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GSchultz, Honest weights & equal measure

@guyschultz

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GSchultz, Honest weights & equal measure
@TheRabbitHole You're right that "bigotry did it" is the laziest, most intellectually bankrupt move in modern discourse — the single-bullet Theory-of-Everything that requires no evidence, no trade-offs, no behavioral data, just an accusation and a demand for power. Helen Pluckrose has eviscerated this exact move better than anyone: it is the postmodern knowledge principle applied like a sledgehammer — all disparities are socially constructed by dominant discourses to maintain power, therefore the only acceptable explanation is bigotry, and anyone offering a more complex account is morally complicit. But here's the brutal irony you keep missing. When it comes to black–white outcome gaps in the United States, the actual historical record delivers exactly the kind of centuries-long, institutionally embedded, legally enforced, theologically defended bigotry that the woke falsely invent for everything else. This isn't CRT. This isn't Marx, Hegel, Foucault, or Kimberlé Crenshaw. This is pre-modern, pre-Enlightenment, pre-woke Christian (and later secular) doctrine all by an unbroken series of collective of fathers governing in evil as good-- yoking thrones/governments and churches with statutes and doctrines of wickedness against a phenotype of black or brown skin and an African Ancestry from conception in the name of Jesus: → the Curse of Ham → Aristotelian natural slavery → papal bulls (Dum Diversas, Romanus Pontifex) → Iberian limpieza de sangre → Southern Presbyterian/General Assembly pronouncements → Southern Baptist & Methodist confessions that declared Africans "inhereditarily inferior by divine decree" These weren't fringe opinions. They were the overwhelming normative consensus in church and state for 90%+ of the 580 years of African presence in the Americas (1440s–2020s). PSALMS 94:20 direct violation normatively: Psalm 94:20 English Standard Version 20 Can wicked rulers be allied with you, those who frame[a] injustice by statute? The Democratic Party the seedbed for the Southern Baptist and Southern Presbyterian conventions and the Confederacy— the most powerful political and Jesus representing institutions in every territory where blacks were the majority population from 1800 to 1970 — explicitly built its coalition on white supremacy. The largest Protestant denominations in the South formally taught that black inferiority was part of God's created order. Even the "good guys" (Republicans) only opposed the expansion of slavery — not the underlying racial hierarchy itself. They fought a war that killed 400,000 men to stop slavery's spread, yet the majority of them still believed blacks were inferior and should never have social equality. Yet here is the savage irony that almost no one on the anti-woke right will face: When it comes to black–white gaps in America, @HPluckrose herself says the explanation actually is centuries of explicit, legally enforced, theologically defended racism of a kind and intensity almost unknown in human history. Her exact words (28 Oct 2023): “The failure of so many contemporary critical theorists of race to recognise this comes down largely to CRT & its offshoots being an American phenomenon looking at the experiences of black descendants of enslaved Africans which is a very specific history! Does this history include systemic racism? Quite clearly it does starting with not being allowed to own yourself & then segregation & being legally second class citizens not allowed to enter lucrative professions, redlining, crap schools etc. The strongest indicator of whether somebody will be successful is if their parents are. It might take more than a couple of generations of being legally allowed to be successful to overcome the effects of all that.” That is Helen Pluckrose , not @ibramxk . And she is right—because this goes deep into the Judeo-Christian roots America claims to cherish. The justifying doctrines weren't fringe. They were baked into rabbinic, patristic, and confessional theology for millennia. Check the nearly a century of resolutions, overtures, Annual meeting declarations and joint statements, like the SBC repudiating its use of the Curse of Ham in 2017/18 and @SBTS and others declaring the founders of those denominations heretics. → 400–500 CE (Jerusalem Talmud, Taanit 1:6): Midrash on the Flood punishes Ham for ark misconduct by emerging "darkened" (mefucham, pun on his name), linking blackness to sin's consequence—the seed of racialized curses. → 400–500 CE (Babylonian Talmud, Kiddushin 49b): "Ten kavim of drunkenness" descend to the world; Kushites (Black Africans) take nine—first clear negative trope in core rabbinic texts, clustering impairment with Blackness. → 500 CE (Babylonian Talmud, Berakhot 31b/Shabbat 31b; Sotah midrash): An innocent accused woman's "dark skin" (shchorot) is "blessed" by birthing light-skinned children—implying fairness as divine favor, darkness as lesser/default. → 800–900 CE (Saadia Gaon, Genesis commentary): Equates Ham’s line (Cushites) with "dark slaves," fusing biblical exegesis to emerging slave trades. → 1000–1250 CE (Medieval Sephardic/Ashkenazic thought): Amid Reconquista and Almohad persecutions, exegeses tie Ham/Cush to perpetual enslavement via Curse of Ham (Gen 9:20–27), influenced by Mediterranean African slave trades. → 1400s (Alba Bible, folio 33r): Illuminated Castilian Hebrew Bible depicts Ham—the father of Kush/Ethiopia—as a Black African gazing at Noah's nakedness, while Shem/Japheth avert theirs. Commissioned by a Spanish churchman, painted by Christians, translated by Rabbi Moses Arragel. These fed straight into Protestant America’s “Judeo-Christian ethic”: → Curse of Ham/Canaan twisted for perpetual African servitude/inferiority → Mark of Cain reinterpreted as blackness → Babel’s Table of Nations as God-ordained racial hierarchies → Aristotelian “natural slavery” fused with scripture → 1857 Southern Presbyterian General Assembly: “The African race… by nature and by the curse pronounced upon Canaan, doomed to perpetual servitude” → R.L. Dabney (Reformed theologian, Stonewall Jackson’s chief of staff): “ The black race… is constitutionally inferior” Start at 1526 (San Miguel de Gualdape, SC/GA)—first enslaved Africans on continental US soil, under the 1518 Royal Charter (Charles V’s asiento for 4,000 “Christian” Africans as commodities, rooted in 1452–1493 papal bulls and Ham curses). Key codifications: → 1640 (John Punch ruling, Virginia): First judicial lifetime enslavement by race—Punch (Black) gets life; white runaways get 4 extra years. → 1662 (Virginia Hereditary Slavery Law): Partus sequitur ventrem—“all children borne… shalbe held bond or free only according to the condition of the mother.” A Psalms 94:20 abomination, ensuring perpetual racial chattel via mothers’ wombs. Imagine if reformed biblically: Partus sequitur patrem—“the seed, name, blessing follow the father” (1 Cor 7:14; Num 1; Ezra 2). Children free if fathers free; fornicators wed or dower the mother/child; deniers of seed cursed. No dynasty of bondage. End of normative consensus: 1965 Voting Rights Act—outlawing Jim Crow segregation/disenfranchisement. Total: 1526–2025 = 499 years. Normative evil (slavery/Jim Crow): 1526–1965 = 439 years. 88% of US history under legally enforced racial subordination as the political/religious norm. You, @elonmusk, @ConceptualJames, @colinwright keep saying: once a poisonous idea is made normative, it takes roughly as long to exit the system as it took to enter. That leaves centuries of inertia—by your logic. And we still name buildings after the architects. Still platform “benevolent institution” apologists. Still fly Confederate “heritage.” So yes—in every other context, “bigotry!” is lazy, anti-scientific, authoritarian. But for Black American outcomes? The null hypothesis is millennia of theology-fueled, state-sponsored subjugation. Even Pluckrose sees it. The rest of you are closing your eyes and working backwards to pretend what has been was not as you conflate Queer theory, trans ideology and all the rest with the call to biblical justice along racial lines that is symmetrical to all that is in place for Native Americans via treaty commitments and the London Debt Agreement that enabled Germany to pay reparations to Jewish Holocaust victims and their infants. @AJKocman @joe_rigney @douglaswils @alisa_childers @VanJones68 @Pontifex @JoshDaws @ThaddeusWill @nhannahjones @christopherrufo @nbusenitz @jarbitro @megbasham @the_jefferymead @LarryTaunton @JohnMPerkins @drtonyevans @conservmillen @ryanbomberger @SlowToWrite @ConradMbewe @JustinPetersMin @CollinRugg @YourCalvinist @hbcharlesjr @tomascol @LigonDuncan @MattWalshBlog @Jimdavis79 @ThabitiAnyabwil @pastordmack @kangminlee @TheLaurenChen @NeilShenvi @megynkelly @D_B_Harrison @glennbeck @Ty_Seidule @HenryLouisGates @SethDillon @thatsKAIZEN
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GSchultz, Honest weights & equal measure@guyschultz

@calvinrobinson I agree. Yet you were silent while Donald Trump worshiped under his male pastor married to a man. Raven BURL salmon was that pastor from 2017 through 2021. During that period that same pastor was on the Planned Parenthood, Board of Directors and served as the clergy advocacy board of the Planned Parenthood chair. Why didn’t you call that demonic. He was advocating for abortion. That’s far more wicked than sex toys. @pastordmack @LizzieMarbach @LifeNewsHQ @Katy_Faust @joe_rigney @megbasham @WesleyLHuff @drmoore @realDonaldTrump @ThaddeusWill @D_B_Harrison

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bendell werry 🌲
bendell werry 🌲@bendellwerry·
I am going to make an effort to avoid the Reformed ghetto on here in the future. It's all the same old pointless debates every six months over and over.
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Josh Allen
Josh Allen@joshgivesup·
@WilliamWolfe Cmon man, I’m right and you know it. All you had to do was “I don’t agree with what was said about Hitler by an account I follow” and this whole thing is a win for you. But instead you went with fat jokes and whataboutisms. This was a simple thing to quiet down, you chose not to.
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@joshgivesup @WilliamWolfe @WilliamWolfe claims @PerfInjust is better than all of his critics, which included Voddie & John MacArthur. Also James White, @Phil_Johnson_ @megbasham @douglaswils @ThabitiAnyabwil — really. And you are still silent here. x.com/guyschultz/sta…
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GSchultz, Honest weights & equal measure@guyschultz

@calvinrobinson I agree. Yet you were silent while Donald Trump worshiped under his male pastor married to a man. Raven BURL salmon was that pastor from 2017 through 2021. During that period that same pastor was on the Planned Parenthood, Board of Directors and served as the clergy advocacy board of the Planned Parenthood chair. Why didn’t you call that demonic. He was advocating for abortion. That’s far more wicked than sex toys. @pastordmack @LizzieMarbach @LifeNewsHQ @Katy_Faust @joe_rigney @megbasham @WesleyLHuff @drmoore @realDonaldTrump @ThaddeusWill @D_B_Harrison

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@BereanHouse @WilliamWolfe @NeilShenvi @WilliamWolfe you are incorrect. The Sbc was born in destruction. The state of it under him was exponentially better than its 1st century by far. x.com/guyschultz/sta…
GSchultz, Honest weights & equal measure@guyschultz

@calvinrobinson I agree. Yet you were silent while Donald Trump worshiped under his male pastor married to a man. Raven BURL salmon was that pastor from 2017 through 2021. During that period that same pastor was on the Planned Parenthood, Board of Directors and served as the clergy advocacy board of the Planned Parenthood chair. Why didn’t you call that demonic. He was advocating for abortion. That’s far more wicked than sex toys. @pastordmack @LizzieMarbach @LifeNewsHQ @Katy_Faust @joe_rigney @megbasham @WesleyLHuff @drmoore @realDonaldTrump @ThaddeusWill @D_B_Harrison

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Daniel Justice
Daniel Justice@BereanHouse·
@WilliamWolfe @NeilShenvi Thank you for the info. I haven't been paying attention for a long time. I didn't realize the SBC had gone the way of the Methodists. I guess it was a matter of time, I really thought they were stronger than this.
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Neil Shenvi
Neil Shenvi@NeilShenvi·
The main problem with NETTR (“no enemies to the right”) is that it is fundamentally man-centered. It asks “will this hurt my cause?” and not “will this dishonor God?”
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@SamRainer @WilliamWolfe @bartbarber @WilliamWolfe what about when you curse God’s friends with your sinful silence ? x.com/guyschultz/sta…
GSchultz, Honest weights & equal measure@guyschultz

@calvinrobinson I agree. Yet you were silent while Donald Trump worshiped under his male pastor married to a man. Raven BURL salmon was that pastor from 2017 through 2021. During that period that same pastor was on the Planned Parenthood, Board of Directors and served as the clergy advocacy board of the Planned Parenthood chair. Why didn’t you call that demonic. He was advocating for abortion. That’s far more wicked than sex toys. @pastordmack @LizzieMarbach @LifeNewsHQ @Katy_Faust @joe_rigney @megbasham @WesleyLHuff @drmoore @realDonaldTrump @ThaddeusWill @D_B_Harrison

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Sam Rainer
Sam Rainer@SamRainer·
@WilliamWolfe @bartbarber I think you might need a hobby. It's Opening Day. Why not baseball? Something like that might be good for your soul.
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GSchultz, Honest weights & equal measure@guyschultz

@calvinrobinson I agree. Yet you were silent while Donald Trump worshiped under his male pastor married to a man. Raven BURL salmon was that pastor from 2017 through 2021. During that period that same pastor was on the Planned Parenthood, Board of Directors and served as the clergy advocacy board of the Planned Parenthood chair. Why didn’t you call that demonic. He was advocating for abortion. That’s far more wicked than sex toys. @pastordmack @LizzieMarbach @LifeNewsHQ @Katy_Faust @joe_rigney @megbasham @WesleyLHuff @drmoore @realDonaldTrump @ThaddeusWill @D_B_Harrison

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@TheAmericanite @WilliamWolfe @jamestalarico @WilliamWolfe but you support @realDonaldTrump who platforms a Jesus that affirms abortion and samesex marriage. @BaptistLeaders @joe_rigney @douglaswils
GSchultz, Honest weights & equal measure@guyschultz

@calvinrobinson I agree. Yet you were silent while Donald Trump worshiped under his male pastor married to a man. Raven BURL salmon was that pastor from 2017 through 2021. During that period that same pastor was on the Planned Parenthood, Board of Directors and served as the clergy advocacy board of the Planned Parenthood chair. Why didn’t you call that demonic. He was advocating for abortion. That’s far more wicked than sex toys. @pastordmack @LizzieMarbach @LifeNewsHQ @Katy_Faust @joe_rigney @megbasham @WesleyLHuff @drmoore @realDonaldTrump @ThaddeusWill @D_B_Harrison

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Erick Erickson
Erick Erickson@EWErickson·
@WilliamWolfe Do you not know “the miserable bondage we were all in”? Is that commentary offensive to you, William?
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Erick Erickson
Erick Erickson@EWErickson·
Hey @WilliamWolfe, I know you’re upset at @JohnPiper quoting scripture. Have you and @BaptistLeaders condemned the nomination of a practitioner of witchcraft for surgeon general or do y’all just attack other Christians? I might have missed that.
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Not actually. He took on the literal sin and became sin. The vertical is true while the consequence of the horizontal remains. At that time, sanctification is complete and no sin enters heaven at all. Huge difference. This is about salvation but consequences of our actions which salvation does not remove in the horizontal. The thief on the cross took last breath as thief on the cross. Moses never entered the promised land. Had she had several babies in the course , few would have advised their sons to pursue her.
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Spencer Askew
Spencer Askew@spencer_askew·
You know who else will be marrying a bride with a sordid past? Jesus. At the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
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Sergious C.
Sergious C.@ElifNull·
@kittysn00p @WWUTTcom That’s a crumb. A redeemed crumb, that doesn’t negate anything that I’ve said, or change the thrust of my point.
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WWUTT?@WWUTTcom·
Lots of pretend “Christians” on X this week telling people who have had sex before marriage that they are less than. They’ll never be good enough. Never be pure enough. Weak and wounded sinner… Christ is a gracious Savior. Come to Jesus. He will cleanse and make you new.
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A way to test this is to set a hypothetical. @AshleySheatz hypothetical father at the period of her pattern is seeking to become a pastor at a southern baptist church. Would this hold @tomascol @RayComfort @joe_rigney @GundenGraham @pastordmack @ostrachan @drmoore @Katy_Faust @LizzieMarbach @douglaswils @albertmohler @kangminlee @NeilShenvi The Bible’s standard turns on whether the children are presently “open to the charge” of debauchery (asōtia — reckless, dissolute, wild living, including sexual promiscuity; see Luke 15:13 for the prodigal’s “reckless living”) or insubordination. This is a public, observable reputation test, not a private sin-count or hidden ledger. • 10 episodes with 10 abortions (or 10 episodes with no pregnancies), fully confessed and currently repentant:
The sin (fornication + the grave sin of abortion) is confessed to the appropriate parties (God, and to the church if it has become known). Once genuine repentance is evident—godly sorrow, turning from the behavior, clear life change (2 Corinthians 7:10–11; Matthew 3:8)—the daughter is no longer “open to the charge.” There is no visible, ongoing public testimony of “wild living” (no babies, no pregnancies walking around). The household does not carry an active, observable reproach that outsiders or the congregation can point to (1 Timothy 3:7). Therefore, the elder’s “above reproach” status and proven household management are not violated in the present tense. The father meets the qualification right now.
Conservative biblical interpreters consistently emphasize that the Titus/1 Timothy language targets current, flagrant, public patterns of rebellion or immorality, not every past (even repeated) sin once repented of and no longer characterizing the child. • 3 episodes each yielding a carried baby (still visible consequences during qualification):
Even with full confession and claimed repentance for all three, the visible babies (especially the third one she is still carrying or has recently had) keep the pattern publicly observable. The church and outsiders can see the repeated outcome of sexual immorality. This leaves the daughter “open to the charge of debauchery” in the present, raising legitimate questions about whether the household has been managed in a way that produces submissive, non-scandalizing fruit right now. The delay is required until enough time passes with sustained repentance and no further visible reproach—so the children are clearly not open to that charge.
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A way to test this is to set a hypothetical. @AshleySheatz hypothetical father at the period of her pattern is seeking to become a pastor at a southern baptist church. Would this hold @tomascol @RayComfort @joe_rigney @GundenGraham @pastordmack @ostrachan @drmoore @Katy_Faust @LizzieMarbach @douglaswils @albertmohler @kangminlee @NeilShenvi The Bible’s standard turns on whether the children are presently “open to the charge” of debauchery (asōtia — reckless, dissolute, wild living, including sexual promiscuity; see Luke 15:13 for the prodigal’s “reckless living”) or insubordination. This is a public, observable reputation test, not a private sin-count or hidden ledger. • 10 episodes with 10 abortions (or 10 episodes with no pregnancies), fully confessed and currently repentant:
The sin (fornication + the grave sin of abortion) is confessed to the appropriate parties (God, and to the church if it has become known). Once genuine repentance is evident—godly sorrow, turning from the behavior, clear life change (2 Corinthians 7:10–11; Matthew 3:8)—the daughter is no longer “open to the charge.” There is no visible, ongoing public testimony of “wild living” (no babies, no pregnancies walking around). The household does not carry an active, observable reproach that outsiders or the congregation can point to (1 Timothy 3:7). Therefore, the elder’s “above reproach” status and proven household management are not violated in the present tense. The father meets the qualification right now.
Conservative biblical interpreters consistently emphasize that the Titus/1 Timothy language targets current, flagrant, public patterns of rebellion or immorality, not every past (even repeated) sin once repented of and no longer characterizing the child. • 3 episodes each yielding a carried baby (still visible consequences during qualification):
Even with full confession and claimed repentance for all three, the visible babies (especially the third one she is still carrying or has recently had) keep the pattern publicly observable. The church and outsiders can see the repeated outcome of sexual immorality. This leaves the daughter “open to the charge of debauchery” in the present, raising legitimate questions about whether the household has been managed in a way that produces submissive, non-scandalizing fruit right now. The delay is required until enough time passes with sustained repentance and no further visible reproach—so the children are clearly not open to that charge.
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Megan Basham
Megan Basham@megbasham·
Allllllright, I’m failing to stay off X, but need to note for the factual record that @AshleySheatz became a Christian nearly ten years ago in 2017. She did not become a Christian and “immediately switch to being a Christian influencer.”
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A way to test this is to set a hypothetical. @AshleySheatz hypothetical father at the period of her pattern is seeking to become a pastor at a southern baptist church. Would this hold @tomascol @RayComfort @joe_rigney @GundenGraham @pastordmack @ostrachan @drmoore @Katy_Faust @LizzieMarbach @douglaswils @albertmohler @kangminlee @NeilShenvi The Bible’s standard turns on whether the children are presently “open to the charge” of debauchery (asōtia — reckless, dissolute, wild living, including sexual promiscuity; see Luke 15:13 for the prodigal’s “reckless living”) or insubordination. This is a public, observable reputation test, not a private sin-count or hidden ledger. • 10 episodes with 10 abortions (or 10 episodes with no pregnancies), fully confessed and currently repentant:
The sin (fornication + the grave sin of abortion) is confessed to the appropriate parties (God, and to the church if it has become known). Once genuine repentance is evident—godly sorrow, turning from the behavior, clear life change (2 Corinthians 7:10–11; Matthew 3:8)—the daughter is no longer “open to the charge.” There is no visible, ongoing public testimony of “wild living” (no babies, no pregnancies walking around). The household does not carry an active, observable reproach that outsiders or the congregation can point to (1 Timothy 3:7). Therefore, the elder’s “above reproach” status and proven household management are not violated in the present tense. The father meets the qualification right now.
Conservative biblical interpreters consistently emphasize that the Titus/1 Timothy language targets current, flagrant, public patterns of rebellion or immorality, not every past (even repeated) sin once repented of and no longer characterizing the child. • 3 episodes each yielding a carried baby (still visible consequences during qualification):
Even with full confession and claimed repentance for all three, the visible babies (especially the third one she is still carrying or has recently had) keep the pattern publicly observable. The church and outsiders can see the repeated outcome of sexual immorality. This leaves the daughter “open to the charge of debauchery” in the present, raising legitimate questions about whether the household has been managed in a way that produces submissive, non-scandalizing fruit right now. The delay is required until enough time passes with sustained repentance and no further visible reproach—so the children are clearly not open to that charge.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Allie Beth Stuckey@conservmillen·
After huge backlash over her husband @trevorsheatz’s post, @ashleysheatz responds with her reaction and her testimony—in her own words. Full interview, as well as my thoughts on those who insist on calling her a wh*re:
Allie Beth Stuckey@conservmillen

.@TrevorSheatz and @AshleySheatz went viral this week after Trevor shared part of Ashley’s testimony on X, which included a mention of her pre-conversion sexual promiscuity. The backlash was massive, not just from non-believers, but from Christians and conservatives, too. People denigrated Ashley’s looks and mocked Trevor for humiliating his wife. But the critics have it all wrong. Ashley joins me to set the story straight — and to give a detailed testimony of her life before and after Christ. God saved her out of the New Age, drug addiction, and demonic oppression, into a new life in Jesus. Tune in tonight. May God be glorified.

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A way to test this is to set a hypothetical. @AshleySheatz hypothetical father at the period of her pattern is seeking to become a pastor at a southern baptist church. Would this hold @tomascol @RayComfort @joe_rigney @GundenGraham @pastordmack @ostrachan @drmoore @Katy_Faust @LizzieMarbach @douglaswils @albertmohler @kangminlee @NeilShenvi The Bible’s standard turns on whether the children are presently “open to the charge” of debauchery (asōtia — reckless, dissolute, wild living, including sexual promiscuity; see Luke 15:13 for the prodigal’s “reckless living”) or insubordination. This is a public, observable reputation test, not a private sin-count or hidden ledger. • 10 episodes with 10 abortions (or 10 episodes with no pregnancies), fully confessed and currently repentant:
The sin (fornication + the grave sin of abortion) is confessed to the appropriate parties (God, and to the church if it has become known). Once genuine repentance is evident—godly sorrow, turning from the behavior, clear life change (2 Corinthians 7:10–11; Matthew 3:8)—the daughter is no longer “open to the charge.” There is no visible, ongoing public testimony of “wild living” (no babies, no pregnancies walking around). The household does not carry an active, observable reproach that outsiders or the congregation can point to (1 Timothy 3:7). Therefore, the elder’s “above reproach” status and proven household management are not violated in the present tense. The father meets the qualification right now.
Conservative biblical interpreters consistently emphasize that the Titus/1 Timothy language targets current, flagrant, public patterns of rebellion or immorality, not every past (even repeated) sin once repented of and no longer characterizing the child. • 3 episodes each yielding a carried baby (still visible consequences during qualification):
Even with full confession and claimed repentance for all three, the visible babies (especially the third one she is still carrying or has recently had) keep the pattern publicly observable. The church and outsiders can see the repeated outcome of sexual immorality. This leaves the daughter “open to the charge of debauchery” in the present, raising legitimate questions about whether the household has been managed in a way that produces submissive, non-scandalizing fruit right now. The delay is required until enough time passes with sustained repentance and no further visible reproach—so the children are clearly not open to that charge.
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A way to test this is to set a hypothetical. @AshleySheatz hypothetical father at the period of her pattern is seeking to become a pastor at a southern baptist church. Would this hold @tomascol @RayComfort @joe_rigney @GundenGraham @pastordmack @ostrachan @drmoore @Katy_Faust @LizzieMarbach @douglaswils @albertmohler @kangminlee @NeilShenvi The Bible’s standard turns on whether the children are presently “open to the charge” of debauchery (asōtia — reckless, dissolute, wild living, including sexual promiscuity; see Luke 15:13 for the prodigal’s “reckless living”) or insubordination. This is a public, observable reputation test, not a private sin-count or hidden ledger. • 10 episodes with 10 abortions (or 10 episodes with no pregnancies), fully confessed and currently repentant:
The sin (fornication + the grave sin of abortion) is confessed to the appropriate parties (God, and to the church if it has become known). Once genuine repentance is evident—godly sorrow, turning from the behavior, clear life change (2 Corinthians 7:10–11; Matthew 3:8)—the daughter is no longer “open to the charge.” There is no visible, ongoing public testimony of “wild living” (no babies, no pregnancies walking around). The household does not carry an active, observable reproach that outsiders or the congregation can point to (1 Timothy 3:7). Therefore, the elder’s “above reproach” status and proven household management are not violated in the present tense. The father meets the qualification right now.
Conservative biblical interpreters consistently emphasize that the Titus/1 Timothy language targets current, flagrant, public patterns of rebellion or immorality, not every past (even repeated) sin once repented of and no longer characterizing the child. • 3 episodes each yielding a carried baby (still visible consequences during qualification):
Even with full confession and claimed repentance for all three, the visible babies (especially the third one she is still carrying or has recently had) keep the pattern publicly observable. The church and outsiders can see the repeated outcome of sexual immorality. This leaves the daughter “open to the charge of debauchery” in the present, raising legitimate questions about whether the household has been managed in a way that produces submissive, non-scandalizing fruit right now. The delay is required until enough time passes with sustained repentance and no further visible reproach—so the children are clearly not open to that charge.
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Ashley Sheatz@AshleySheatz·
My interview with Allie Beth Stuckey (@conservmillen) is LIVE. We go into - My testimony (how I became a Christian) - Was I actually okay with Trevor posting this? - Why I am not ashamed of my past anymore and the hope of the gospel youtu.be/sOwWrXAnDE8?si…
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GSchultz, Honest weights & equal measure
A way to test this is to set a hypothetical. @AshleySheatz hypothetical father at the period of her pattern is seeking to become a pastor at a southern baptist church. Would this hold @tomascol @RayComfort @joe_rigney @GundenGraham @pastordmack @ostrachan @drmoore @Katy_Faust @LizzieMarbach @douglaswils @albertmohler @kangminlee @NeilShenvi The Bible’s standard turns on whether the children are presently “open to the charge” of debauchery (asōtia — reckless, dissolute, wild living, including sexual promiscuity; see Luke 15:13 for the prodigal’s “reckless living”) or insubordination. This is a public, observable reputation test, not a private sin-count or hidden ledger. • 10 episodes with 10 abortions (or 10 episodes with no pregnancies), fully confessed and currently repentant:
The sin (fornication + the grave sin of abortion) is confessed to the appropriate parties (God, and to the church if it has become known). Once genuine repentance is evident—godly sorrow, turning from the behavior, clear life change (2 Corinthians 7:10–11; Matthew 3:8)—the daughter is no longer “open to the charge.” There is no visible, ongoing public testimony of “wild living” (no babies, no pregnancies walking around). The household does not carry an active, observable reproach that outsiders or the congregation can point to (1 Timothy 3:7). Therefore, the elder’s “above reproach” status and proven household management are not violated in the present tense. The father meets the qualification right now.
Conservative biblical interpreters consistently emphasize that the Titus/1 Timothy language targets current, flagrant, public patterns of rebellion or immorality, not every past (even repeated) sin once repented of and no longer characterizing the child. • 3 episodes each yielding a carried baby (still visible consequences during qualification):
Even with full confession and claimed repentance for all three, the visible babies (especially the third one she is still carrying or has recently had) keep the pattern publicly observable. The church and outsiders can see the repeated outcome of sexual immorality. This leaves the daughter “open to the charge of debauchery” in the present, raising legitimate questions about whether the household has been managed in a way that produces submissive, non-scandalizing fruit right now. The delay is required until enough time passes with sustained repentance and no further visible reproach—so the children are clearly not open to that charge.
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PropheticPatriarch ♱
PropheticPatriarch ♱@HeraldOfPurity·
Professing Christian men who: 1) hate on women for their sinful pasts, shame and attack their testimonies, even when those women have had a radical change of heart since coming to Christ 2) downplay the moral harm of their own porn consumption and the damage it causes, or even justify its use, and blame women for their own sexual sins, 3) boast about their own superiority and talk about virgin women as if they're some sort of sexual reward they're entitled to They don't come across as men worthy of either salvation or marriage, since that attitude is wholly incompatible with what the Christian Gospel represents and with what a healthy relationship with both God and other people requires.
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