@Billionaire_33@bannedpastor How can this be future:
"Then God will pour out His Spirit onto the Jewish People in the Last Days"
When Peter says the outpouring and last days was happening to them in Acts 2?
@TruthSynod@bannedpastor Ok, so what is your exact question? I just want a basis to see what you are hoping to learn, and if I can provide an adequate answer.
Can this popular Christian author and radio host be trusted. Ken Ham and Dr. Terry Mortenson respond to Dr. Eric Metaxas’ and Hugh Ross’ controversial statements about the biblical flood.
@TruthSynod@shane_VANS@YahwehGraced@nathancoxey Colossians 2:14 ESV
14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
@TruthSynod@whosearprepper@YahwehGraced@nathancoxey There were 2 torahs at this time, and still kind of are. One, the Torah given by God, the Law. And the other made by the Jewish sects like talmud and kabbala and mishna, they also claimed these were Torah like they still do today. I'll post my version, maybe it'll help.
@shane_VANS@whosearprepper@YahwehGraced@nathancoxey This is also interesting. According to Paul, it seems they were abolished or in the process of it.
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might create the two into one new man, making peace
— Ephesians 2:15
@TruthSynod@whosearprepper@YahwehGraced@nathancoxey Begs the question, will heaven and earth ever pass away? We see in the Kingdom that the Law is still being kept and that the Levites are returned. Also sin cannot exist in the presence of the Father, if we are keeping the Law perfectly, we may not need it like we do now.
@TruthSynod@whosearprepper@YahwehGraced@nathancoxey "Do not think I came to destroy (get rid of) the Torah or the Prophets, I did not come to destroy but to complete (fulfill, or embody)... ~Not one letter shall pass from the Torah till heaven and earth pass away"
It's cut and dry, the Law given to man by God stands forever.
Jesus forgave sins before dying on the cross. So why was the crucifixion necessary? There seems to be more evidence that Jesus’ death had an agenda than that it was for the forgiveness of sins.
It’s time for Israel to fully reclaim the Temple Mount, restore complete Jewish sovereignty over Judaism’s holiest site, and begin preparing for the rebuilding of the Third Temple and the coming of Messiah.
@TruthSynod@F3_Haskell@SawtelleAn5682 Hosea is a prophet so you are blaspheming God, reducing divine inspiration to the mental output of the flesh nature of men...
Many Christians are seething and many are sputtering jibberish since my post. And it demonstrates the fine tuning of designed Christianity. So I'm gonna post it again. Please repost as much as possible.
P1: If Christianity is true, Jesus cannot lie.
P2: Jesus stated he would return before his contemporaries died.
P3: Jesus did not return before his contemporaries died.
C: Christianity is not true.
P1: A biblical prediction is either a literal prophecy or a metaphor.
P2: If it is a literal prophecy, it failed (which makes Jesus mistaken).
P3: If it is a metaphor, it is not an actual prophecy (which invalidates the prophetic claim).
P4: Jesus cannot be mistaken, and his prophetic claims cannot be invalid.
C: The Christian theological position is self-contradictory.
@Billionaire_33@bannedpastor But wasn't it Jews in Acts 2, such as Peter?
And he said it was the last days.
but this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel:
‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says,
‘That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind;
— Acts 2:16-17
@TruthSynod@bannedpastor That was at the beginning of the Age of Grace when people of the Nations (Gentiles) begin getting the Spirit. Apostle Paul teaches that there is a partial hardening on Israel's Hearts now. They will be saved in the last days.
@bannedpastor *checks notes*
They are waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles to be filled. Then God will pour out His Spirit onto the Jewish People in the Last Days and save them all. Right before their, and our, Messiah returns.
It has all been prophesied.
@F3_Haskell@njthemarksman@SawtelleAn5682 Hosea 6 is really interesting to consider.
Verses 1-3 seem to be the presumptuous words of unfaithful Ephraim and Judah.
Why would people still be guessing?!??!! No one will know. But keep trying to figure out God’s plan. I’m sure he’ll appreciate it.
Partial preterism (which aligns with historic Catholic and much Protestant teaching) does not claim Jesus returned bodily in AD 70. That’s full preterism, rejected as heresy. The Olivet Discourse uses OT “coming on the clouds” language for divine judgment on Israel/Temple, fulfilled literally when Rome destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple exactly as described (this generation did not pass). The final bodily Second Coming, 1st Resurrection, and end of the age remain future. Hosea 6:2 is poetic restoration language, not a 3000 AD calendar. Stick to primary texts over modern speculation.
@Optilous@DillonMora76253@osasisHERESY Thanks. I agree that it was those who had faith in Christ that were the heirs of the promise.
I see Israel being saved through the remnant:
“Though the number of the sons of Israel be like the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved
— Romans 9:27
I see those those who believed at the time Paul was writing as the remnant.
Rom 9:8 That is, the children of the flesh are not the children of God, but the children of the promise are considered as seed.
The debate centres around whether Israel (the natural descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) are counted as this seed(whether faithful or unfaithful)
How could this be so if Paul says to both Jews and Gentiles that -
Gal 3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.
So many zionist Christians think Romans 11:28 is talking about all of Israel and the Jewish people as a whole and they apply this part of the verse to them "but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes"
That's not what this verse is saying
It's breaking it down into unbelieving jews who oppose the gospel (As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes) and the remnant of jews who believed in the gospel at the time Paul wrote Romans (but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes)
The "they are beloved for the fathers sakes" in this verse is talking about the remnant who believed then and not a future mass conversion of all jews in the future that is wrongly taught by zionists and dispensationalists
The second half of verse 28 is talking about the remnant who believed in Christ at that present time
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace
When you read all of Romans 11 and whats being taught all throughout the new testament that God's people are those in Christ and are not those who reject Him then you won't pull verses out of context like Romans 11:28 or any other verse in Romans 11 for that matter
@Optilous@DillonMora76253@osasisHERESY Can we say that within old covenant Israel there were faithful and unfaithful? So both parties were in the same Israel?
But what does the divine response say to him? “I have left for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
— Romans 11:4
It becomes an issue when we assume this 'fullness' of the Gentiles (Nations) is a number they reach some time way off in the future.
You say - "Paul is referring to the same group being both enemies of the gospel and beloved by God regarding election, on account of their fathers."
Paul goes on to say the gifts and callings of God are irrevocable (you say - to this same group)
Ok, then what happened to them in 70 A.D?
@TruthSynod@MDHensley5@FrCyril_D I'm done speaking to you.
You're too conceited and prideful and ignore Paul's warning in Romans 11:20-21 and nothing I say is going to change this.
If your church does not use incense, why not?
"For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down, My name shall be great among the Gentiles; In every place incense shall be offered to My name, And a pure offering; For My name shall be great among the nations,” Says the LORD of hosts." Malachi 1:11
Of course the pure offering is the Eucharist.
@VFalt687@MDHensley5@FrCyril_D Is the physical land seen or unseen? Paul focuses on what's important 💪
while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.
— 2 Corinthians 4:18
@TruthSynod@MDHensley5@FrCyril_D And therefore somehow that means God's covenant promise to the Jews, including the promise to the land and the nation of Israel which he explicitly said was eternal, no longer applies somehow. Again, you make God a liar.