Pickle Pete
651 posts
@picklepeate @JohnCleese If they don't need to specify the law they are attempting to enforce then I do not recognise any authority. They can specify or get fucked. They'll probably be lying anyway.
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Do you think it would help if the Labour government required the police to have some knowledge of the Law ?
Skint Eastwood@Skint_Eastwood1
UK Police Officer Threatens a Man With Section 35 But Can’t Explain What Section 35 Is 🤦♂️ Officer: “It’s under Section 35 Act.” Man: “Section 35 of what?” Officer: “It doesn’t matter what.” Unbelievable. When calmly asked to specify the law behind her threat, she clearly didn’t know and got defensive instead of professional. Of course it matters what power you’re threatening arrest under. Officers should know the basics of the laws they quote, not brush it off like it’s irrelevant.
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@ShirtlessKirk @JohnCleese Rightly or wrongly, Officers do not need to state a 'section number' etc. One could argue if it's a regular piece of legislation they use day to day, they should. But its not required in law.
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@picklepeate @JohnCleese He asked what Act, not the full text. Apparently that doesn't matter so any random "section number" will do from anything.
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@AaronBastani As someone in the job, I’ve been to MANY situations like this. Nearly every time, there’s no evidence to support allegations, and when there is, action taken by police enflames things. Also, people can’t evict anyone.
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Harassment, intimidation, I think even criminal damage - but nothing happens.
She’s having a hard time after all!
So many similar stories. A placebo police force. Have half a dozen stories like that immediately to mind.
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So striking how poorly prepared the police are for political moment we’re now in.
I know of one councillor - a woman with kids (NOT Labour or Green) who has been harassed by a woman with severe mental health issues. Police don’t do anything and say she’s having a ‘hard time’. >
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@robsmit54519473 @apoliticaleye @metpoliceuk @HantsPolice You realise that in France or Italy or even any other part of the world, what’s seen in this footage is restrained?
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@apoliticaleye @metpoliceuk @HantsPolice Have you seen the pre footage which shows how he was left behind the police lines when the crowd moved back?
Blading is/was illegal
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Can anyone tell me when blading the back of a protesters neck with a riot shield with introduced to Public Order training.
My recollection of PO training and operations is it was absolutely verboten unless life was threatened.
@metpoliceuk @HantsPolice
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Armed forces public order training and Prison officer shield training is in now way comparable. You’re comparing apples and oranges.
𝓐𝓹𝓪𝓵𝓪𝓬𝓮𝓫𝓸𝔂61 🇬🇧🇹🇻🇳🇵✝️@Apalaceboy61
I’ve watched this a couple of times, I did 3 tours in N.Ireland and C&R in HMP, this lot have lost control, no regulated baseline, using shields as weapons getting involved in 1-2-1s disgraceful
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@RSA_Observer @POCX100 @delestoile ‘The view’ - And it’s a doctor from Poland who admits in the post that he doesn’t have any information other than the judges sentencing remarks.
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See below and read the post of @delestoile that he is responding to. Basically the view is that the act of handcuffing Henry Nowak probably caused the clavicular vein to pull open and that but for the handcuffing he may otherwise have survived. It appears that this possibility is now being given further consideration.
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Dr Krzysztof Magier 🇵🇱@DrMagier
@delestoile Jeszcze jedna poprawka: Nie przeanalizowałem raportu z sekcji, bo nie miałem do niego dostępu. Opierałem się na publicznie dostępnych „Sentencing Remarks” gdzie Sędzia omawia fragmenty raportu z sekcji. To tak dla porządku formalnego.
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The Henry Nowak thing. If you watch the video, before Nowak complains of being unable to breathe and having been stabbed, the one police officer notes that "he has a mouthful of blood". Now when a person with a mouthful of blood starts complaining that they can't breathe and that they have been stabbed, alarm bells should be starting to go off. Then, a few moments later a policewoman requests an ambulance saying "His pupils aren't even reacting". By that point anyone with any bit of sense would surely have realised that there was a very serious problem. Now these same officers, apparently having been bereft of anything approaching basic common sense, are blaming their DEI training.
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@sotontimes Try holding onto an Officer like that in France or Italy and the bloke would be in hospital…
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Was the level of violence used by the riot police proportionate to the threat the unarmed man posed in the course of detaining him?
Steve's Law 🇬🇧@MaximusChud
Found multiple views of the same event. They were trying to kill him. Watch how many times they strike him in the head.
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@DonnaDlm71 @TedHastings25 @leembroad Not saying they shouldn’t have checked more thoroughly, just offering my opinion on what I think their thought process was, or atleast the male officers.
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@picklepeate @TedHastings25 @leembroad A drunk who says hes been stabbed 4 times & cant breathe 9 times? And they still dont even check, they just cuff and arrest him. Negligence, neglect of duty, not misjudgement.
No excuses. They have eyes & ears & first aid skillls. They used NONE.
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An absolute must read for anyone who has or is asking the question… and is genuinely interested in the response… how could this have happened?
First lie wins
policeprofessional.com/feature/first-…
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@Roswell1977 @TheMercianNews So if I chuck something at you but miss and you are not injured, you’re saying there’s no offence? Haha, have you never heard of attempted assault!?
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@picklepeate @TheMercianNews And no one was injured from this
Fixed it for you muppet
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🚨 BREAKING: Daniel Frost has been jailed for pushing a bin at police officers during disorder in Southampton on Tuesday.
District Judge Anthony Callaway sent the case to be sentenced at the city's crown court after telling the court the offences were "too serious" for the powers of the magistrates' court.
He has been remanded in custody until sentencing in July.
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@TedHastings25 @leembroad Pretty sure the officer just thinks Henry was a drunk bloke who'd just assaulted someone. He obviously didn't think he'd actually been stabbed so was nicked like any other drunk person. Obviously a bad misjudgement though.
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@leembroad Even if you consider that argument has merit, the Digwa entourage said they were propping Henry up because he "kept dropping side to side", had fallen from a fence and the officer acknowledged he was injured
And yet Henry's injuries are dismissed, he's cuffed and arrested
Brutal
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@Roswell1977 @TheMercianNews 'Set fire to a bin and push it at Officers'. - Fixed it for you.
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@TheMercianNews Punch a police officer - walk free
Push a bin - jail
Make it make sense 🤷🏻
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@Perrichamps @JennyAThatcher Interestingly though a lot of older people/boomers view the police growing up as more efficient, safe, 'don't fuck with' etc etc then todays. Which is ironic given the Police was more objectively racist/corrupt than it is now.
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@JennyAThatcher Ian Tomlinson comes to mind.
Then you’ve got miners strikes and probably many many more.
That mainstream is screaming against DEI and not focusing on police brutality just shows they don’t actually care bar what they think is a gotcha.
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The idea that white people didn't face police brutality before The Race Relations (Amendment) Act 2000 - is absurd, trust me!
This is about the whole rotten structure of the police, rather than that of anti-racist policies.
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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder Handcuffing is still judged as a use of force within the police, albeit it is seen as a very low use of force in most contexts. It isn’t judged by PACE codes exclusively, but it still has to stand the reasonable/proportionate test, if it ever gets that far.
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@picklepeate @katheder The issue then is whether routinely using handcuffs is, even when lawfully arresting, following PACE Codes. It's a use of force, and must be proportionate.
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Have the cops always been handcuffing suspects at the scene even when they present no obvious danger, or is this a recent SOP import from the US (where, given gun culture, the risks are very different)?
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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder Talking about ‘arrest’ in the physical definition. On that point, I’m not disputing. 2/2
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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder Right, but we’re talking, intentionally or not, about two different things. In terms of Police world, we can detain people for a search or arrest them for an offence. Both can be used with or without handcuffs. I was talking about arresting for an offence, you are 1/2
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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder That’s correct, they wouldn’t be free to leave, but there is a difference between being physically ‘under arrest’ and verbally under arrest for a specific offence under PACE. I was replying to original commenter regarding circumstances in which handcuffs can be, and are used.
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@picklepeate @katheder I'm saying that cuffing clearly indicates that the cuffee is not free to leave the scene.
That's an arrest.
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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder An officer SHOULD as reasonably practice, either detain or arrest under a power/offence when it’s figured out ASAP to justify keeping that person in cuffs lawfully. But in the first minutes/seconds, the person can be put in cuffs simply to control the scene. 2/2
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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder I’m not sure what your point is? I’m saying if an officers tells someone they’re under arrest, they’re under arrest, if they’re detained, they’re detained. Just because they’re in handcuffs doesn’t necessarily mean either. 1/2
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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder Policing. Officers can use a few use of force powers (depending on circs), both Section 117 Pace (if used after a pace power),Common law or section 3 criminal law act.Once and Officer is able to establish if the person in the cuffs is involved, they either formally detain/arrest.
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@picklepeate @katheder Which biz are you in?
Because handcuffing someone is an indication to them that they are not free to go; which means that they have been arrested. Whether the arrest is lawful is a separate matter.
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