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Jason Optional

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Katılım Şubat 2024
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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@kcoryjones @JustinMeas72414 @PearlKevinPrice @bing_TX It’s as crazy as going to your grave denying Fanny was the first wife of Joe, but Emma knew it since day one and still did. Made her son believe the Holy Spirit called him to usurp Young’s office. But tell me what people will and won’t do and why…
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k cory jones@kcoryjones·
@JustinMeas72414 @PearlKevinPrice @bing_TX It's a crazy as a guy that went up a mountain and talked to a burning bush. Or a carpenter's son saying he was the God of Abraham. There's the problem of the actual book, too, the way it came about, from who, witnesses of it..
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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@stackerco And only the words of the enemies to go by! If only a single saint had written a journal entry about it, we could have known if the rules of D&C 101 at the time were followed. Why didn’t anyone ask Levi what it was like officiating the first sealing of a family? Odd
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Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen@SUNANDSAND4EVER·
@Faustzme Notice it says "Most Frequently Cited Issues", which, as every LDS knows, means excuses to blame the Church for their already sinful behavior. Sin always precedes the fall. These other "issues" are always excuses.
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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@LukeFHan Ben Shapiro has a soft spot for sleazy DUI lawyers. There was a time when being like that brought such open shame to the church apostle’s would be excommunicated for acting like that. He got drunks out of DUI punishments. How many went on to ‘not learn their lesson’ and BAM!!!
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Luke Hanson
Luke Hanson@LukeFHan·
I've been informed Daily Wire hates Mormons, so why are they giving a Mormon an audience of 2.3 million?
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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@RavnReborn @stackerco @shalkie @T_M_Mystic @Primary_Pianist his excommunication. What a sordid web those true church apostles weave. I wonder if this is what James and John, and Peter and Andrew were like. Fraud and adultery accusations, sleezy lawyering and more. Jesus said you'd know them by their love for one another...
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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@RavnReborn @stackerco @shalkie @T_M_Mystic @Primary_Pianist Or poisoned Joe twice, if you can believe anything Young said. He also said she was brought before a secret combination of church elders and it wasn't recorded. Funny enough, Young claimed Oliver was secretly abusing plural marriage before Joe even, and that is what led to --
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The Primary Pianist
The Primary Pianist@Primary_Pianist·
“Affair” did not mean what it means today and a sexual dalliance is not what Cowdery was referring to in this letter.
1776@The2nd1776

Oliver Cowdery, an original witness to the BOM and the first councilor to Joseph Smith, stated that Smith was involved in an affair with Fanny Alger who worked for the Smith family as a nanny. She is stated to have been about 16 at the time. Cowdery was excommunicated by the LDS "church" for publicly speaking against Smith's "affair" at the time. LDS excommunication records still exist which list witnesses to Cowdery's statements. Also, there is a copy of Cowdery's letter to his brother describing the dirty, nasty, filthy affair with Fanny Alger in a museum that certain LDS scholars recognize as legitimate because it is in the family book of letters owned by the Cowdery family. Of course, many modern Mormons will hem and haw about the letter, but Oliver's excommunication for the exact same topic confirms the letter as accurate. None this evidence matters to most Mormons because they do not care if Joseph was a false prophet or not. His teachings are what they have decided to follow, the club they are in satisfies them and they will risk their eternity on the church's teachings. It has also been declared by some LDS husbands that even though they have issues with Joseph and the church, they fear the struggle with their wives if they were to start considering the consequences of leaving the "church", so they eat the fruit that is handed to them and accept the eternal consequences.

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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@surskitmaxxing @stackerco Such an odd hill to die on, that Joe produced no seed, even though the command was for a seed to be raised. What happened to his real seed anyway? Oh, they denied his polygamy and apostatized! I wonder if Fanny and Joe's kids would have done that?
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Rajah Manchou of Vorito@surskitmaxxing·
@stackerco As long as he didn’t explicitly say “made love to” or “kissed,” apologists would find a way to deny it against the plain reading. Even if he did, they’d find a way to deny it
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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@ThoughtfulSaint If the church was like the church of old, Wade would have been the topic of Todd’s general conference. But here we are…
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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@ThoughtfulSaint Young would rail on the saints about what Oliver did regarding ‘sealings’, or what Emma flavored Joe’s coffee with, or how he found out 15 years later that an apostle was preaching and believed the atonement isn’t necessary for salvation. What a church. yeah, that’s in the past.
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The Toe
The Toe@Bigtoe88·
@FDJTALLDAMNDAY @pattonoswalt @colbertlateshow Some are Some aren’t I didn’t say it was either one in this case But, yes…obviously this one worked and started one of the biggest world builds and beloved series ever.
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Patton Oswalt
Patton Oswalt@pattonoswalt·
Should never have tried to debate the King on anything Tolkien. Thanks for being a home to nerds everywhere, @colbertlateshow.
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Raul of Mustachio
Raul of Mustachio@raulofmustachio·
Your obsession with Mormonism and inability to put it down is a tell, and yet another evidence in support of our faith. One doesn't get preoccupied with nonsense. By obsessing over our theology, you acknowledge you can't intellectually push it over. And it should be easy to ignore if it wasn't the work of God but rather the dumb fantasy of a farm boy Intense opposition often signals fear, insecurity, or recognition of an idea’s power. “All truth passes through three stages: first, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; third, it is accepted as self‑evident.” (Arthur Schopenhauer.) The “violent opposition” stage is a sign that the idea has become too threatening to ignore. What cannot be easily refuted is not quickly abandoned.
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Rajah Manchou of Vorito
Rajah Manchou of Vorito@surskitmaxxing·
If Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet, how do you explain the bad apologetics that me and and my fellow hobbyists think are really convincing? No, we haven't validated them through any academic institutions or anything, but... look at the parallels!!
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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@Kintsugijin highest celestial heaven since she they were second anointed, meanwhile, you are on the brink of Son of Perdition territory even though JF Smith stated Judas didn't even get there...
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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@Kintsugijin he was doing' when he sealed Fanny 8 years before Emma, and not even according to the law set out in D&C 101(before it was removed...) Don't worry though, Emma and Joe's children all denied it happened at all, and they personally witnessed several and they think she's up in --
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Kintsugijin
Kintsugijin@Kintsugijin·
Pres. Gordon B. Hinkley in 1998: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy….. ….that the practice of plural marriage should be discontinued, which means that it is now against the law of God. Even in countries where civil or religious law allows polygamy, the Church teaches that marriage must be monogamous and does not accept into its membership those practicing plural marriage.” It was never about US law as the restraint. I stand with Pres. Hinkley. churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-…
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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@stackerco @Primary_Pianist @grok It's used about 800 times in the Bible, the main source of his fanfic. It'd be like questioning why Dumbledore's eyes twinkle in 'Harry Potter and the putrid pottage', my Harry Potter fanfic. Sheesh
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Stacker
Stacker@stackerco·
@Primary_Pianist @grok was “and it came to pass” used in other mound builder myth literature like view of the Hebrews and other 19th century publications down the Late War?
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The Primary Pianist
The Primary Pianist@Primary_Pianist·
One of my favorite Book of Mormon reversals is “and it came to pass.” For decades critics have mocked it as lazy filler text proving Joseph Smith was a bad writer. Then scholars studying ancient oral-formulaic traditions and deciphered ancient texts (including Mayan narrative structures) increasingly found repetitive connective phrases are extremely common in ancient records. Turns out: “And it came to pass” is much more at home in ancient narrative traditions than in polished modern novels. The thing critics mocked as evidence of fraud increasingly looks like evidence of antiquity. In addition, one of the major "discoveries" in deciphering the Mayan glyphs was finding "and it came to pass" glyphs all over the place.
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Jason Optional
Jason Optional@Nitterghost·
@cipherapex @Kintsugijin @EinsiedlerKreb @ThoughtfulSaint True, she denied polygamy in her heart, and it led to Joe being killed. How, you don't ask? God knew that by having Joe be martyred, not only would it 'destroy' Emma, as it drove her into heretical apostasy(see also 1 Cor 5:5) but... It also satisfies the question of why --
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Thoughtful-Faith
Thoughtful-Faith@ThoughtfulSaint·
There were two LDS branches in 1847. One polygamist. The other was not. (RLDS) Guess which one won? God commanded the restoration of plural marriage or a time to raise up a righteous generation to lay the foundation of his work in modern times.
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