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@MLeiter42 @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA EEI is a consequence of ocean uptake, not a cause. This energy is unavailable to generate compensating planetary radiance. EEI can be thought of as the surface-atmospheric system warming too slowly for the change of input.

@WHPAAD @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA It depends what you mean by "pin". Clearly it means something different to you than it does to me. Systems have both static and dynamic reactions to perturbations. One way the climate can handle an EEI imbalance is by ocean uptake. But there are others.

@Royalacresrod @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @Diver_Flemming @MLeiter42 @ladyspat1 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @dafalgoutDennis @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @patfrank830 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @WHPAAD @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA It is not practical, certainly not in the short term, to replace most baseload power with wind and solar. No one here ever said it was. Within many decades, storage may be cheap enough to replace most baseload with wind solar and batteries, but they would still need backup.

@QI_181 @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @joe51du @Gilles_Borghese @ladyspat1 @Royalacresrod @WayneAllanH @patfrank830 @MLeiter42 @JamesAbbott2013 @adamlje @BubbasRanch @jimdtweet @Kenneth72712993 @CCross1776 @ChrisBBacon3 @MichaelCar11571 @BJul1989 @TypicalDeviant @joPO19942906 @dee_ermakova @priscian @DaleGribble_666 @99thinkaboutit @jgatta06 @Frnc_prep @sjsimmons @ammocrypta @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Mark_A_Lunn @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @BobPartridge16 @Devonian1342 @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee in fairness planetary emission temperature is increasing along with CO2. Hypotheses are being amended.

@dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @joe51du @Gilles_Borghese @ladyspat1 @Royalacresrod @WayneAllanH @patfrank830 @MLeiter42 @JamesAbbott2013 @adamlje @WHPAAD @BubbasRanch @jimdtweet @Kenneth72712993 @CCross1776 @ChrisBBacon3 @MichaelCar11571 @BJul1989 @TypicalDeviant @joPO19942906 @dee_ermakova @priscian @DaleGribble_666 @99thinkaboutit @jgatta06 @Frnc_prep @sjsimmons @ammocrypta @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Mark_A_Lunn @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @BobPartridge16 @Devonian1342 @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee But…

@QI_181 @Royalacresrod @FreeSpeech4Me_U @WayneAllanH @joe51du @Gilles_Borghese @dafalgoutDennis @patfrank830 @MLeiter42 @JamesAbbott2013 @adamlje @WHPAAD @BubbasRanch @jimdtweet @Kenneth72712993 @CCross1776 @ChrisBBacon3 @MichaelCar11571 @BJul1989 @TypicalDeviant @joPO19942906 @dee_ermakova @priscian @DaleGribble_666 @99thinkaboutit @jgatta06 @Frnc_prep @sjsimmons @ammocrypta @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Mark_A_Lunn @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @BobPartridge16 @Devonian1342 @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee Your false propaganda is another example of Dystopian fantasy falsely pretending CO2 is radically increasing contrary to the observational measurements which demonstrate no great difference between the beginning of the 19th Century to the Present 21st Century; i.e. pseudoscience.

@MLeiter42 @dafalgoutDennis @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA If you keep changing your position day to day I admit I don't know what your arguments are. Previously you confidently linked to a highlighted piece of N&Z but that seems to be diminishing now.

@WHPAAD @dafalgoutDennis @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA This is a strawman of my argument. Your are arguing with yourself.

@MLeiter42 @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA you said we cannot pin planetary radiance to input thus implying an imbalanced condition. no problem. If you want imbalance then the shortfall of planetary radiance is proportional to ocean uptake.

@WHPAAD @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA Who is suggesting that atmospheric imbalance is sustained? I am not. Nor have I suggested such. The temperature difference between surface and emission point is structural! There is no thermodynamic imbalance involved that is not dynamic and temporary in nature.

@dafalgoutDennis @MLeiter42 @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA that still does not veto physical implausibility of sustaining an atmospheric energy imbalance.

@WHPAAD @MLeiter42 @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA But the latest Soon et al paper shows that there has been no detectable change in the ocean heat content.

@MLeiter42 @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA obviously ocean energy uptake is that which is unavailable to the surface atmospheric system, and therefore unavailable to be converted to planetary thermal radiance.

@MLeiter42 @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA for planetary EEI: input - output = ocean uptake (of the solar beam). Trying to sustain some kind of atmospheric imbalance is unphysical.

@MLeiter42 @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA it's limited by radiative convective equilibrium, planetary radiance is pinned to input. Classic teaching builds atmosphere from cold rock by LW radiative forcing.

@WHPAAD @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA Yes, but the delta between average surface T and average emissions T is not limited by that.

@MLeiter42 @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA planetary thermal radiance changes are limited by input changes.

@WHPAAD @Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA Odd... That's how my model works - TOA flux changes (via emission temp) "drag Ts with them", yet you continue to pan me for it. Still not sure if we merely disagree on the terminology, or the casual chain.

@Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA The US contingent tends to favor GISS, represented as points 20, 21, and 22. Is the GISS calculation correct?

@WHPAAD @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA The ones the climate scientists use - obviously You are welcome

@Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA Which models are calculating the correct trends of LW and SW, the cause of temperature change?

@WHPAAD @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA I have no idea - I am not a climate scientist - and neither are you However I do know that the models used by actual climate scientists get it pretty much spot on

@Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA When temperature change is said to be caused by TOA radiation changes, and models are said to be skillful, I am simply interested in which models you think are calculating SW and LW changes correctly i.e. the thing causing temperature change.

@WHPAAD @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA Do you have a point with this question? Are suggesting it is not getting warmer? Are you suggesting it is not getting warmer as the climate models predicted? Are you questioning the F = 5.35 ln (relative change in CO2) W/m2 formula?

@Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA Which models demonstrate skill in calculating TOA SW and LW radiation changes. x.com/WHPAAD/status/…

@WHPAAD @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA Obviously we are changing TOA radiation By 3.7 W/m2 for every doubling of CO2 And that is causing:

@Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA the thing it is said we are changing is TOA net radiation, Ts is said to be dragged as a consequence.

@WHPAAD @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA You literally wrote "a narrow focus of temperature changes for a wide assortment of energy accumulation pathways" - and yet: Temperature is indeed the thing we change"

@BubbasRanch @MLeiter42 @dafalgoutDennis @CDCollins5269 @ladyspat1 @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @joPO19942906 @BobPartridge16 @patfrank830 @TypicalDeviant @WayneAllanH @Hji45519156 @4RealClimate @Scizz8 @sjsimmons @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @rln_nelson @Kenneth72712993 @josiejessop631 @Frnc_prep @Michael_D_Crow @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @ammocrypta @evenminded512 @grok @BenKoby1911 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @priscian @Devonian1342 @jgatta06 @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @DaleGribble_666 @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @GillesnFio @Joe_Public2018 @ClimatePoet @EthonRaptor 1000x

@BubbasRanch @MLeiter42 @dafalgoutDennis @CDCollins5269 @ladyspat1 @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @joPO19942906 @BobPartridge16 @patfrank830 @TypicalDeviant @WayneAllanH @Hji45519156 @4RealClimate @Scizz8 @sjsimmons @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @rln_nelson @Kenneth72712993 @josiejessop631 @Frnc_prep @Michael_D_Crow @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @ammocrypta @evenminded512 @grok @BenKoby1911 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @priscian @Devonian1342 @jgatta06 @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @DaleGribble_666 @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @GillesnFio @Joe_Public2018 @ClimatePoet @EthonRaptor the hot thing in the space provides on average 1000 more power to the surface than the hot thing at the core. It is indeed quite basic.

@BubbasRanch @MLeiter42 @CDCollins5269 @WHPAAD @ladyspat1 @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @joPO19942906 @BobPartridge16 @patfrank830 @TypicalDeviant @WayneAllanH @Hji45519156 @4RealClimate @Scizz8 @sjsimmons @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @rln_nelson @Kenneth72712993 @josiejessop631 @Frnc_prep @Michael_D_Crow @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @ammocrypta @evenminded512 @grok @BenKoby1911 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @priscian @Devonian1342 @jgatta06 @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @DaleGribble_666 @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @GillesnFio @Joe_Public2018 @ClimatePoet @EthonRaptor Where does the heat that convection and evaporation transfer to the atmosphere go? There is no doubt that the atmosphere cools every night. How?

@Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA I made no such suggestion, but it's true that many thermodynamic and dynamical effects result from energy accumulation. I am simply interested in your view of which models are physically consistent with basic observations of boundary conditions.

@WHPAAD @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA You seem to have suggested that temperature change was not the only/main result of the changes we are adding to Earth's energy balance

@BubbasRanch @MLeiter42 @dafalgoutDennis @CDCollins5269 @ladyspat1 @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @joPO19942906 @BobPartridge16 @patfrank830 @TypicalDeviant @WayneAllanH @Hji45519156 @4RealClimate @Scizz8 @sjsimmons @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @rln_nelson @Kenneth72712993 @josiejessop631 @Frnc_prep @Michael_D_Crow @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @ammocrypta @evenminded512 @grok @BenKoby1911 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @priscian @Devonian1342 @jgatta06 @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @DaleGribble_666 @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @GillesnFio @Joe_Public2018 @ClimatePoet @EthonRaptor As long as you imagine that solar radiation is not a positive energy input the discussion won't proceed very meaningfully.

@WHPAAD @MLeiter42 @dafalgoutDennis @CDCollins5269 @ladyspat1 @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @joPO19942906 @BobPartridge16 @patfrank830 @TypicalDeviant @WayneAllanH @Hji45519156 @4RealClimate @Scizz8 @sjsimmons @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @rln_nelson @Kenneth72712993 @josiejessop631 @Frnc_prep @Michael_D_Crow @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @ammocrypta @evenminded512 @grok @BenKoby1911 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @priscian @Devonian1342 @jgatta06 @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @DaleGribble_666 @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @GillesnFio @Joe_Public2018 @ClimatePoet @EthonRaptor No, I do not. This isn't hard or mysterious. The surface energy balance is geothermal in at about 10 meters depth and net surface flux out over 365-366 days. Out includes all heat flow mechanisms.

@Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA I don't understand your question. Model physical parameterization is meant to demonstrate skill in calculating TOA net radiation changes.

@WHPAAD @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA Ah, so the excess energy created by our emissions results in OTHER significant accumulations than heat? Please do elaborate?

@Diver_Flemming @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA the relation is a narrow focus of temperature changes for a wide assortment of energy accumulation pathways.

@WHPAAD @patfrank830 @Royalacresrod @ladyspat1 @Phleyer @dafalgoutDennis @FreeSpeech4Me_U @BobPartridge16 @MLeiter42 @jgatta06 @BubbasRanch @ChrisBBacon3 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @sjsimmons @grok @WayneAllanH @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @jimdtweet @covid_quest @evenminded512 @sandcastle1975 @Frnc_prep @MichaelCar11571 @ammocrypta @balls95652097 @joPO19942906 @Kenneth72712993 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @Scizz8 @Data79504085 @rln_nelson @4RealClimate @CDCollins5269 @Ernestops78 @phlannelphysics @Hji45519156 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @isaacscradle @RobertWager1 @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @NOAA Relate to the chart I showed first. Then we can look at "your" chart