@hugodeboss1 @JackMurphyRGR @ScottMGreer Middle East crisis live: Trump says F-15 crew member missing in Iran is ‘safe’ after ‘dozens of aircraft’ sent to recover him share.google/ZKcPtJYVxKrHcS…
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Cameron Spendlove
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Cameron Spendlove
@CameronSpendlo2
I think before I react emotionally.
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Good news for once.
F-15 WSO recovered alive. Was escaping and evading. Massive fire fight on tgt. Iranians were actively looking for him in the area.
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@DigitalPastaFan @ArchMonkFritz @jkimballcook The official position is that it is killing, which may is rare situations, like rape, may or may not be justified. Murder is the willful and premeditated taking of life. Abortion is the taking of life even if we don't treat it that way.
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@DigitalPastaFan @ArchMonkFritz @jkimballcook Why won't you actually say what the official position of the LDS faith is. The position is that the child is a human life, Members may participate in efforts to protect life, and if a member participate in, support, or encourages abortion they can be removed from the church.
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people can argue about the reasons for this, but the leadership of the church (and President Oaks in particular) have long been troubled by the partisan imbalance among the membership of the church, lessening the GOP chokehold on the membership is a good thing
Deseret News@Deseret
🔗: bit.ly/4m2lxXm American members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints stood out over the past 20 years as the only religious group besides atheists that shifted toward greater Democratic Party self-identification. Latter-day Saints remain the second most Republican-leaning religious group in the United States but a new Cooperative Election Study analysis found this GOP advantage has shrunk by around 10 percentage points. Read more about the shift at the link above. ✏️: @BrighamTomco, Deseret News 🎨: Eliza Anderson, Deseret News
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@DigitalPastaFan @ArchMonkFritz @jkimballcook Of course you would disagree. It makes it easier for you to justify your position.
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@CameronSpendlo2 @ArchMonkFritz @jkimballcook I disagree that murder is the killing of innocent life
The fact that there are exceptions means that the Church does not hold that abortion is inherently murder. Doesn't mean it's not bad
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@sltrib The move to the left is highly correlated with the move of LDS members toward secularism. The more devout the member the more likely they are right wing politically.
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No group has moved leftward faster politically in the past 20 years than U.S. Latter-day Saints. They're still solidly Republican but less so. A few theories on why, and whether the trend will continue.
sltrib.com/religion/2026/…
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if abortion is ILLEGAL, men abandoning their pregnant partners should be ILLEGAL too. if women can't opt out of PREGNANCY, then men shouldn't be able to opt out of FATHERHOOD either!
Kia 🧸ྀི@xevekiah
what unpopular opinion about ABORTION can put you in this position???
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@MaryUtah @BearTu95 @WVCNick @UtahDemocrats A copy of a birth certificate is like $15. If you can't afford $15 you need to learn to budget. And these billion dollar Democrat pacs could probably help in any case.
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@BearTu95 @WVCNick @UtahDemocrats People without a birth certificate or passport, and lacking funds to pay for one, just to start.
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Republicans in Utah are following a reckless national trend of using ‘election security’ as a pretext to make it harder for citizens to vote.
Proof-of-citizenship rules and stricter registration requirements won't solve nonexistent problems - they only risk disenfranchising eligible Utahns.
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The Trump-backed SAVE Act appears all but doomed in the Senate. But these states are making moves to enact their own stricter requirements. time.com/article/2026/0…
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@LDS_Dems The problem is these Small cities and towns are putting in regulation to stop or die building. They have imposed heavy reductions and infrastructure improvements that are far beyond what is required.
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A down payment assistance program will only increase demand and increase the cost.
I am used to hearing these dumb ideas from some Democrats but now Republicans are all in on this populist nonsense.
Just build. It isn't complicated. Make it easier and cheaper to build
James Fishback@j_fishback
On Day 1 as Governor, I'll bring back the $385 million that Tallahassee Democrats and Republicans foolishly sent to Israel and then I'll separately launch a $385 statewide downpayment assistance program so young couples can buy their first home, get married, and have kids.
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@DigitalPastaFan @ArchMonkFritz @jkimballcook If murder is the killing of innocent life and the Mormon church teaches that abortion in nearly every case is the taken of innocent life them abortion is murder in most cases. Simple if A=B and C=B then A = C.
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@CameronSpendlo2 @ArchMonkFritz @jkimballcook I think we’re talking past each other. My contention is that the Church does not hold that abortion is murder, unlike what the other guy said
“May” doesn’t matter in regards to whether abortion is murder. I agree that it changes whether or not it’s a sin
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@jkimballcook @ArchMonkFritz The faith may not use the word murder. They call it the taking of an innocent life. They condemn laws that allow it. They condemn the support and advocacy of the practice. So again I ask how can a person of Christian faith the condemns abortion sort a part that advocates for it?
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@ArchMonkFritz @CameronSpendlo2 No, just wondering why you would try to speak for the church if you aren't a member.
The fact is, the church does not teach that abortion is murder.
That doesn't make it acceptable, but it isn't murder according to the church. You can believe it's murder if you want to.
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@DigitalPastaFan @ArchMonkFritz @jkimballcook Of course the word "may" if important it suggests that abortion in the case of rape may be impermisable and thus a sin by the faiths standards. This clearly shows the standard isn't just about accountability.
Abortion is the killing of an innocent child.
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@CameronSpendlo2 @ArchMonkFritz @jkimballcook The Church allows murder for compassion? Or do you agree that it’s not murder?
The “may” doesn’t change anything. A victim of rape isn’t accountable for the pregnancy since they did not consent, however not aborting can still be a good thing
Sorry, which question? Lots of text
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@DigitalPastaFan @ArchMonkFritz @jkimballcook Don't be daft. It's about compassion obviously. You'll also notice that it's also the official position of the Mormon faith is that rape "MAY" justify an abortion. So it's not just about accountability, unless you think some victoms were asking for it. Now answer my question.
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@ArchMonkFritz @CameronSpendlo2 @jkimballcook If something is murder, then it is unjustified. That is the definition. Your examples aren't relevant
The life is innocent regardless of whether it's created from rape or incest, yet the Church allows for exceptions. Why?
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@DigitalPastaFan @ArchMonkFritz @jkimballcook Sometimes killing is justified. Just because abortion may be justified in some instances, just as killing, does not make the position incoherent. You do haven't answered the question btw.
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@ArchMonkFritz @jkimballcook @CameronSpendlo2 It has more to do with agency and responsibility. If it were the case that all abortion is murder, then the Church’s position would be incoherent
You don’t get to murder someone because of the actions of someone else, but the Church allows for abortion in cases of rape
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@jkimballcook The Christian opposition to abortion is based on the commandment of "thou shalt not kill." But even if I grant your premise the point is still valid and you've made no rebuttal.
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@CameronSpendlo2 also, our church's opposition to elective abortion for convenience does not depend on any revealed knowledge about when life begins
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@csmaddox2008 There was no assertion that no Latter-Day Saints were Dems.
It was never asserted that you must be religious to be moral.
Who would ever assert that only LDS people belive in God?
Democrats may value these things but not above abortions, state control for the "greater good," etc.
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Lots of divisive assertions here.
Many Latter-day Saints are Democrat.
Many (most) non-religious people are moral.
Many non-LDS people believe in God.
Many Democrats value God, freedom, and faith.
Most people are good, regardless of political or religious affiliation.
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@Kimbe55 @helpmejeng @JStuartAdams Like I said I'm not making any moral statement here, just context. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would agree with you, and against you. Context matters.
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@CameronSpendlo2 @helpmejeng @JStuartAdams Reverse the ages. You would call for a lunching if an 18 year old male banged a 12-13 year old female.
Such misandry. Stuart is a misandrist who loves female rapists.
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How is sodomizing a 12 year old boy appropriate inclusion, @JStuartAdams?
Why legislate softer consequences instead of stopping it? Why put more kids at risk?
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@RealCandaceO If these children were shields, what were they protecting? Were there legitimate military targets in, under, or around those apartments? Just asking questions.
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Iran has a right to exist.
Also, they warned they would strike which I have been reliably informed makes them the most moral army in the world.
Lastly, the children harmed were used as human shields.
Did I miss anything?
Israel Foreign Ministry@IsraelMFA
The Iranian regime devastated Arad and Dimona by deliberately striking civilians with missiles. Over 100 people were injured, including children. A blatant war crime. Pure terrorism.
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@KingForUtah @SenMikeLee Here read this completely partisan rag of an article telling you what to believe. Please just read the bill. It's a perfectly reasonable proposal. Anyone telling you otherwise is just a partisan or fine with non citizens voting.
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The SAVE Act, sponsored by @SenMikeLee, is a voter suppression bill. If you think it is about protecting the integrity of our elections, read this:
Marc E. Elias@marceelias
This is my analysis of the SAVE Act. It started as a stunt by Mike Johnson to protect his speakership. It has evolved into a massive voter suppression bill. When it fails, Trump will escalate to something even more dangerous. Read and share. democracydocket.com/opinion/the-sa…
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