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@Dreamboum Is this with any mods or anything? Looks way more colorful than I remember, in a good way

The world of Final Fantasy XII

@AdamCastleberr5 @Detective_Roo Yeah, even the guy at Digital Foundry who hates AI admitted that the lighting was much better than path tracing in this scene.

@Detective_Roo Is the AI slop in the room with us? All I see is major improvements...

Nvidia is pushing AI slop into video games, but ironically AI is also inflating PC component prices, making it harder to even play the stuff they’re pushing.

@theGermany @astaranx He's not talking about people disliking the results, he's talking about their misinformed takes on what it's actually doing.

@astaranx Calling someone an ignorant for subjectively not liking something it's a new level of piece of 💩

“Most People Bashing DLSS 5 Are on the Peak of Ignorance” – Veteran Game Artist Shows Exactly How Much of a Difference Lighting Can Make wccftech.com/dlss-5-veteran…

@sankhamsd007 @salvii06 Yeah if this fixes some of the scenes looking pitch black on PC I'll replay the entire game with this mod.

@salvii06 Broooooooooooooooooooooooo Please give me the link of this mod… I’ve been using like 30mods in flagrum also used early lightning mod but this one looks wayyy better!!!!

Final Fantasy XV Luminous

@maximilian_ Or alternatively, a character artist who worked on one of the games that was demoed and isn't hiding behind anonymity. wccftech.com/dlss-5-veteran…

Heh

@Exicide_ @nib95_ Then why is it still in the ray traced graphics? I believe the path tracing is just running too heavy of a noise reduction algorithm that kills it.

@shadowstripes @nib95_ No it doesn't. There shouldn't be rain on her face in this scene anymore iirc because she's inside at this point and has been for a while. That is if I'm thinking of the correct scene.

Resident Evil Requiem uses path traced lighting, which is THE gold standard in lighting accuracy. If DLSS 5 offers more accurate lighting, why is it showing such drastically different lighting results vs path tracing, which is already accurate? 🤔 Is DLSS 5 potentially highly stylising, glamourising or dramatising the lighting for added impact, at the cost of authenticity and accuracy? Again, we're seeing completely different lighting in areas vs a path traced game; shadowed areas now much brighter and more specular, often losing the moody atmosphere you'd expect from an overcast, wet, glum day with low light and a train track overhead limiting light further, different facial lighting with a weird glow around faces too, new highlights on hair, faces etc. My suspicion is that like with faces, DLSS 5 isn't actually necessarily always more accurate, but instead averaging to what it thinks might be, based on its LLM/data parameters. Thus ironically potentially exaggerating lighting in areas, to being less, not more accurate, and losing some artistic value while doing so. Perhaps @digitalfoundry could answer or investigate. In other non path traced games, differences in lighting are naturally more stark, where with games like Starfield, entire shadows from clothing disappear with DLSS 5, like from the cap in this video example.

@Genki_JPN Right, and all you need is the unlimited budget of Kojima...

No DLSS 5 needed #DeathStranding2

@ThePSButton Reminds more of path tracing

El mal gusto también avanza tecnológicamente.

@Lord_Negatron Looks a lot more realistic than whatever path tracing is doing here that makes her look like a porcelain doll.

DLSS 5 isn’t changing the image, just the lighting. Adjusting the lighting is what’s making those “realistic” looking images. Some will say this is an AI filter…

@Goga_indeSaints @MSlupko @lgriao And how would you describe her skin in the middle image that has literally no texture at all?

@MSlupko @lgriao A pior imagem que parece que tem pele de plástico? Hahah vai num oculista irmão

Tem que ser muito ignorante para não estar impressionado com o DLSS 5.

@MSlupko @lgriao A ring light wouldn't case a sideways shadow from her nose like this. It would literally remove that shadow completely.

@lgriao a melhor imagem é com ray tracing. Sem contar que esse DLSS 5 faz com que tenha um ring light na frente de todos os personagens

@StormslayerDev They already specified that the intensity can be adjusted by devs, and also masked off from certain elements. So it's literally not all-or-nothing at all.

My main issue with DLSS5 beyond its uniform, art-sterilizing algorithm is its adding zero value over existing tech. We don’t need to cut pieces out and adjust transparency. It’s an all-or-nothing package: it takes the performance hit and must run at 100% strength. There's no meaningful “in-between.” Traditional upscaling, HDR filtering, and artist-configurable post-processing already deliver flexible, more powerful, performance friendly results that devs and users can precisely tune. DLSS5 have yet to match that control or quality when artists actually get what they want. Judge it the same way as any other tech, turn it to 100%, let it fully transform the image, and see if most people agree it looks great. Right now it fails that test. It can’t be diluted, they need to go back to the drawing board, it needs to be completely redone.

@RuzhyoX @StormslayerDev Yeah, they literally said that the dev kit gives artists the option to adjust the intensity of the effect.

@StormslayerDev How do you know it can’t be scaled up/down? It seems like an obvious setting to provide and would be trivial to implement.

@D10CAP @joanplanas I would say path tracing is the "flat" one here. x.com/analistadebits…

@joanplanas Sisi espectacular como brilla todo exageradamente, como las sombras dejan de existir por arte de magia y como nada tiene profundidad ni cariño. Todo plano y sin gracia..

Pues con este video queda cerrado el debate sobre DLSS 5 de NVIDIA. Es ESPECTACULAR el cambio, en el minuto 7 escuchad como los invitados sueltan un UAUH! Que les sale del alma cundo hacen el cambio a DLSS 5 en la cara de un personaje. BRUTAL ❤️

@frozenkex @oliemack Because filming off a TV at a different frame rate never causes issues...

@oliemack great for screenshots

Here's some of the DLSS 5 material we saw in the demos but didn't get a chance to film. Here I think you can see the strengths of DLSS 5 - reflections become much more attractive. Starfield doesn't have great lighting to begin with, so the differences can be profound.

@xPXGx @oliemack It's not a journalists job to "read the room" instead of reporting objectively.

@oliemack Man... Holy shit. Read the room. People hate this and rightfully so. It's a glorified AI filter. No self-respecting artist wants this crap destroying and undermining their work. I can't believe you think this looks good or think it's healthy for game development.

@PeterP_1985 @nib95_ It does better in some places than others. Like how it loses the effect on rain on her face in other scenes. x.com/analistadebits…

@nib95_ Path Traced Grace. Looks phenomenal imo

@opinali @AncientGameplay @AI_EmeraldApple She's supposed to be shiny in that shot and it's the path tracing that misses that. x.com/analistadebits…

@AncientGameplay @AI_EmeraldApple Even in that shot: human skin is not shiny like that unless it's humid, sweaty, or has makeup for that effect. Not even with strong and high-contrast light. That's why people call it an Instagram beautifier filter. This result is not justified by better light+materials rendering.

DLSS 5 looks great. IDK what all of you AI haters are thinking.

@00yisan @AutismCapital They already said the plan is to have it run on one GPU by the time it comes out. And that's why I'm talking about the barrier to entry coming down over time... Like how you can get a GPU with the power of a 3090 for $500 now instead of $1500 like it was at launch.

@shadowstripes @AutismCapital bitch, look up the price of 2 rtx 5090 and 128 gb of ddr 5 ram. do you think anyone would spend that kind of resource only to be served what is basically a frame slop?

Digital Foundry was super excited about the DLSS 5 announcement (because it was awesome) so they published a "FIRST LOOK" showing it off and praising it. Then the angry anti-AI mob came for them and ripped them apart and they got bullied into backpedalling. "We should have waited before posting our first round of coverage. We should have waited to see reactions from the audience." Translation: "We should have waited to see what the consensus mob opinion was before we posted our own individual thoughts." This is the reason why games suck these days. The mob bullies people into groupthink. People get so scared of giving their take they wait until the "Consensus approved opinion™️" is formed before they speak. Nobody wants to risk having the first/independent thought and risk being yelled at by the angry mob. It's super unfortunate, and the backpedalling here makes it worse because it signals cowardice and the majority of the mob doesn't care anyways, they'll find a new thing to hate.