savoyard_Queen It’s influenced by her doing her job. The point is that you’re mad that the prosecutors couldn’t convince the jury to kill him. Defense doesn’t have to provide a single piece of evidence or testimony. BOP is on State
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@ikeacola @Neo_Paulinite @Savoyard_Queen And that verdict is influenced by what she did. She cleaerly took credit for it. Stick to the point.
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@MonteBerge @Neo_Paulinite @Savoyard_Queen Right so you “GET” a verdict back from the jury. Again, your anger should be directed at the state for not showing a better case if you’re this mad.
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@ikeacola @Neo_Paulinite @Savoyard_Queen "Just got a life verdict on a death penalty case" she's taking credit for it.
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@Neo_Paulinite @Savoyard_Queen Thank you for outing yourself as a fucking idiot.
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@ikeacola @Savoyard_Queen She did take credit for it, and no, mandatory death penalty is not unconstitutional.
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@AfterTheReset @BreeEsq So, an actually congruent hypothetical would be if the cop arrested someone for robbing you at gunpoint and then shot them in the head while they were handcuffed in the back of a police car. That’s not an arbitrary difference, you’re just stupid
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@BreeEsq Let's try a hypothetical:
You are walking down the street and a would-be robber holds you at gunpoint demanding your purse. An off duty police officer sees this and shoots the robber, killing him.
Would this also be barbaric or is this state murder arbitrarily okay?
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@simpsonryan32 @evviscerate @YKigono @8andido @RepublicofTim So you’re saying it would be unjust, not an acceptable loss?
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@ikeacola @evviscerate @YKigono @8andido @RepublicofTim It's unlikely but maybe you, presumably an execution abolitionist, will get your wish that I be unjustly executed by the state. There's always the possibility.
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@Neo_Paulinite @Savoyard_Queen No she didn’t. She said that her client received a life sentence. State should’ve done a better job if they wanted death. And mandatory death penalty is unconstitutional
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@ikeacola @Savoyard_Queen The PD in question took credit for it herself. We're judging her on that basis. But for the record yes, the jury DID make the wrong decision. In fact, they should not even be ALLOWED to make the decision, the death penalty for a crime of this magnitude should be automatic.
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