Bo Nelson

@KevinGeorg47975 @sociallion @revjeffvox @Protestia Thanks for the constructive and positive exchange. If I may press a little bit more. What “offering” has PERFECTED? How do you describe the “offering”? Sin offering? Guilt offering? All of the above?

@GaryBoNelson @sociallion @revjeffvox @Protestia "For by a single offering he has PERFECTED [not paid] for all time those who are being sanctified." The blood covenant causes its adherents to be set apart, sanctified from the world because they stop being slaves to sin.

"Can you imagine if I were to right now slaughter this animal?....I'll make it a quick death." Pastor Dave Krist brings a knife and real lamb on stage for a striking sermon illustration.

@KevinGeorg47975 @sociallion @revjeffvox @Protestia Correct. But you can’t deny the point of blood sacrifices in relation to the two different covenants. Sin has to be atoned for or else the sacrifices in the OT are meaningless and Jesus’ death is meaningless. Heb 10:14.

@GaryBoNelson @sociallion @revjeffvox @Protestia Context, context. The larger context going back to Heb 8 is the setting aside of one covenant for another, and that is done with a blood covenant. The old one is released. Wages is a metaphor. Read Rom 6:22 also. Context!

@KevinGeorg47975 @sociallion @revjeffvox @Protestia Isn’t that the definition of forgiveness? To “release” someone from the guilt of wrong they have done to another? To “cover” one’s wrong? One is not “released” from their guilt/sin apart from the shedding of Christ’s blood. The wages is sin is death, Jesus died in my place.

@GaryBoNelson @sociallion @revjeffvox @Protestia Shedding blood is not required for forgiveness. That is a bad translation. The word "aphesis" means release. It's about releasing the old covenant for the new. Too much to explain on X. Is. 55:7, 2 Chron 7:14

@sociallion @KevinGeorg47975 @revjeffvox @Protestia I will check it out. Thanks

@KevinGeorg47975 @GaryBoNelson @revjeffvox @Protestia @GaryBoNelson If you'd really like to understand what we're trying to explain, watch this. It does a far more thorough and precise job than I can achieve in a X thread: youtube.com/watch?v=GOteE0…

@KevinGeorg47975 @sociallion @revjeffvox @Protestia Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately none of this addresses the core question about what is being forgiven in Heb 9:22? If shedding of blood is required for forgiveness, and Jesus shed his blood for us, what was it for if it was not to "cancel the debt" (Col 2:13-14) of our sins?

@GaryBoNelson @sociallion @revjeffvox @Protestia "Wages" in Rom 6:23 is a metaphor for consequences, not a mechanism to pay for sin.

@KevinGeorg47975 @sociallion @revjeffvox @Protestia What exactly is one being forgiven for? If not sins then what? The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) and the soul that sins shall die (Ezekiel 18:20). 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, (Hebrews 10:12)

@GaryBoNelson @sociallion @revjeffvox @Protestia The "of sins" is an addition. Check the interlinear. Also, "almost" does not mean everything. There's something else going on in the larger context, but beyond this comment.

@sociallion @revjeffvox @KevinGeorg47975 @Protestia Don’t forget just a few verses earlier: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. (Hebrews 9:22, ESV)

@revjeffvox @KevinGeorg47975 @Protestia Hebrews 10:4 — “For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.” Jesus “takes away sin” not by paying it off with his blood, but by healing and transfiguring the very condition that produces it.

@QuestionTrinity Who has power over death (John 5:21, Deut 32:39)? Who raised Jesus from dead (Acts 2:24, John 10:17-18)?

Where does the NT claim Jesus was raised because he was God?

@othmaanX @GrZmNkY09 @Metadrene Consider Judges 13

So when Abraham saw yhwh, he didn't really see yhwh ? when people see Jesus, they are not seeing God .. there is no god there that people see only a man, right ? Not "a man and a god", because then u r seeing god and u didn't die. But regardless.. this is not the point. The point was yhwh could normally be metaphorical.. same way as God came at Paran.

No trinity. No multiple Gods. Before Abraham was. God already promised the Messiah. Jesus: I am he. The fulfillment. Not the Almighty

@RevReads289 @DoctrinalPossum @TruthAdvocate62 No answer was given for “why” we have a tendency towards sin and it definitely relates to original sin/guilt discussion. Deny it all that you like but no answer to why we sin has been given.

@DoctrinalPossum @TruthAdvocate62 @GaryBoNelson Yeah, it's weird. It's also weird that my whole point is about not receiving guilt from Adam not our tendencies for sin.

I deny Original Sin and Inherited Guilt to magnify the significance of the actual sin of each individual. We were each born innocent in the image of God and willfully sinned against our Creator bringing guilt on our own heads.

@Tim_XRP @rootcausesleuth youtu.be/w6AHcv19NIc?si…

God tells us that the concept of time applies to him. He thinks and acts on those decisions. He is the beginning and the end . There is no beginning and end without time. God has shown regret. Regret requires existing in time. Love and hate requires existing in time. Let me ask all the people who say God exists outside of time, was there a time before creation or not? Does God not exist in that time? There can't be a time before creation without time, yet God tells us there is a begining and speaks of time before man exists. There is no difference between immortality and not existing at all without time. Time = existence. God exists.

What if God created the universe around himself, so that he’s not “outside creation” or “outside time”?

@RevReads289 @TruthAdvocate62 Isn’t all of this needless arguments?

@GaryBoNelson @TruthAdvocate62 Ok. I'm just going to take you as being needlessly argumentative. Have a good night.

@RevReads289 @TruthAdvocate62 I reread our exchange and I have not seen an answer that explains why we have a tendency towards sin. To say we are innocent with a tendency towards sin because it feels good doesn’t answer the underlying question.

@GaryBoNelson @TruthAdvocate62 I already answered this. Why are you asking questions to which I already provided the answer while also ignoring my real point on guilt?

@RevReads289 @TruthAdvocate62 Ok, where does that weakness and tendency come from?

@GaryBoNelson @TruthAdvocate62 Didn't I just say that we have weakness and tendencies toward sin? Yes. I am denying guilt from Adam.

@RevReads289 @TruthAdvocate62 We obviously can see the difference btw pre-fall and post-fall conditions. The curse of sin has contaminated all of creation including the nature of man, hence why we see sinful tendencies in little children from birth. No matter how you word it, you have to explain it.

@GaryBoNelson @TruthAdvocate62 Did Eve possess a disposition towards sin when she sinned in the garden? Also, having weaknesses and tendencies toward sin from our parents dating back to Adam (my belief) is not Original Sin nor inherited guilt.

@RevReads289 @TruthAdvocate62 It’s actually not a silly question. If one doesn’t have a disposition towards sin then why would they sin to begin with? What’s the right explanation apart from the effect of the fall? Morally pure is not a possibility for those who part of Adam’s race. That’s why none are good.

@GaryBoNelson @TruthAdvocate62 It's a silly question that belittles the perfect righteousness of Christ to always choose the right in a fallen world. Why do people choose to sin? Because it feels good, we are tempted, we are surrounded by others who do wrong, the snares of the devil, etc.

@TruthAdvocate62 @RevReads289 Great and logical questions. I am looking forward to his response.

If humans are truly born innocent and fully capable of freely choosing right or wrong, why did anyone ever choose to sin? If guilt is only personal, not inherited, then a perfectly innocent person could have always chosen obedience. What made sin unavoidable for anyone in that case?

@ThomasG130 @JCBibleInsights Have you read much of Spurgeon? It’s hard not to see his pleading heart towards the lost and his absolute confidence in the sovereign care of God. Why do you think he earned the name Prince of Preachers? Gospel clarity with gospel progress.

@JCBibleInsights One will model oneself after how one views God.

The fact that Spurgeon could not understand how God could love might be a projection of his own mindset. "You thought that I was altogether like you?" --Psa 50:21 "God is love." --1 John 4:8, 16

@RonanOfGrace A question to help me understand your position. Does Jesus have a beginning or has he always existed?

To the Trinitarians who say Biblical Unitarians aren’t Christians because we don’t believe Jesus is God: Jesus himself said: “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” -John 17:3 Peter preached: “Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him.” -Acts 2:22 Paul wrote: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” -1 Tim 2:5 The gospel message centered on believing Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God: “But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.” -John 20:31 “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” -Acts 16:31 “Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God.” -1 John 5:1 Notice something important: The Bible repeatedly calls Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God, the man approved by God, and the Lord whom God raised from the dead (Romans 10:9: “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved”). But it never explicitly says you must believe “Jesus is God” to be saved or Christian. Biblical Unitarians follow the Jesus the apostles preached: the Messiah, the Son of God, and the man God raised and exalted. You may disagree with us, but saying we aren’t Christians for holding to what the Bible clearly states is a serious claim.

@CherylSchatz And that was with a Mormon by the way.

@GaryBoNelson Weren’t you the one who said, “No offense to the poster, but this proves how important it is to define terms”? The stealth mode removes the defining terms.

What is stealth Calvinism? John MacArthur explains how no one knew he was a Calvinist as he kept all the labels out of his sermons so he could take his congregation into Calvinism without their knowing what was happening.