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2017 Nick Foles equals 1990 Jeff Hostetler. Don't @ me (I'm off twitter).
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Brik City ️
@briks42
Hey man, I’m just one of twelve. 2013, 2016, 2023. “We’ll all know. We’ll all know.” sick my Rick Rick Djokovic
Se unió Eylül 2011
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@podoffame @bball_ref First ten years of each. And their era adjusted efg% was actually exactly the same. League average 100 for both. Nice to be on great teams.
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@stephfrom3_ @rieszspieces Brown was -23 in that series. Without brown they were +43. No matter what sample you pick for the guy, the team was better without him. I’m a Sixers fan. George owned him. You guys robbed us. Be happy.
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@rieszspieces I really hate that everyone is blaming Jaylen for that loss man. Tatum played 6 games as the first option, Derrick white who everyone says is better than him shot 30/21 splits and got his faced fried off Pritchard was a brick and JB had to guard Embiid cuz Quetta was hacking
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did we forget that jaylen brown first option hoops just blew a 3-1 lead to the sixers
kang@jaycaspiankang
the eval of JB basically comes down to 1. we should trust the numbers on him 2. but he won a ton of games as a high usage player. maybe we're missing something? 3. if the playoffs are about whose a bitch and who isn't, he's not a bitch just find a way to keep him.
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@SamQuinnCBS Jaylen was dog shit in the Sixers series as they blew a 3-1 lead. Paul George easily outplayed him.
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I'm sure there are regular-season models that say all this stuff, but the disconnect for me is once you get to the playoffs and the game simplifies to the point where it's almost "can you get a bucket and guard your man?" Jaylen does that stuff better than the analytics darlings.
NBACentral@TheDunkCentral
An anonymous NBA general manager doesn’t view Jaylen Brown as a top-50 player, per @TheAthletic “Though the idea of him being viewed as the seventh-best player on a given team was widely mocked, a recent report that one front-office member saw Brown in that way illuminated the reality that advanced analytics never shined too brightly on Brown’s game. Even more pointedly, a current general manager, speaking anonymously to comment on internal team discussions, told The Athletic in the wake of the trade that he doesn’t view Brown as a top-50 player in the NBA.” (Via nytimes.com/athletic/74183…)
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@Jumpshot8 @D_West30 You thought Julius Randle was the reason the Knicks were good. Traded him and won a title.
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First off, someone with first hand experience is considered a primary source, they should be cited. Secondly, is he saying that Jaylen Browns contributions to the team this season (28 7 5) didnt drive the teams success?? So without him they would have been better??
NBA Base@TheNBABase
An anonymous NBA GM on the Jaylen Brown trade “This is a classic case of the credit goes to the guy who scores but they're not driving team success. There's guys like this all over the league, the difference is he's not at $40M... he's at $60M. It's really hard to tie up that much money in your salary cap for one player unless they're truly generational, and he's not even close to that. Also, the league is getting smarter now. And here's the thing: the dumb teams are the cheap teams.” (Via @BannedMacMahon)
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@Jumpshot8 @briks42 @D_West30 it’s been a decade straight of the Celtics out scoring the opponents by more when he’s off the court than when he’s on it, even when controlling for garbage time, who he plays with, or any other excuse you can make.
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@jesse210spurs @agoldman79 @PhillyPMC His team was better without him on court than with him over the entirety of his ten year career.
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@agoldman79 @PhillyPMC And bench units can create big swings against bench units with ball movement and system points.
But when exposed to other team’s scouting reports and prioritization, you get diminishing returns — where Jaylen is a constant against most situations for longer sample sizes.
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I disagree with this take, but I think some people are missing the reference to Rudy Gay. 20 years ago when analytics first took the NBA by storm, the analytics crowd said Rudy Gay was overrated. He was a high volume, low efficiency two point shooter. Old school hoopers scoffed at the idea. Turns out the analytics crowd was right, and Gay’s contributions to winning was vastly overstated.
Fast forward 20 years and a new wave of analytics are emerging that have called Jaylen Brown’s contributions to winning in doubt. Hence the comments from the random GM that Brown was the 7th best player, and comments like this ⬇️
To be clear, I think there is no credible argument to compare Brown to Gay, especially given Brown’s versatility and defensive abilities. We have jumped the shark analyzing players; the analytics crowd — once the outsiders pointing out the flaws in how the old guard evaluates players — have become the old guard themselves, and are impervious to recognizing the limitations of their approach.
Brown is an elite player. He contributes significantly towards winning, and he solves a major area of need for the Sixers. This was a win — unquestionably — for the Sixers.
Raheem Palmer@iamrahstradamus
There's a real chance Jaylen Brown could just be Rudy Gay who just so happened to play on a team that had great coaching structure and enough pieces around him for him to be successful & Brad Stevens was ahead of the curve...........OR the advanced metrics simply aren't measuring him properly & the league as a whole is wrong about him. I can't call it right now but I can't wait to see how it plays out. My gut feel is that PG13 was a more portable player & I'm not sure how Maxey, VJ, Brown and Embiid will fit together and they're probably a 2nd round exit, again.
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@TheRecusant_ @Steviesocali @D_West30 I was showing the % for everything to be consistent. You seem angry
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@briks42 @Steviesocali @D_West30 Ok so they won against shit teams without him — what does that prove?
Also cute you included the % for the 9-2 like we can’t do math.
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@D_West30 @Steviesocali @TheRecusant_ I’d imagine they’d have come a little short of that but close based on what we’ve seen them do without him in smaller sample. Brown obviously helps a team. But the issue is whether that much help at 60-65 mil a year plus good draft picks is worth it.
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@briks42 @Steviesocali @TheRecusant_ Ok so without Jaylen Brown you are telling me a Derrick White, Peyton Pritchard led team can win more than 56 games??
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@Steviesocali @TheRecusant_ @D_West30 In the non brown games they went 9-2 (.818) with their opponents total win % being .467.
In the brown games they went 47-21 (.661) with their opponents total win % being .496.
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@maxeysznn The issue isn’t Maxey. It’s that if you try to make Jaylen your on ball guy, he just dribbles for 20 seconds and jacks up bad twos.
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What??? Maxey is one of the best off ball players in the entire world
He didn't have opportunities to play off ball last the past 2 yrs cuz our team hasn't had a table setting point guard since Harden (Maxey was forced to fill that role and play onball)
c4 ☘️@c4Bostonn
Embiid/Brown/Maxey fit genuinely makes no sense fit wise None of those chuds can play offball
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@Harrison_Grimm It’s either the clippers OR the Sixers 2028 first being top 5 or the 2031 Sixers being top 5. It’s really 3 chances. I don’t think the George to brown upgrade is worth that risk. If they get Lebron on minimum because of it I’ll change my mind. If they extend brown I’ll be sick.
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Without getting too in the weeds, the Jaylen Brown move boils down to one question: would you rather bet on a 29 year old Jaylen Brown improving or maintaining his All-NBA production from last season, or on a 36 year old Paul George? Either way, you’re paying a ton of money.
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@Harrison_Grimm I’m talking about drafting the superstar with those picks
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@iamrahstradamus I called him shareef abdur Raheem if he’d been lucky enough to be on great teams. Same idea.
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There's a real chance Jaylen Brown could just be Rudy Gay who just so happened to play on a team that had great coaching structure and enough pieces around him for him to be successful & Brad Stevens was ahead of the curve...........OR the advanced metrics simply aren't measuring him properly & the league as a whole is wrong about him. I can't call it right now but I can't wait to see how it plays out.
My gut feel is that PG13 was a more portable player & I'm not sure how Maxey, VJ, Brown and Embiid will fit together and they're probably a 2nd round exit, again.
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@AmericanNumbers You have brain damage if you think the Sixers would trade Embiid and VJ for Davis.
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Heh. Ahead of the curve again.
Tayill@TayKZY
@AmericanNumbers @DrLarryYACHT & company discussed Lebron to Philly today on the show. A huge potential appeal for Lebron would be giving the max extension to Klutch client AD. Embiid & VJ for AD makes a lot of sense. Simons can fill in for VJ's minutes redcircle.com/shows/48d08359…
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@EliSkaljac It’s actually not numbers vs eye test. It’s numbers vs numbers. His fans just point to points per game and team wins. His detractors point to advanced stats. His eye test sucks. He can’t dribble and pushes off and jacks bad shots.
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I might write an article on this. This Jaylen Brown pendulum is actually insane. People are on totally different sides, and it really depends on whether you believe the numbers or not. Sometimes your eyes mislead you. And sometimes PPG does not equal impact. But it’s clear what the GMs around the league think. Interesting times.
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Context: According to StatMuse here’s the truth behind the numbers.
In the 2022–23
season they went 11–4 without Brown. BUT the combined winning percentage of those teams were .373.
In the 2023–24 season Boston went 12–0 without Jaylen. BUT the combined winning percentage of those teams was .338.
I can keep going, but the point is that they’re blowing that dog whistle with biased and dishonest analytics.
Ball Don’t Lie@Balldontlie
An interesting stat from Yahoo Sports' @tomhaberstroh about what the Celtics have looked like without Jaylen Brown on the court 🤔 More: yhoo.it/4ffKwok
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Allen Iverson is a really interesting comp. They're very different sorts of players and they played in very different leagues but the basic concept of "surface level awesome, more doubts come into play the more you dig" certainly applies.
Raheem Palmer@iamrahstradamus
Philly fans are happy and yet @FDSportsbook still has Boston’s odds to win the Eastern Conference right behind the Knicks & the 76ers behind the Pistons and Raptors. Seems like Jaylen Brown’s value might be one of the most divisive player evaluations ever, since maybe Allen Iverson.
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